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runawayprisoner · May 11th, 2012, 19:38

That's actually what I don't get. We get that you hate the company, but the gadget has nothing to do with the company itself.

It's just a product made by engineers who happen to be employed by the company.

By that standard, if I hated your employer, then should I also not consider your work as well? I don't think it works that way.

As an aside, while we know you hate the company, I don't think that random guy knows.

**@ruantec** · May 11th, 2012, 20:05

The thing is the ASUS Transformer in my eyes is > than the iPad 1. Also yeah i hate the fruit company but that do not stop me from buying or getting one of there products. Remember i'm a iPad 2 owner myself. The thing is i felt offended and couldn't understand how someone could come to the silly idea to offer me an iPad 1 in exchange for my for my ASUS Transformer 32GB... and to complete the combo a product i personally do not like. In case you don't remember i own an iPad 2 because i got it for free otherwise i would never come to the idea to spend a dollar for an iPad. Did the engineers did a good job with the iPad??? yes they did and i recognize there hard word and quality but i just don't like it... obviously since i'm a Apple hater people tend to believe is because i hate Apple but i just don't like the overal design that is

Jailbreak??? yes, is awesome but you have the same sh!t over and over... a simple un-wanted update made by someone else in your home and you have to deal with the thing over and over or wait for the new one to come out... i got tired of that with my iPhone and PS3.

Simplier now???

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runawayprisoner · May 11th, 2012, 20:42

Well, then like I said, it's your personal bias that comes in play in the end.

That's what we have been trying to say. You limit your judgment and experience simply because you hate a company. It's your choice, I guess, but I think you can learn a thing or two by exploring and experiencing the company you hate.

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But enough of that. Looks like Apple is going to drop Google Maps for iOS 6. They seem to be prepping up a 3-D navigational global map system that will make Google Maps look like last-gen stuff.

Pretty exciting, but I sincerely don't see how they can get 3-D maps to work that well, unless they were somehow able to beat the unmanned vehicles Google deploys around here daily...

Also on that note, I hope iOS 6 finally brings multi-user and a central document hub (My Documents folder) to the table. Apple has been targeting the Enterprise and Business space pretty aggressive lately, and I think multi-user + central document hub might just be their ticket.

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Lasnap · May 11th, 2012, 21:16

On the notion of the nexus tablet its sopose to be int he works by ASUS who seem to be on the ball lately with their designs over anyone else with the transfor line of devices and the new padphone setup as well. So if they bring that concept to the Nexus along with their quick response to get the latest version of android out to their devices I think we could have a winner and apparently google is looking for a price tag of around $150-$250 for the nexus tablet so that will be perfect for people as well.

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runawayprisoner · May 13th, 2012, 20:22

And looks like there may be a $250 7.85" iPad (with Retina Display), which, in my opinions, will seriously eat into sales of any tablet underneath.

Even with blooming 7" sales, Android is barely taking away any tablet marketshare from iPad. Imagine a cheaper and smaller iPad...

Lasnap · May 13th, 2012, 20:28

Im just glad to see that the average price of tablets is falling year by year and with companies like google, amazon, B&N, and others putting devices out with a price tag under $300 I see the tablet market growing much larger as it is already. And these prices are off contract prices. I dont mind having a wifi only device.

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**@ruantec** · May 13th, 2012, 20:29

Ah!!! the enemy is planning a iChiquita...

On a more serious note... why a smaller iPad??? for that money i can get a decent Android tablet and not a half-baked one

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runawayprisoner · May 13th, 2012, 20:48

7.85" allows for a DPI of 330, which matches with the iPhone 4, and will also bring all user interface elements to the same physical size as that of the iPhone 4 due to the matched DPI scaling.

As an aside, you can't get any half-decent Android tablet for $250. Or at least you'll always lose out on silly things... like... say, a light sensor for instance.

Even the famed Kindle Fire is having some issues getting ICS to run right. You literally don't have sleep function or sleep is erratic, so the tablet won't last longer than 7-8 hours even if you don't do anything on it. There is also no brightness sensor so every time you switch between environments, you'll have to go inside settings and set the brightness up or down. Last but not least, not everything works right yet, so Netflix and Youtube or Flash don't work at half their intended capacity.

About the only devices that work right with ICS right now are devices that came with it, namely... Galaxy Nexus, Samsung SGSIII (not on the market yet?), HTC One X, and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1", which is retailing against the "new" iPad 2 with revised 32nm A5 SoC at $399.

But the "new" iPad 2 is a much better value because the revised 32nm A5 chip performs the same but runs a lot cooler and more energy efficient (you can get up to an additional 2 hours of battery life).

**@ruantec** · May 14th, 2012, 07:34

Ah... thank you for the information... seems like another product i'm going to avoid as is just a bigger iPhone 4 in a smaller tablet format.

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On a more serious note... That may be a oportunity for those who like the iPad to get there hands in one of those devices. Also for cars may be usable as audio player etc.

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runawayprisoner · May 14th, 2012, 08:44

For audio playback, the iPad forever holds a monopoly over other tablets if for nothing but the fact that it has a gazillion audio accessories that connect to it through the famed dock connector, and that for one reason or another, the audiophile (read: avid high quality audio lovers) community loves Apple swags.

And an iPhone 4 in tablet form factor is not necessarily that bad a thing. It's pretty amazing that the formula is still outselling the competition with supposedly "more freedom", and "more powerful" offerings.

But I still concur that my HP Slate is better than an iPad. Though, the amount of work that I needed to put in (tweaks, optimization, slimming, scour for ultra-rare pieces of software, etc...) has amounted to some serious pile that I could even write a whole book on. But at least now I can tell that it's possible to tweak vanilla Windows 7 on a device like this and make it pretty comparable to an iPad... for the most part. And obviously no Android tablet is comparable.

As an aside, pitted Windows 8 against Windows 7 on this device, since I couldn't resist the thought.

End result? I'll be EXTRA LENIENT and say that... I think Microsoft still needs to work on Win 8 a bit more (read: I think they need to write a whole new OS from scratch). It's pretty bad that history is now repeating itself. I never got Win 7 to run faster than a highly optimized XP, and now... I could not get Win 8 to run faster than a highly optimized 7.

**@ruantec** · May 14th, 2012, 08:47

Microsoft need to work a lot more on Win8 to be more usable. Still i guess you finally got my point about x86 tablets and why they are very usable

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runawayprisoner · May 14th, 2012, 13:46

It's a $800 friggin' computer. I'd expect it to work somewhat well at that price point, wouldn't you think?

It's a second generation tab with an improved touch panel and a faster SSD. If I didn't know better, I would say... any worse and it wouldn't be usable... at all.

And it required a lot of tweaks. By that, I seriously mean... a LOT.

If it was someone else, I don't doubt they would have gotten frustrated and quit using it altogether after a while. It could be that frustrating.

And even after going through all that, it's still lagging behind iPad in some areas.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 14th, 2012, 14:11

I must be one of the only people in the world that actually enjoys tweaking stuff. Nothing more satisfying that winning a fight against a stubborn piece of software that didn't want to work right.
Granted I'm no linux level masochist, but I'd pick something thats's inadequate out of the box but can be tweaked exactly (or at least much closer to it) to my liking over something that's pretty good out of the box but not completely what I want with not much room to tweak any day.

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Samor · May 14th, 2012, 14:52

there's at least one more like that =P

**@ruantec** · May 14th, 2012, 14:54

One more actually

I personally like to toy a lot with my hardware and not just something that "Work" out of the box hence why i prefer x86 tablets over the iPad. On the other side... i wonder how would the iPad perform if it were loaded with all the stuff a x86 gets once Windows is installed... i personally doubt it would be that smooth.

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runawayprisoner · May 14th, 2012, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

I must be one of the only people in the world that actually enjoys tweaking stuff. Nothing more satisfying that winning a fight against a stubborn piece of software that didn't want to work right.
Granted I'm no linux level masochist, but I'd pick something thats's inadequate out of the box but can be tweaked exactly (or at least much closer to it) to my liking over something that's pretty good out of the box but not completely what I want with not much room to tweak any day.

It's a matter of whether you want to tweak for both performance and features, or if you just want to tweak for features.

It seems like there is a misconception that Apple iOS devices are limited, but that's not the case in reality.

I am not one to shy away from tweaking, by the way. And when I say "a LOT of tweaking", it usually means beyond your typical Linux masochist. It literally means I'm on the verge of reverse-engineering some default applications so that I could rewrite them in a more efficient manner. That's the kind of "tweak" I am thinking about. And that's after overstocking and other jazz being inadequate to fix the issue.

As an aside, @ruantec, you CAN control what gets loaded on iOS on startup (easier than rooting Android), and trust me when I say this: there is a hell of a lot more to load than a default Windows install. The reason the iPad stays smooth is due to, again, the god-like optimization done by the engineering team. They have more or less mastered the art of deferring screen operations to the GPU.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 14th, 2012, 21:17

Oh wow ok didn't know it was that bad. What are you having so much trouble with? I've never experienced that need or want in Windows since usually if there's one program that sucks there are 10 more to take it's place.

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runawayprisoner · May 15th, 2012, 01:47

Well, for one, browsers don't support pinch to zoom to arbitrary levels, so the browsing experience is significantly hampered compared to the iPad even though pages load quicker in general. Also there is no adequate hardware acceleration, so some pages are sluggish to a crawl compared to smooth sailing on the iPad.

Digitizer palm rejection bugs up pen input, so occasionally, I can't write or draw on certain regions of the screen until I lift my hand up and set it down again.

Touch panel responsiveness is definitely up to par from my testing, but there is no on-screen keyboard that is responsive enough for my hands. And as a side note, I can get 72WPM on the iPad, so I guess I am kind of a bit too much sometimes, but still, no excuse. The hardware is capable.

Graphics driver bugs and glitches are insolvent. If they fixed the drivers, a lot of things would run significantly smoother. As it is, it's between a very good Android tablet and an iPad. Closer to Android than to iPad.

Some controls aren't touch-enabled, so I still have to glide the scrollbar with those.

The problem is that... touch panning (finger drag) is also registered as a scrollwheel (seriously!) so it'll either register a drag or a scroll or even both sometimes, which is annoying.

Edge of screen is pretty hard to touch since the touchscreen doesn't want to register anything along the edge.

No "quick wake" or "deep sleep", so I have to keep the device running but screen off, or wait 2 seconds to wake each time. Talking about which, power button is too close to orientation lock, so if I wasn't careful, unlocking would also put the device to sleep.

Screen isn't IPS so viewing angle is poor. Worse yet, Windows ClearType doesn't render fonts with respect to screen orientation, so if I turn the tablet upside down, texts suddenly become fuzzy and almost unreadable in some cases.

Last but not least, there isn't a half decent dedicated calendar application like iCal. The only choice I have seen thus far is Mozilla Sunbird.

**@ruantec** · May 15th, 2012, 07:20

I personally think you're expecting too much from a OS that wasn't designed for tablets but more for a desktop enviroment. You seem to constantly have the iPad in your mind and keep comparing it which to my opinion isn't necessary. Focus on what you got and forget the rest...

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 15th, 2012, 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, for one, browsers don't support pinch to zoom to arbitrary levels, so the browsing experience is significantly hampered compared to the iPad even though pages load quicker in general. Also there is no adequate hardware acceleration, so some pages are sluggish to a crawl compared to smooth sailing on the iPad.

Digitizer palm rejection bugs up pen input, so occasionally, I can't write or draw on certain regions of the screen until I lift my hand up and set it down again.

Touch panel responsiveness is definitely up to par from my testing, but there is no on-screen keyboard that is responsive enough for my hands. And as a side note, I can get 72WPM on the iPad, so I guess I am kind of a bit too much sometimes, but still, no excuse. The hardware is capable.

Graphics driver bugs and glitches are insolvent. If they fixed the drivers, a lot of things would run significantly smoother. As it is, it's between a very good Android tablet and an iPad. Closer to Android than to iPad.

Some controls aren't touch-enabled, so I still have to glide the scrollbar with those.

The problem is that... touch panning (finger drag) is also registered as a scrollwheel (seriously!) so it'll either register a drag or a scroll or even both sometimes, which is annoying.

Edge of screen is pretty hard to touch since the touchscreen doesn't want to register anything along the edge.

No "quick wake" or "deep sleep", so I have to keep the device running but screen off, or wait 2 seconds to wake each time. Talking about which, power button is too close to orientation lock, so if I wasn't careful, unlocking would also put the device to sleep.

Screen isn't IPS so viewing angle is poor. Worse yet, Windows ClearType doesn't render fonts with respect to screen orientation, so if I turn the tablet upside down, texts suddenly become fuzzy and almost unreadable in some cases.

Last but not least, there isn't a half decent dedicated calendar application like iCal. The only choice I have seen thus far is Mozilla Sunbird.

Ah so basically mostly touch stuff, that would explain why I've never had the same frustration.

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May 11th, 2012, 19:38	#1921
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	That's actually what I don't get. We get that you hate the company, but the gadget has nothing to do with the company itself. It's just a product made by engineers who happen to be employed by the company. By that standard, if I hated your employer, then should I also not consider your work as well? I don't think it works that way. As an aside, while we know you hate the company, I don't think that random guy knows.

May 11th, 2012, 20:05	#1922
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,282	The thing is the ASUS Transformer in my eyes is > than the iPad 1. Also yeah i hate the fruit company but that do not stop me from buying or getting one of there products. Remember i'm a iPad 2 owner myself. The thing is i felt offended and couldn't understand how someone could come to the silly idea to offer me an iPad 1 in exchange for my for my ASUS Transformer 32GB... and to complete the combo a product i personally do not like. In case you don't remember i own an iPad 2 because i got it for free otherwise i would never come to the idea to spend a dollar for an iPad. Did the engineers did a good job with the iPad??? yes they did and i recognize there hard word and quality but i just don't like it... obviously since i'm a Apple hater people tend to believe is because i hate Apple but i just don't like the overal design that is Jailbreak??? yes, is awesome but you have the same sh!t over and over... a simple un-wanted update made by someone else in your home and you have to deal with the thing over and over or wait for the new one to come out... i got tired of that with my iPhone and PS3. Simplier now??? __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6 Last edited by @ruantec; May 11th, 2012 at 20:18..

May 11th, 2012, 20:42	#1923
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Well, then like I said, it's your personal bias that comes in play in the end. That's what we have been trying to say. You limit your judgment and experience simply because you hate a company. It's your choice, I guess, but I think you can learn a thing or two by exploring and experiencing the company you hate. ---------- But enough of that. Looks like Apple is going to drop Google Maps for iOS 6. They seem to be prepping up a 3-D navigational global map system that will make Google Maps look like last-gen stuff. Pretty exciting, but I sincerely don't see how they can get 3-D maps to work that well, unless they were somehow able to beat the unmanned vehicles Google deploys around here daily... Also on that note, I hope iOS 6 finally brings multi-user and a central document hub (My Documents folder) to the table. Apple has been targeting the Enterprise and Business space pretty aggressive lately, and I think multi-user + central document hub might just be their ticket. Last edited by runawayprisoner; May 11th, 2012 at 20:47..

May 11th, 2012, 21:16	#1924
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,914	On the notion of the nexus tablet its sopose to be int he works by ASUS who seem to be on the ball lately with their designs over anyone else with the transfor line of devices and the new padphone setup as well. So if they bring that concept to the Nexus along with their quick response to get the latest version of android out to their devices I think we could have a winner and apparently google is looking for a price tag of around $150-$250 for the nexus tablet so that will be perfect for people as well. __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!

May 13th, 2012, 20:22	#1925
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	And looks like there may be a $250 7.85" iPad (with Retina Display), which, in my opinions, will seriously eat into sales of any tablet underneath. Even with blooming 7" sales, Android is barely taking away any tablet marketshare from iPad. Imagine a cheaper and smaller iPad...

May 13th, 2012, 20:28	#1926
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,914	Im just glad to see that the average price of tablets is falling year by year and with companies like google, amazon, B&N, and others putting devices out with a price tag under $300 I see the tablet market growing much larger as it is already. And these prices are off contract prices. I dont mind having a wifi only device. __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!

May 13th, 2012, 20:29	#1927
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,282	Ah!!! the enemy is planning a iChiquita... On a more serious note... why a smaller iPad??? for that money i can get a decent Android tablet and not a half-baked one __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 13th, 2012, 20:48	#1928
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	7.85" allows for a DPI of 330, which matches with the iPhone 4, and will also bring all user interface elements to the same physical size as that of the iPhone 4 due to the matched DPI scaling. As an aside, you can't get any half-decent Android tablet for $250. Or at least you'll always lose out on silly things... like... say, a light sensor for instance. Even the famed Kindle Fire is having some issues getting ICS to run right. You literally don't have sleep function or sleep is erratic, so the tablet won't last longer than 7-8 hours even if you don't do anything on it. There is also no brightness sensor so every time you switch between environments, you'll have to go inside settings and set the brightness up or down. Last but not least, not everything works right yet, so Netflix and Youtube or Flash don't work at half their intended capacity. About the only devices that work right with ICS right now are devices that came with it, namely... Galaxy Nexus, Samsung SGSIII (not on the market yet?), HTC One X, and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1", which is retailing against the "new" iPad 2 with revised 32nm A5 SoC at $399. But the "new" iPad 2 is a much better value because the revised 32nm A5 chip performs the same but runs a lot cooler and more energy efficient (you can get up to an additional 2 hours of battery life).

May 14th, 2012, 07:34	#1929
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,282	Ah... thank you for the information... seems like another product i'm going to avoid as is just a bigger iPhone 4 in a smaller tablet format. The enemy is just awesome... it never fails to dissapoint me --------------------------------------------------------------------- On a more serious note... That may be a oportunity for those who like the iPad to get there hands in one of those devices. Also for cars may be usable as audio player etc. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 14th, 2012, 08:44	#1930
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	For audio playback, the iPad forever holds a monopoly over other tablets if for nothing but the fact that it has a gazillion audio accessories that connect to it through the famed dock connector, and that for one reason or another, the audiophile (read: avid high quality audio lovers) community loves Apple swags. And an iPhone 4 in tablet form factor is not necessarily that bad a thing. It's pretty amazing that the formula is still outselling the competition with supposedly "more freedom", and "more powerful" offerings. But I still concur that my HP Slate is better than an iPad. Though, the amount of work that I needed to put in (tweaks, optimization, slimming, scour for ultra-rare pieces of software, etc...) has amounted to some serious pile that I could even write a whole book on. But at least now I can tell that it's possible to tweak vanilla Windows 7 on a device like this and make it pretty comparable to an iPad... for the most part. And obviously no Android tablet is comparable. As an aside, pitted Windows 8 against Windows 7 on this device, since I couldn't resist the thought. End result? I'll be EXTRA LENIENT and say that... I think Microsoft still needs to work on Win 8 a bit more (read: I think they need to write a whole new OS from scratch). It's pretty bad that history is now repeating itself. I never got Win 7 to run faster than a highly optimized XP, and now... I could not get Win 8 to run faster than a highly optimized 7.

May 14th, 2012, 08:47	#1931
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,282	Microsoft need to work a lot more on Win8 to be more usable. Still i guess you finally got my point about x86 tablets and why they are very usable __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 14th, 2012, 13:46	#1932
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	It's a $800 friggin' computer. I'd expect it to work somewhat well at that price point, wouldn't you think? It's a second generation tab with an improved touch panel and a faster SSD. If I didn't know better, I would say... any worse and it wouldn't be usable... at all. And it required a lot of tweaks. By that, I seriously mean... a LOT. If it was someone else, I don't doubt they would have gotten frustrated and quit using it altogether after a while. It could be that frustrating. And even after going through all that, it's still lagging behind iPad in some areas.

May 14th, 2012, 14:11	#1933
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,660	I must be one of the only people in the world that actually enjoys tweaking stuff. Nothing more satisfying that winning a fight against a stubborn piece of software that didn't want to work right. Granted I'm no linux level masochist, but I'd pick something thats's inadequate out of the box but can be tweaked exactly (or at least much closer to it) to my liking over something that's pretty good out of the box but not completely what I want with not much room to tweak any day. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 14th, 2012, 14:52	#1934
Samor crill stazy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NL Posts: 7,661	there's at least one more like that =P

May 14th, 2012, 14:54	#1935
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,282	One more actually I personally like to toy a lot with my hardware and not just something that "Work" out of the box hence why i prefer x86 tablets over the iPad. On the other side... i wonder how would the iPad perform if it were loaded with all the stuff a x86 gets once Windows is installed... i personally doubt it would be that smooth. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 14th, 2012, 21:17	#1937
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,660	Oh wow ok didn't know it was that bad. What are you having so much trouble with? I've never experienced that need or want in Windows since usually if there's one program that sucks there are 10 more to take it's place. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 15th, 2012, 01:47	#1938
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Well, for one, browsers don't support pinch to zoom to arbitrary levels, so the browsing experience is significantly hampered compared to the iPad even though pages load quicker in general. Also there is no adequate hardware acceleration, so some pages are sluggish to a crawl compared to smooth sailing on the iPad. Digitizer palm rejection bugs up pen input, so occasionally, I can't write or draw on certain regions of the screen until I lift my hand up and set it down again. Touch panel responsiveness is definitely up to par from my testing, but there is no on-screen keyboard that is responsive enough for my hands. And as a side note, I can get 72WPM on the iPad, so I guess I am kind of a bit too much sometimes, but still, no excuse. The hardware is capable. Graphics driver bugs and glitches are insolvent. If they fixed the drivers, a lot of things would run significantly smoother. As it is, it's between a very good Android tablet and an iPad. Closer to Android than to iPad. Some controls aren't touch-enabled, so I still have to glide the scrollbar with those. The problem is that... touch panning (finger drag) is also registered as a scrollwheel (seriously!) so it'll either register a drag or a scroll or even both sometimes, which is annoying. Edge of screen is pretty hard to touch since the touchscreen doesn't want to register anything along the edge. No "quick wake" or "deep sleep", so I have to keep the device running but screen off, or wait 2 seconds to wake each time. Talking about which, power button is too close to orientation lock, so if I wasn't careful, unlocking would also put the device to sleep. Screen isn't IPS so viewing angle is poor. Worse yet, Windows ClearType doesn't render fonts with respect to screen orientation, so if I turn the tablet upside down, texts suddenly become fuzzy and almost unreadable in some cases. Last but not least, there isn't a half decent dedicated calendar application like iCal. The only choice I have seen thus far is Mozilla Sunbird.

May 15th, 2012, 07:20	#1939
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,282	I personally think you're expecting too much from a OS that wasn't designed for tablets but more for a desktop enviroment. You seem to constantly have the iPad in your mind and keep comparing it which to my opinion isn't necessary. Focus on what you got and forget the rest... __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6