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[@ruantec]

You make it look like the device get as hot as grill pan with your words tho. we both know that isn't true. I'm really thinking on buying one but the price is way too high for a tablet in my opinion... not that i can't buy it tho. as i could buy 10, 20 or more units if i wish to as money isn't really a problem for me right now. The price tag is just too high i consider and i refuse to pay that amount of money for a tablet atm which is the only thing holding me back of taking my car keys and picking up a unit. However the Samsung Series 7 is just an awesome piece of hardware and is quite tempting to say the least.

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[runawayprisoner]

Well, it actually does get that hot. I got to play with one before, and if you plan on decoding video in software or play Diablo 3 or anything that would tax the CPU or GPU even just slightly, it'll get extremely hot. I checked the temp one time and it can get to 80C under load. Not to even mention the fan noise there.

But if you do adblock and don't play a lot of Flash videos in the browser, then it's not bad for web browsing.

That's the reason I have the HP Slate 2 instead of the Slate 7. Slate 7 is heavier, hotter, and it gets less battery life. For all intents and purposes, the Slate 2 is just my secondary device, so I only need it to be able to do some tasks right.

But I still think of the Slate 7 as being the best tablet because the responsiveness and smoothness are up to iPad level while offering a full computing experience.

[@ruantec]

I see... i don't know about your definition of "HOT" but is not like you're holding its internal CPU... also i managed to get my hands on it for several hours and i did push it to the extreme with videos and other stuff and apart from getting slightly hot and a very small fan noise it wasn't really that hot or loud as people make it look. Maybe is just me but i can perfectly live with those levels as they don't bother me... still i can't understand why people are that picky... are our ears and hands that sensitive nowdays? if that's the case then i'm very happy mine aren't

I personally hate this new trend that made people that picky where things must be smaller, lighter, almost neverending battery life and as a drawback easily breakable... where are the awesome good old days when people could throw there devices around the place without the need to put there hands in there heads and pray that there devices are still in one piece? seriously... while devices are getting better and more confortable nowdays for good... the trend is just getting ridiculous if you ask me.

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[runawayprisoner]

Thing is... I'm sure that if you were to throw them both around, I'm sure the iPad 3 would survive far easier than the Samsung Slate 7.

It's not the trend that's bad. It's that hardware is stagnant. x86 hasn't had a breakthrough in a long while, and Windows has not yet been optimized, so we are stuck with dinosaurs of computers that are slow, big, unwieldy, and run extremely hot. Thin, light, long battery life gadgets have always been the dream and goal of computing. I'm sure Bill Gates would say the same thing to you if you were to ask him.

But I'd guess the way you stressed the Slate 7 was different. I pushed the damn thing to edges with VLC decoding and encoding 4K video in software, and tried to run StarCraft 2 on it as well.

You are right. I didn't hold the thing by the CPU, but the fan was jet loud at that point, and the surface area near the CPU was exceeding 60+ degrees Celsius since the tablet was so thin.

If you are just watching some 1080p videos decoded in hardware and so on, or browsing the web with adblock on, like I said, it should be peppy, and it shouldn't even break a sweat. But I'm not that "light" a computer user. I press PCSX2 on laptops for breakfast.

That's also why I regard anything under a Sandy Bridge quad a mere toy (a.k.a. on the same level as an iPad or iPhone) simply because what I do would make them all explode into a million pieces or overheat and melt.

That's the difference between us. You try to justify these devices and use them as your main devices, but... I don't. I use beastly computers that far surpass these things as my main devices, and then I use these things pretty much like a glorified 2012 PSP or DS. In my eyes, a Windows 7 tablet or iPad wouldn't make a difference if I can't do serious AutoCAD works, PCSX2, 4K video, or Xcode on them.

Also to say, a whole CAD building couldn't survive on the Slate 7. It lagged and eventually crashed because there wasn't enough memory/computational power to manipulate the model.

[@ruantec]

The thing is you're talking about tasks you usually NEVER do on one of those popular tablets... when do you use VLC decoding and encoding 4K video in software or try to run StarCraft 2 on the iPad or a Android tablet???? oh, wait.... you can't sure is your HP tablet not as hot but the difference is unlike the Samsung Slate 7 your HP tablet doesn't have a beast of a CPU which makes the difference. Also you seem to completely forget you're holding a REAL PC in tablet format which is nothing but awesome and enough reason to jump for joy. That is what i've been trying to explain... i completely understand that it gets slightly warm or a bit of noise comes from the fan and all that because i keep a realistic view of thing as i'm holding a real device and not a toy so it makes perfect sense to me.

You're talking about how hot a CPU goes by pushing it to the limit or how impossible it is to load a super heavy CAD model which are tasks you usually don't do on a tablet anyways. The only reason you do that is because you CAN and that is exactly the reason why i love x86 tablets as they don't limit you. Still i believe you put things way out of proportion on porpuse just to find something negative to talk about... things that you wouldn't do on other tablets anyways and also things 90% of the people out there that use tablets won't do either.

... and no, i don't use my tablet as my main device. As i explained in the Windows 8 thread all i want is a powerful tablet that allows me to do exactly what i want to do on a tablet and that's no other than run @ES the way i expect it to run. As of now the Samsung Series 7 is the only tablet on the market that seems to be powerful enough to fit my needs. However is not like i will use a Samsung tablet to develope apps or do anything other than surf or run @ES interface on it to watch videos, listen music, play emulated games or use it as a media player for my car. If i need to do a super heavy task or play super advanced PC games then i use my main PC for that.

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[runawayprisoner]

I would WANT to do 4K video on the iPad because the resolution of the display is enough for the task. Why run a 1080p video on a 2048 x 1536 screen?

And I would WANT to be able to present a heavy CAD model.

Both of those tasks are possible on the iPad or on Android tablets using a VLC or remote desktop software like Splashtop. But there is no nice tablet remote desktop software available for a Windows tablet, and running such things remotely is obviously way too much for the hardware.

Same thing for StarCraft 2 or Diablo 3. I'd be able to run them on the iPad or any Android tablet just fine with remote desktop. Of course, the downside is that I have to be on the same local network for okay performance, but... it's the same thing for a Windows tablet since I'll have to keep the damn thing plugged in most of the time anyway, and the heat would still be unbearable.

I'm not saying, though, that tablet PCs are out. I run Photoshop on my HP Slate 2, and there is no way I'll trade the HP Slate 2 for the iPad or Android for those tasks.

But what I have been trying to say is that iPad and Android tablets have some advantages of their own, and Windows Tablet PCs have some advantages of their own. There really is no one-size-fits-all solution right now, and it's silly to say that one solution is superior to the other due to your personal preference.

[@ruantec]

You're aware that using remote desktop is cheating right?? you're not running it in those machines at all

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[runawayprisoner]

Nope. It's not cheating if it's a legitimate solution.

And I do actually run remote desktop whenever possible. I even use the HP Slate 2 to SSH into my MBP because the HP Slate 2 is not fast enough for some computing tasks, plus I absolutely hate the command prompt on Windows. (also SSH allows me to keep all programming projects on the MBP)

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

It's cheating RAP, because you're actually using another device's power. A device's power is gauged by what it can run natively, not by what some other much stronger device can stream to it.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

It's cheating RAP, because you're actually using another device's power. A device's power is gauged by what it can run natively, not by what some other much stronger device can stream to it.

But it was never about the device's power. We're talking about its usefulness as a device to accomplish tasks, right?

A tablet + a remote server running a desktop OS can achieve a lot of things that a standalone Windows tablet can never achieve. That's what cloud-computing is all about. You leave the heavy lifting to monstrous computers, and you just do interfacing on a low-powered device that can last forever.

It's the same principle with the internet. You access Google on a slower computer so that Google's monstrous clusters of servers can query billions of web addresses in a split second to give you the result you want. It was never the capability of your computer to begin with. It was Google's. But hey, your computer can "access Google", so it's still "useful".

On the same topic, my current HTC One X + remote desktop = one heck of a handheld device. It's barely larger than an iPhone but the screen is really large and very useful!

[Lasnap]

With running a DLNA server on my pc and a DLNA client on my Tablet the tablet still has to render the full 720p video so my device has to be powerful enough for that which in most cases it is. It lags on some things but doesnt do to bad with 720p or less. My tablet comes in handy when I wanna lay in bed and either read or watch a video. I also use it when I am off fixing someones pc and I cant get internet working or the pc is so bad that internet is usless for me so I look things up on the tablet in that case.

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[Silenus]

I think I may need to make an Ultrabook thread.

Now what the hell is Asus thinking.

They are like "Why Not"

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[@ruantec]

WTF???? is Asus drunk or something???? WTH is that? are companies running out of ideas this days or what?

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[Silenus]

Asus bought a BUNCH of 1920x1080 IPS screens and is stuffing it on eveything they can.

All their new Zenbook primes have that screen.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

WTF???? is Asus drunk or something???? WTH is that? are companies running out of ideas this days or what?

News flash: hey, Apple still makes sensible designs.

But joking aside, they might just be running out of ideas like you said. And that's exactly why Apple is effortlessly being served the entire industry.

I said a few months ago (last year, even) that nobody was trying. And it seems like they still aren't trying.

[@ruantec]

Yes, i admit the enemy got some nice ideas a while ago but since the ipad 3 release i started to realize that they are running out of ideas as well and just like any other company pushing better hardware instead of new ideas.

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[runawayprisoner]

Nope, Apple never had any nice idea. It's just that nobody else had any idea at all. That's what I have been trying to say.

Apple is not doing better. Everyone else is doing worse.

[imlost]

I'm more interested into seeing how this will turn out if it is true:

ASUS teasing dual-boot Windows/Android tablet? [video]

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[@ruantec]

Very interesting.... would love to see how it turns out.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

Very interesting.... would love to see how it turns out.

Probably won't get any better than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67nH489rrU

Nice novelty, but most people would end up running to Windows most of the time.