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runawayprisoner · May 25th, 2012, 21:04

I think I'll rest the case there. We'll see when official data is released.

But I'm calling it either foul move by retailers/carriers to drum up customers' interest or just some random news from a Korean tabloid.

Like you have probably realized. There is almost no reason why the S3 should be more popular than devices like the One X or One S. In fact, I'd even argue that it doesn't seem all that much better than the Galaxy Note either.

But what better way to attract more customers than starting a rumor that there's 9M pre-orders? In that case, it's Samsung themselves drumming this up to get customers' attention.

**@ruantec** · May 26th, 2012, 11:20

starting a rumor??? don't get me wrong but i doubt the news was a rumor... still nothing compared to "Oh sh!t, the iPhone X got stolen somewhere in the USA" OMG, OMG, OMG! such strategies are nothing but cheap if you ask me. I doubt Samsung has anything to do with the news tho.

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**Demigod** · May 26th, 2012, 15:38

If it was a rumor then it would have been a remarkable feat of coordination and cooperation between Samsung and the many thousands of retailers worldwide, many of whom have confirmed these numbers. It's like everyone just goes along with Samsung's deception, with no one having the balls to call Samsung's bluff, and at the risk of incurring the wrath of Apple (the Samsung conspiracy?

). I somehow doubt that Samsung has the leverage to put such pressure upon retailers/carriers (the way the S2 was delayed in the US for so long because of the US carriers shows that they are not ones to be pushed around by Samsung).

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runawayprisoner · May 26th, 2012, 16:22

I don't think anyone has outright "confirmed" these numbers per se. If you do know an article that does claim that, I'd love to read it.

All I have been reading up until now is that Galaxy S3 is either the most pre-ordered device of 2012 or the most pre-ordered Android device, which is obviously cleverly worded to avoid conflict with iPhone 4S, though it does show some major difference compared to devices like the One X.

The reason why no one has called this a bluff is because they are all waiting for this to blow over after the device has been released and see if the actual sales data match.

Seriously, though, it's not because I like Apple that I'm calling this a bluff but more to the fact that it was published from some unknown Korean news source (strike 1), and from the words of mouth of an "unnamed Samsung executive" (strike 2), plus this is showing stark contrast to comparable devices like the HTC One X, which is actually regarded by many as the better device (strike 3).

So given all those facts, I'm skeptical of the credibility of the story. And the fact that no one can confirm it just makes it all the more suspicious.

At the end of the day, Samsung can just pay off carriers to make up that number, then when actual orders don't match, all they have to do is say that they didn't say it. Meanwhile, since no carrier has actually confirmed it, they all can just dismiss it as a hype rumor started by some Korean tabloid trying to grab page view. It's all too convenient.

The benefits are obvious: Samsung and carriers get to show off the "demand" for a product that's about to be released. If more people buy the device, it's only better for Samsung and carriers.

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cognositivo · May 26th, 2012, 16:39

Once again. Why is so important that the phone that YOU like has to be the most popular? Are you sure that the most popular product is the best product? Let's choose another categories and see what are the best book, film or song according with this logic.

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ViperXtreme · May 27th, 2012, 01:33

lol

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runawayprisoner · May 30th, 2012, 23:30

lol indeed.

I'm still waiting to see what the final "sale figure" would be like for the SGS3. From reading reviews, it doesn't look too stellar.

**@ruantec** · May 30th, 2012, 23:31

At the end is going to be like my current wallpapers show...

Or like...

men... i love those wallpapers XD

oh, and the lyrics of that song its perfectly

Quote:

I found the center of fruit is late,
Is the center of truth today,
I cut the apple in two,
Oh, I pray it isn't true,

I've got something you can never eat,
I've got something you can never eat,
I've got something you can never eat,
I've got something you can never eat
....

On a more serious note... i saw some videos of the phone and the S3 seems to be a beast not just hardware-wise but also software-wise so i guess is going to be a huge success and a serious competition for the enemy.

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runawayprisoner · May 30th, 2012, 23:41

Not much of a point to those, really.

I was never bothered by who would outsell Apple. But I was extremely bothered by those high "pre-order" numbers. It seems too good to be true.

**@ruantec** · May 30th, 2012, 23:46

I personally don't see a reason why those pre-orders should not be truth hence why i could not understand why you was/are so skeptical. The thing is... the enemy is slow down with the iPhone and putting too much focus in the iPad while Samsung is getting insanely popular and better... i remember how much i hated Samsung phones many years ago as they were not robust enough and full of plastic... yet when i see the build quality of the S3 i realize is totally different now.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 30th, 2012, 23:50

I'd love to see Apple be beaten...but I can't help but side with RAP on this one....there has to be some sort of bolstering in a number that much bigger than the one Apple posted. To me the S3 isn't so much better than current droids to post a number that much bigger than the device thousands of mindless sheep purchase without a second thought. You can't tell me the world magically spawned that many intelligent people in just a few months.

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**@ruantec** · May 30th, 2012, 23:52

If i'm not mistaken the european version of the S3 is better while the US version is as good as the S2. I remember reading something about it but i'm not sure.

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runawayprisoner · May 31st, 2012, 00:03

Well, like I kept mentioning, the numbers came from a no-name Korean tabloid source, and to add more salt, they even mentioned that it came from an "unnamed" Samsung executive. If that's not material to throw in the "rumor" bin, I don't know what is.

That and it doesn't add up when you'd consider that the SGS3 isn't that much better than comparable Droid devices like the HTC One X or One S.

Also considering the SGS3 costs an arm and a leg compared to the previous generation now, it makes no sense that suddenly there are 9M people in the world willing to pay $650 (read: more than an iPad) plus tax (not to mention it's 1.5x higher in Europe) for it.

It just doesn't add up even if you take Apple out of the picture altogether. What exactly makes this device over 8 million units in sales better than the HTC One X or One S?

And yea, your reading was right. To be more precise, the SGS3 models with LTE all use Qualcomm Snapdragon chips or something, so they're about on par with HTC One X in raw performance, but they should be far faster than SGS2 since Snapdragon 4 is closer to ARM Cortex A15 performance than A9-based SGS2. SGS3 models without LTE run Exynos 4 quad-core chips, so they are very comparable or even faster than Snapdragon 4 depending on the application. They are definitely faster than Tegra 3, though, which some of the HTC One X models use.

But raw performance is not the whole story. For instance, the display of the HTC One X is superior to the SAMOLED (non-plus) screen of the SGS3.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · May 31st, 2012, 00:06

That the S2 enjoyed much greater popularity than the Sensation? Granted that doesn't account for a difference anywhere near that high, but it does account for some.

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runawayprisoner · May 31st, 2012, 00:10

Yeah. Seems to me like either:

1) People suddenly got money to burn.

Or...

2) It was just like I said, and a huge chunk of those "pre-orders" actually came from carriers all over the world who would like to "stock" them phones in their warehouses.

Or...

3) It was all just a bluff.

I'm of a strong opinion that it's no. 2 because... I don't think it's impossible, but it's impossible to say that suddenly there are 9M people in the world interested in paying $500+ for a phone they haven't even read a review of.

**@ruantec** · May 31st, 2012, 00:26

I guess only the time will tell

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Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

but it's impossible to say that suddenly there are 9M people in the world interested in paying $500+ for a phone they haven't even read a review of.

There are millions of blind people willed to buy products from the enemy at a high price... i remember people paying over 1k euros for an iphone back in the day here so it's not that impossible

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redlofredlof · May 31st, 2012, 00:38

I just tested htc one yesterday night. Its so smooth and ICS looks so nice, like iOS

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runawayprisoner · May 31st, 2012, 15:33

You're right. I just got a One X for the hell of it, and the device itself is indeed very nice. Still wondering why the SGS3 is so much more... "pre-ordered". The One X is not bad at all. In fact, I dare say that it's very comparable to my iPhone 4.

Edit: on a side note, I finally realized why I pushed the iPad 3 away.

Barring the fact that the Pentile SAMOLED screens in the G Nex (and possibly the SGS3) have left a bad impression on my eyes, the HTC One X remedied that in a very appreciable way.

But guess what? I can still SEE pixels in the One X's screen.

Probably it's my eyesight after doing Lasik, but I only have to glance through the One X or iPhone 4 screens briefly to distinguish between them.

That said, the iPhone 4 screen still looks a lot sharper to me, and now that I think about it, perhaps it's due to that reason that I ultimately pushed the iPad 3 away. Though it looked sharper than the iPad 2, it was still kinda fuzzy compared to the iPhone 4. All things considered, I actually think that if it's under iPhone 4's PPI, then it looks all the same to me now.

I blame Apple for pushing such a high PPI.

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**@ruantec** · June 1st, 2012, 13:19

Here is the reason why i think that the Samsung Slate 7 tablet > any tablet atm:

ARM tablet owners may have more battery life but such a thing is just something they can only dream of... on a side note it seems like OSX isn't as touch friendly as we think it is or probably drivers aren't available yet that works with hackintsoh. Eitherway nice to see its possible.

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runawayprisoner · June 1st, 2012, 17:25

Like I kept saying in the Windows 8 thread, OSX is not toucscreen-friendly at all. It's not drivers. It's intentional.

And yeah, I agree the Samsung Series 7 slate is probably the best business tablet on the market at the moment. Barring the fact that it costs as much as a Macbook Air and gets as hot as the sun, that is. But in its defense, I can say that the price is worth it for a device of that caliber, and it doesn't get uncomfortably hot for the same things anyone would do on an iPad anyway.

And you know what? I'm loving the HTC One X more and more each day. I didn't check last time, but it does have some nice games with it now, courtesy of nVidia lobbying game devs for the Tegra 3 platform. Funny enough, I actually think Tegra 3 gets more games than other Android SoCs despite being in the middle of the pack with regard to GPU performance.

But hey, it does run like how a quad-core device should behave, which is all the more welcome for me. This is probably the first Android device I have used where the smoothness and responsiveness of the UI does not bother me as much. It still lags behind iPhone 4 sometimes, but overall, it is very nice. Good job, HTC!

Now to see why anyone would prefer the SGS3 over this gem of a device...

1) Lack of dev leverage means there are less cool games for Exynos compared to Tegra.
2) Fugly WebOS-esque design reminiscent of the iPhone 3GS days. I think the One X looks far better.
3) Sense UI looks far better than TouchWiz from a professional standpoint.
4) IPS screen is far superior to SAMOLED with pentile.

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May 25th, 2012, 21:04	#1981
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	I think I'll rest the case there. We'll see when official data is released. But I'm calling it either foul move by retailers/carriers to drum up customers' interest or just some random news from a Korean tabloid. Like you have probably realized. There is almost no reason why the S3 should be more popular than devices like the One X or One S. In fact, I'd even argue that it doesn't seem all that much better than the Galaxy Note either. But what better way to attract more customers than starting a rumor that there's 9M pre-orders? In that case, it's Samsung themselves drumming this up to get customers' attention.

May 26th, 2012, 11:20	#1982
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,281	starting a rumor??? don't get me wrong but i doubt the news was a rumor... still nothing compared to "Oh sh!t, the iPhone X got stolen somewhere in the USA" OMG, OMG, OMG! such strategies are nothing but cheap if you ask me. I doubt Samsung has anything to do with the news tho. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 26th, 2012, 15:38	#1983
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,332	If it was a rumor then it would have been a remarkable feat of coordination and cooperation between Samsung and the many thousands of retailers worldwide, many of whom have confirmed these numbers. It's like everyone just goes along with Samsung's deception, with no one having the balls to call Samsung's bluff, and at the risk of incurring the wrath of Apple (the Samsung conspiracy? ). I somehow doubt that Samsung has the leverage to put such pressure upon retailers/carriers (the way the S2 was delayed in the US for so long because of the US carriers shows that they are not ones to be pushed around by Samsung). __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team

May 26th, 2012, 16:22	#1984
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	I don't think anyone has outright "confirmed" these numbers per se. If you do know an article that does claim that, I'd love to read it. All I have been reading up until now is that Galaxy S3 is either the most pre-ordered device of 2012 or the most pre-ordered Android device, which is obviously cleverly worded to avoid conflict with iPhone 4S, though it does show some major difference compared to devices like the One X. The reason why no one has called this a bluff is because they are all waiting for this to blow over after the device has been released and see if the actual sales data match. Seriously, though, it's not because I like Apple that I'm calling this a bluff but more to the fact that it was published from some unknown Korean news source (strike 1), and from the words of mouth of an "unnamed Samsung executive" (strike 2), plus this is showing stark contrast to comparable devices like the HTC One X, which is actually regarded by many as the better device (strike 3). So given all those facts, I'm skeptical of the credibility of the story. And the fact that no one can confirm it just makes it all the more suspicious. At the end of the day, Samsung can just pay off carriers to make up that number, then when actual orders don't match, all they have to do is say that they didn't say it. Meanwhile, since no carrier has actually confirmed it, they all can just dismiss it as a hype rumor started by some Korean tabloid trying to grab page view. It's all too convenient. The benefits are obvious: Samsung and carriers get to show off the "demand" for a product that's about to be released. If more people buy the device, it's only better for Samsung and carriers. Last edited by runawayprisoner; May 26th, 2012 at 16:31..

May 26th, 2012, 16:39	#1985
cognositivo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 126	Once again. Why is so important that the phone that YOU like has to be the most popular? Are you sure that the most popular product is the best product? Let's choose another categories and see what are the best book, film or song according with this logic. Last edited by cognositivo; May 27th, 2012 at 03:13..

May 27th, 2012, 01:33	#1986
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May 30th, 2012, 23:30	#1987
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	lol indeed. I'm still waiting to see what the final "sale figure" would be like for the SGS3. From reading reviews, it doesn't look too stellar.

May 30th, 2012, 23:41	#1989
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Not much of a point to those, really. I was never bothered by who would outsell Apple. But I was extremely bothered by those high "pre-order" numbers. It seems too good to be true.

May 30th, 2012, 23:46	#1990
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,281	I personally don't see a reason why those pre-orders should not be truth hence why i could not understand why you was/are so skeptical. The thing is... the enemy is slow down with the iPhone and putting too much focus in the iPad while Samsung is getting insanely popular and better... i remember how much i hated Samsung phones many years ago as they were not robust enough and full of plastic... yet when i see the build quality of the S3 i realize is totally different now. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 30th, 2012, 23:50	#1991
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,659	I'd love to see Apple be beaten...but I can't help but side with RAP on this one....there has to be some sort of bolstering in a number that much bigger than the one Apple posted. To me the S3 isn't so much better than current droids to post a number that much bigger than the device thousands of mindless sheep purchase without a second thought. You can't tell me the world magically spawned that many intelligent people in just a few months. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 30th, 2012, 23:52	#1992
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,281	If i'm not mistaken the european version of the S3 is better while the US version is as good as the S2. I remember reading something about it but i'm not sure. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

May 31st, 2012, 00:03	#1993
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Well, like I kept mentioning, the numbers came from a no-name Korean tabloid source, and to add more salt, they even mentioned that it came from an "unnamed" Samsung executive. If that's not material to throw in the "rumor" bin, I don't know what is. That and it doesn't add up when you'd consider that the SGS3 isn't that much better than comparable Droid devices like the HTC One X or One S. Also considering the SGS3 costs an arm and a leg compared to the previous generation now, it makes no sense that suddenly there are 9M people in the world willing to pay $650 (read: more than an iPad) plus tax (not to mention it's 1.5x higher in Europe) for it. It just doesn't add up even if you take Apple out of the picture altogether. What exactly makes this device over 8 million units in sales better than the HTC One X or One S? And yea, your reading was right. To be more precise, the SGS3 models with LTE all use Qualcomm Snapdragon chips or something, so they're about on par with HTC One X in raw performance, but they should be far faster than SGS2 since Snapdragon 4 is closer to ARM Cortex A15 performance than A9-based SGS2. SGS3 models without LTE run Exynos 4 quad-core chips, so they are very comparable or even faster than Snapdragon 4 depending on the application. They are definitely faster than Tegra 3, though, which some of the HTC One X models use. But raw performance is not the whole story. For instance, the display of the HTC One X is superior to the SAMOLED (non-plus) screen of the SGS3.

May 31st, 2012, 00:06	#1994
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,659	That the S2 enjoyed much greater popularity than the Sensation? Granted that doesn't account for a difference anywhere near that high, but it does account for some. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

May 31st, 2012, 00:10	#1995
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Yeah. Seems to me like either: 1) People suddenly got money to burn. Or... 2) It was just like I said, and a huge chunk of those "pre-orders" actually came from carriers all over the world who would like to "stock" them phones in their warehouses. Or... 3) It was all just a bluff. I'm of a strong opinion that it's no. 2 because... I don't think it's impossible, but it's impossible to say that suddenly there are 9M people in the world interested in paying $500+ for a phone they haven't even read a review of.

May 31st, 2012, 15:33	#1998
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	You're right. I just got a One X for the hell of it, and the device itself is indeed very nice. Still wondering why the SGS3 is so much more... "pre-ordered". The One X is not bad at all. In fact, I dare say that it's very comparable to my iPhone 4. Edit: on a side note, I finally realized why I pushed the iPad 3 away. Barring the fact that the Pentile SAMOLED screens in the G Nex (and possibly the SGS3) have left a bad impression on my eyes, the HTC One X remedied that in a very appreciable way. But guess what? I can still SEE pixels in the One X's screen. Probably it's my eyesight after doing Lasik, but I only have to glance through the One X or iPhone 4 screens briefly to distinguish between them. That said, the iPhone 4 screen still looks a lot sharper to me, and now that I think about it, perhaps it's due to that reason that I ultimately pushed the iPad 3 away. Though it looked sharper than the iPad 2, it was still kinda fuzzy compared to the iPhone 4. All things considered, I actually think that if it's under iPhone 4's PPI, then it looks all the same to me now. I blame Apple for pushing such a high PPI. Last edited by runawayprisoner; May 31st, 2012 at 17:08..

June 1st, 2012, 13:19	#1999
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,281	Here is the reason why i think that the Samsung Slate 7 tablet > any tablet atm: ARM tablet owners may have more battery life but such a thing is just something they can only dream of... on a side note it seems like OSX isn't as touch friendly as we think it is or probably drivers aren't available yet that works with hackintsoh. Eitherway nice to see its possible. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

June 1st, 2012, 17:25	#2000
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	Like I kept saying in the Windows 8 thread, OSX is not toucscreen-friendly at all. It's not drivers. It's intentional. And yeah, I agree the Samsung Series 7 slate is probably the best business tablet on the market at the moment. Barring the fact that it costs as much as a Macbook Air and gets as hot as the sun, that is. But in its defense, I can say that the price is worth it for a device of that caliber, and it doesn't get uncomfortably hot for the same things anyone would do on an iPad anyway. And you know what? I'm loving the HTC One X more and more each day. I didn't check last time, but it does have some nice games with it now, courtesy of nVidia lobbying game devs for the Tegra 3 platform. Funny enough, I actually think Tegra 3 gets more games than other Android SoCs despite being in the middle of the pack with regard to GPU performance. But hey, it does run like how a quad-core device should behave, which is all the more welcome for me. This is probably the first Android device I have used where the smoothness and responsiveness of the UI does not bother me as much. It still lags behind iPhone 4 sometimes, but overall, it is very nice. Good job, HTC! Now to see why anyone would prefer the SGS3 over this gem of a device... 1) Lack of dev leverage means there are less cool games for Exynos compared to Tegra. 2) Fugly WebOS-esque design reminiscent of the iPhone 3GS days. I think the One X looks far better. 3) Sense UI looks far better than TouchWiz from a professional standpoint. 4) IPS screen is far superior to SAMOLED with pentile. Last edited by runawayprisoner; June 1st, 2012 at 17:31..