Movement issues

hookonsonic2 · July 16th, 2010, 06:19

Ok, so I'm playing Sonic Adventure 2, and I've noticed something that didn't happen with the gamecube version. When I move forward or backward, my character (any character) tilts to the left just a little bit. I'm using my keyboard to play, not a controller of any sort. I can't see any reason why the characters tilt to the left. When I hit the right arrow to make them straighten out, they straighten out, but they lose speed because of the sudden movement, and they quickly start going to the left again. The EXACT same thing happens on Sonic Adventure 1, and they all tilt the same amount. Obviously, this is an emulator issue that needs correcting. This also happened on my older computer (before the graphics card broke), and it happened in the exact same way.

Is there a quick fix to this issue, or is it a problem with the emulator?

P.S. I've made a video to show you exactly how it looks. YouTube - nullDC movement issue

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KrossX · July 16th, 2010, 06:57

You should try different plugins and emulator versions.

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hookonsonic2 · July 16th, 2010, 07:23

Ok, I'll try it out.

It happens on 1.0.3
It happens on 1.0.4 r22
It happens on 1.0.4 r45
It happens on 1.0.4 r46

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PsyMan · July 16th, 2010, 07:24

Yeah, if I recall correctly this happens by design. It's how the game is supposed to be.

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hookonsonic2 · July 16th, 2010, 07:31

Really? By design? Why didn't they do that in the Gamecube remake? I've played it on dolphin, and I don't get that problem at all. They move in straight lines, not curved ones. I'm gonna check this out some more.

EDIT: I looked into it, and you're right. This is how the game is designed (I don't know why), so it is NOT an emulator problem, and I can't fix it without getting an actual controller.

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KrossX · July 16th, 2010, 09:58

Well, you're supposed to be using a proper controller after all.

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neckilljo · July 16th, 2010, 10:09

Never noticed it until you say that it happens, and it really seems to be true on real console as well. I can't tell about SA1 (I don't have it here), but SA2 I played on my dreamcast right now and (it looks like) it happened just like your video.

It's hard to tell. Since you have analog X axis, while up on Y axis is 100% held, I can't be sure there's no 0,5% right or left. SA1 and 2 are played all the time adjusting direction while running because analog sensitivity is pretty high when you are pushing 100% on any direction.

You sacrifice the feeling of the game playing it without analog controls. Anybody can tell me if the analog function purupuru plugin works fine?

If it doesn't happen on gamecube, pc, wii, atari 2600 or any other plataform, maybe they have fixed it

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hookonsonic2 · July 17th, 2010, 20:46

I don't own a proper dreamcast (or any compatible) controller, so a keyboard is all I've got. Is there any way to alter the "controller's" neutral position to compensate for the tilting?

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neckilljo · July 17th, 2010, 21:04

what if you tilt the camera to the right with R trigger?

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KrossX · July 17th, 2010, 21:11

You could try using the half press button. It affects the analog too, not just triggers. So at least the movement won't be too harsh.

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hookonsonic2 · July 17th, 2010, 21:29

neckilljo, if I tilt the camera, it will quickly tilt back to the normal position.

KrossX, I don't know what the "half press button" is, but it doesn't sound like it'd help me out.

It would be nice if we could adjust the sensitivity of the controller so that the UP arrow could not only register a Y-axis movement, but an X-axis movement that would even out the controller and cause Sonic to run normally. I know it will be tough, but I'm sure we could work something out.

BTW, nullDC runs SA2 20-50% better than Dolphin. I can play SA2 on nullDC AND record it, and still get 100% speed throughout the whole level, and the screen recorder only misses a couple frames.

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KrossX · July 17th, 2010, 22:42

The half press button, is a ... button of the PuruPuru plugin. It makes any analog value, the half of it. That way, when you steer you would do so lightly and not abruptly.

Other than that no, I ain't gonna add some kind of axis rotation of any sort.

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neckilljo · July 17th, 2010, 23:56

Get a joystick with analog dpad then, pretty simple. A psx or ps2 adapted to usb will do fine

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hookonsonic2 · July 18th, 2010, 00:02

Unfortunately, that won't be happening anytime soon. I'll try out the purupuru.

I might be sounding dumb, but does the purupuru require a controller, or does a keyboard work?

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Pretender86 · July 18th, 2010, 03:14

Purupuru plugin is made for controllers, you can't use it with a keyboard. There might some kind of hack but I honestly doubt it since it is made for controllers, not for use with a keyboard. There is already a plugin to deal with keyboard and that situation is definitely not considered.

Try to get a controller so you can use the purupuru plugin, you can find really cheap controllers.

KrossX · July 18th, 2010, 03:43

It actually does support keyboard. =_="

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Pretender86 · July 18th, 2010, 07:02

Really KrossX??! Didn't notice that... Sorry for the wrong info up there!! I thought Purupuru only supported controller input, not keyboard

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hookonsonic2 · July 18th, 2010, 14:01

Really? I'll have to try that out.

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Ficticious · May 6th, 2012, 02:17

neckilljo is right. You should get a Playstation 2 controller. Sorry I can't help any better than that.

July 16th, 2010, 06:19	#1
hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	Movement issues Ok, so I'm playing Sonic Adventure 2, and I've noticed something that didn't happen with the gamecube version. When I move forward or backward, my character (any character) tilts to the left just a little bit. I'm using my keyboard to play, not a controller of any sort. I can't see any reason why the characters tilt to the left. When I hit the right arrow to make them straighten out, they straighten out, but they lose speed because of the sudden movement, and they quickly start going to the left again. The EXACT same thing happens on Sonic Adventure 1, and they all tilt the same amount. Obviously, this is an emulator issue that needs correcting. This also happened on my older computer (before the graphics card broke), and it happened in the exact same way. Is there a quick fix to this issue, or is it a problem with the emulator? P.S. I've made a video to show you exactly how it looks. YouTube - nullDC movement issue __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.

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July 16th, 2010, 06:57	#2
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,638	You should try different plugins and emulator versions. __________________

July 16th, 2010, 07:23	#3
hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	Ok, I'll try it out. It happens on 1.0.3 It happens on 1.0.4 r22 It happens on 1.0.4 r45 It happens on 1.0.4 r46 __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit. Last edited by hookonsonic2; July 16th, 2010 at 07:27.. Reason: had to add data

July 16th, 2010, 07:24	#4
PsyMan Bannҽd Join Date: May 2004 Location: Where banned people go Posts: 2,151	Yeah, if I recall correctly this happens by design. It's how the game is supposed to be. __________________ I'm not insane. YOU are insane... You are all insane! Click Here to Visit my Blog Page

July 16th, 2010, 07:31	#5
hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	Really? By design? Why didn't they do that in the Gamecube remake? I've played it on dolphin, and I don't get that problem at all. They move in straight lines, not curved ones. I'm gonna check this out some more. EDIT: I looked into it, and you're right. This is how the game is designed (I don't know why), so it is NOT an emulator problem, and I can't fix it without getting an actual controller. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit. Last edited by hookonsonic2; July 16th, 2010 at 09:33.. Reason: had to add stuff

July 16th, 2010, 09:58	#6
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,638	Well, you're supposed to be using a proper controller after all. __________________

July 16th, 2010, 10:09	#7
neckilljo Nomad User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: BRASIL Posts: 115	Never noticed it until you say that it happens, and it really seems to be true on real console as well. I can't tell about SA1 (I don't have it here), but SA2 I played on my dreamcast right now and (it looks like) it happened just like your video. It's hard to tell. Since you have analog X axis, while up on Y axis is 100% held, I can't be sure there's no 0,5% right or left. SA1 and 2 are played all the time adjusting direction while running because analog sensitivity is pretty high when you are pushing 100% on any direction. You sacrifice the feeling of the game playing it without analog controls. Anybody can tell me if the analog function purupuru plugin works fine? If it doesn't happen on gamecube, pc, wii, atari 2600 or any other plataform, maybe they have fixed it __________________ Core 2 Quad Q6600, Markvision 4GB DDR2 800MHz, Asus P5NE-SLI, Radeon HD4850 Last edited by neckilljo; July 16th, 2010 at 11:33..

July 17th, 2010, 20:46	#8
hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	I don't own a proper dreamcast (or any compatible) controller, so a keyboard is all I've got. Is there any way to alter the "controller's" neutral position to compensate for the tilting? __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.

July 17th, 2010, 21:04	#9
neckilljo Nomad User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: BRASIL Posts: 115	what if you tilt the camera to the right with R trigger? __________________ Core 2 Quad Q6600, Markvision 4GB DDR2 800MHz, Asus P5NE-SLI, Radeon HD4850

July 17th, 2010, 21:11	#10
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,638	You could try using the half press button. It affects the analog too, not just triggers. So at least the movement won't be too harsh. __________________

July 17th, 2010, 21:29	#11
hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	neckilljo, if I tilt the camera, it will quickly tilt back to the normal position. KrossX, I don't know what the "half press button" is, but it doesn't sound like it'd help me out. It would be nice if we could adjust the sensitivity of the controller so that the UP arrow could not only register a Y-axis movement, but an X-axis movement that would even out the controller and cause Sonic to run normally. I know it will be tough, but I'm sure we could work something out. BTW, nullDC runs SA2 20-50% better than Dolphin. I can play SA2 on nullDC AND record it, and still get 100% speed throughout the whole level, and the screen recorder only misses a couple frames. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.

July 17th, 2010, 22:42	#12
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,638	The half press button, is a ... button of the PuruPuru plugin. It makes any analog value, the half of it. That way, when you steer you would do so lightly and not abruptly. Other than that no, I ain't gonna add some kind of axis rotation of any sort. __________________

July 17th, 2010, 23:56	#13
neckilljo Nomad User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: BRASIL Posts: 115	Get a joystick with analog dpad then, pretty simple. A psx or ps2 adapted to usb will do fine __________________ Core 2 Quad Q6600, Markvision 4GB DDR2 800MHz, Asus P5NE-SLI, Radeon HD4850

July 18th, 2010, 00:02	#14
hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	Unfortunately, that won't be happening anytime soon. I'll try out the purupuru. I might be sounding dumb, but does the purupuru require a controller, or does a keyboard work? __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.

July 18th, 2010, 03:14	#15
Pretender86 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	Purupuru plugin is made for controllers, you can't use it with a keyboard. There might some kind of hack but I honestly doubt it since it is made for controllers, not for use with a keyboard. There is already a plugin to deal with keyboard and that situation is definitely not considered. Try to get a controller so you can use the purupuru plugin, you can find really cheap controllers.

July 18th, 2010, 03:43	#16
KrossX クロッスエクス Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 3,638	It actually does support keyboard. =_=" __________________

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Pretender86 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	Really KrossX??! Didn't notice that... Sorry for the wrong info up there!! I thought Purupuru only supported controller input, not keyboard

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hookonsonic2 All hail me! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: ARK Posts: 416	Really? I'll have to try that out. __________________ AMD Phenom II X4 810 @ 2.6Ghz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVidia GTS 450, 750GB HD, DVD +- RW w/ Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.

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Ficticious Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mobius Posts: 12	neckilljo is right. You should get a Playstation 2 controller. Sorry I can't help any better than that.