will epsxe ever be perfect?

isamu · May 31st, 2010, 07:42

I remember when epsxe came out over 15 years ago. It was a fantastic breakthru in emulation. But in all honesty, the amount of improvements to the emu in regards to performance and compatibility has not really been significant. Do you guys ever foresee a time when epsxe will run all Playstation games pretty much perfectly and at full speed?

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masta.g.86 · May 31st, 2010, 07:51

ePSXe came out 15 years ago?

It runs full speed in everything I've ever thrown at it and "perfect" is highly subjective in emulation. Can you be more specific?

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Squall-Leonhart · May 31st, 2010, 08:43

1.0.0 was released in 2000

**jonc2006** · May 31st, 2010, 08:45

if by perfect you mean with no problems on any hardware configuration then no, perfect is nearly impossible. i doubt any psx emulator can achive this. if you want perfect use a real playstation.

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**Hard core Rikki** · May 31st, 2010, 10:53

No. All in all, even just updates might never happen again.
Pete kept it alive with his excellent plugins, but that's as far as improvements in 'epsxe' could go, with a refactoring or source release.

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if by perfect you mean with no problems on any hardware configuration then no, perfect is nearly impossible. i doubt any psx emulator can achive this.

Hardware-accelerated software rendering. pSX is heading to that 'perfection' (MAME far too slow).

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isamu · May 31st, 2010, 22:16

Thanks for the replies and explanation guys. Very insightful

Oh well it's a bit unfortunate. From what you've read and heard, has "pSX" suffered the same fate? That too is an emu I have not seen updates for in a very long time.

The thing that concerns me the most, is the fear of seeing PCSX2 and other PS2 emulators go down the same road. PCSX2 is a great emu, but let's face it, it too is becoming quite long in the tooth with having been released for over two years now, and there are still many many many ps2 games that either run too slow or don't run at all.

Do you guys suspect PCSX2 development will eventually kick the bucket as well?

I guess I have come to the realization that 3D emulation is a LOT harder to perfect that 2D. 90% of all 2D emulators I know about run their games pretty much perfectly. ZSNES, Kega Fusion, Final Burn Alpha, WinUAE, you name it.

Thoughts? Opinions?

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Dark Mind · May 31st, 2010, 22:25

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Originally Posted by isamu

PCSX2 is a great emu, but let's face it, it too is becoming quite long in the tooth with having been released for over two years now, and there are still many many many ps2 games that either run too slow or don't run at all.

Do you guys suspect PCSX2 development will eventually kick the bucket as well?

?

Well, there are nearly daily releases of the PCSX2 SVN's. The developement never stopped, but the public release will need its time

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**Hard core Rikki** · May 31st, 2010, 22:44

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The thing that concerns me the most, is the fear of seeing PCSX2 and other PS2 emulators go down the same road. PCSX2 is a great emu, but let's face it, it too is becoming quite long in the tooth with having been released for over two years now, and there are still many many many ps2 games that either run too slow or don't run at all.

Do you guys suspect PCSX2 development will eventually kick the bucket as well?

...I'll presume you did not try PCSX2 again since 2 years ago.
Try the latest beta and see if 'many games' still do not run, or as slowly.

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has "pSX" suffered the same fate?

No. Given how radical the 1.14 'will' be, delays are very understandable. It's also supposed to bring working PS2 emulation on the table (with reasonable compatibility), as well as a functioning Mac port PS1 fans were clamoring for since ages by now (PCSX not performing all that good on Mac), among others.

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isamu · May 31st, 2010, 23:46

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...I'll presume you did not try PCSX2 again since 2 years ago.
Try the latest beta and see if 'many games' still do not run, or as slowly.

No. Given how radical the 1.14 'will' be, delays are very understandable. It's also supposed to bring working PS2 emulation on the table (with reasonable compatibility), as well as a functioning Mac port PS1 fans were clamoring for since ages by now (PCSX not performing all that good on Mac), among others.

Wow I was unaware of these developments. Thanks a bunch for the detailed clarification Hard core Rikki and Dark Mind.

Rikki, are graphical enhancements ala epsxe on the table as well for the pSX 1.14 as far as you know?

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**Hard core Rikki** · June 1st, 2010, 00:02

No, pSX specifically shuns graphic enhancements (like antialisaing). It aims to look as much as the real console output after all.

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DragonMyth · June 3rd, 2010, 08:23

It would be nice to have a much much more efficient netplay regimen for playing epsxe online with others. Sadly on my modem, it just doesn't seem quite fit for it. A lot of emus developers are really good, but I just have current focus on the netplay aspect. Some, not all of the time games can be much fun online than playing by yourself and it just seems programmers focus on too much of the movies, and high definition crap I always hear. I have to see mupen 64 ++ beta has really put out in netplay. I think epsxe also needs to go down that road when netplay is a lot more function -able for people that don't have as much internet speed as the other people...like....like me.

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jonc2006 Mod of Douchebagness™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA MD Posts: 9,793	if by perfect you mean with no problems on any hardware configuration then no, perfect is nearly impossible. i doubt any psx emulator can achive this. if you want perfect use a real playstation. __________________ Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart. Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome. Official jonc2006™ Fan Club Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

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isamu Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 247	Thanks for the replies and explanation guys. Very insightful Oh well it's a bit unfortunate. From what you've read and heard, has "pSX" suffered the same fate? That too is an emu I have not seen updates for in a very long time. The thing that concerns me the most, is the fear of seeing PCSX2 and other PS2 emulators go down the same road. PCSX2 is a great emu, but let's face it, it too is becoming quite long in the tooth with having been released for over two years now, and there are still many many many ps2 games that either run too slow or don't run at all. Do you guys suspect PCSX2 development will eventually kick the bucket as well? I guess I have come to the realization that 3D emulation is a LOT harder to perfect that 2D. 90% of all 2D emulators I know about run their games pretty much perfectly. ZSNES, Kega Fusion, Final Burn Alpha, WinUAE, you name it. Thoughts? Opinions? __________________ GENTLEMEN: START YOUR ENGINES!! Daytona USA is emulated for the PC. NOTHING more needs to be said

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DragonMyth Google Moogle Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: United States Posts: 201	It would be nice to have a much much more efficient netplay regimen for playing epsxe online with others. Sadly on my modem, it just doesn't seem quite fit for it. A lot of emus developers are really good, but I just have current focus on the netplay aspect. Some, not all of the time games can be much fun online than playing by yourself and it just seems programmers focus on too much of the movies, and high definition crap I always hear. I have to see mupen 64 ++ beta has really put out in netplay. I think epsxe also needs to go down that road when netplay is a lot more function -able for people that don't have as much internet speed as the other people...like....like me.