Question to the programmers

<Id> · February 2nd, 2002, 11:50

I have a general question to any of the programmers. If anyone else knows the answer than that is fine too. I try some programming myself and I was wondering what programming language you are using. At school they teach us C++ but would it be more useful to learn JAVA? I am just curious, because the programming teacher at our school is not too bright, and therefore I want to teach myself if we are not learning the right language. I heard C++ was getting old.

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Sniper · February 2nd, 2002, 12:29

don't worry mate, learn c/c++ first it's the best language to learn as it make you to know the structure which in every language you learn had,
java is very hard to understand by yourself, as there are so many way to do the same thing as it got lots function are exactly the same, you probably won't know it all,
delphi is a language similar to pascal, which if you understand c/c++ you can easily learn the other 2 within 1 year

so keep study on c/c++ as most the program is still make by c/c++
don't forget the great os UNIX/Linux is created by using c/c++

Noxious Ninja · February 2nd, 2002, 14:46

C++ will keep you going for the next several years.

Heck, it was just revamped in 1997/98, with the ISO/ANSI standard. It is still the main programming language for just about everything.

ePSXe is written mainly in C++, and, as Sniper said, Linux is written in C/C++.

I am studying C++ now, and I think it will be quite worth my time.

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infinite fate · February 2nd, 2002, 15:49

for beginners, c and c++ is basically the best programming language to learn. it can be considered as the "fundamental" language because you could easily undedrstand and learn other languages if you already know c++. but for me, i studied pascal first before c.

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robi_wan_kenobi · February 13th, 2002, 00:52

Ok <Id>,

Dont worry, learning is always a good thing.
Depending on wich plataform you are programing(Unix or Win), is where you have to be more concerned. Dont forget to experience them both.
C++ will guide you trough Visual C++, where our loved emu coders develop more, and with enough practicing after you had learned C++ you can learn anything,... Java is pretty pretty easy and you develop VEEEERY Slow aplications on it(interpreted language), go for it to feel the diferences between Compiled(C/C++,Pascal,etc...) and interpreted(Java,ASP,...) and if you dare :-) dont underestimate the power of the assembly language(the trickiest, toughest but coolest language ever).... and become a "byte-polisher"

jerb84 · February 13th, 2002, 02:24

Great, there will be another one to know of what ur talking about i'll learn all this stuff in next september !!!!!

**kairi00** · February 13th, 2002, 02:39

Minor correction: Java is NOT an "interpreted" language. It is compiled, however, it is not compiled to actual machine code. It's compiled to an 'intermediate' form (byte code).

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**Xeven** · February 13th, 2002, 02:44

> but for me, i studied pascal first before c

me tow!

Enigma1982 · February 13th, 2002, 03:31

I am learning C by turbo C at university but I don't have turbo c at home

si_ok · February 13th, 2002, 03:33

really depends on how much effort you wanna put in. c++ i low level, while languages like basic r high level.....

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robi_wan_kenobi · February 20th, 2002, 13:49

Thanks for the enlightment kairi00

, but its still slow as hell compared to compiled languages...
Enigma1982 , you can use this very-good-free C compiler, get it at:

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32/

cairey · February 20th, 2002, 14:32

Java is too slow. Why do you think most games use C/C++?

C/C++ will do everything you need it to do.

I personally prefer C++ over C because of 'classes' - like stuctures, but with major attitude.

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**Kane** · February 20th, 2002, 14:56

First language I every pggmed in was Amstrad BASIC..... *sighs*
I've moved on to C++ in my own time, but we learn Java at uni. The reason Java is popular is it's portability. If you want a bit of code taht will run on most any o/s, use JAVA. If you want speed, program for a specific o/s using C

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Biased turkey · February 20th, 2002, 15:29

Real men program on C

Nightmare · February 20th, 2002, 15:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Biased turkey
Real men program on C

nah nah nah! Real man program on machine code

**Kane** · February 20th, 2002, 15:52

Assembly is good enuf for me, but that's just a hobby.

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**Demigod** · February 20th, 2002, 15:57

C is by far the best programming language you can learn right now. Java doesn't have many applications at the moment. You'll get much more benefits from learning C. Most of today's programs are written in C, including Windows, Unix and most emulators and games. There's also a lot more support for C on the internet; there are source codes for programs like Final Burn, Doom, Quake and a whole bunch of other programs, all written in C/C++.

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Recca · February 20th, 2002, 16:08

Does anybody know a good program and a help file on how to learn C++

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**Kane** · February 20th, 2002, 16:10

C for dummies?

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Recca · February 20th, 2002, 16:17

Why's that:confused:

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February 2nd, 2002, 12:29	#2
Sniper Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 460	don't worry mate, learn c/c++ first it's the best language to learn as it make you to know the structure which in every language you learn had, java is very hard to understand by yourself, as there are so many way to do the same thing as it got lots function are exactly the same, you probably won't know it all, delphi is a language similar to pascal, which if you understand c/c++ you can easily learn the other 2 within 1 year so keep study on c/c++ as most the program is still make by c/c++ don't forget the great os UNIX/Linux is created by using c/c++

February 2nd, 2002, 14:46	#3
Noxious Ninja Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: teh intarweb Posts: 1,720	C++ will keep you going for the next several years. Heck, it was just revamped in 1997/98, with the ISO/ANSI standard. It is still the main programming language for just about everything. ePSXe is written mainly in C++, and, as Sniper said, Linux is written in C/C++. I am studying C++ now, and I think it will be quite worth my time. __________________ 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0

February 2nd, 2002, 15:49	#4
infinite fate EMU idiot Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philippines Posts: 41	for beginners, c and c++ is basically the best programming language to learn. it can be considered as the "fundamental" language because you could easily undedrstand and learn other languages if you already know c++. but for me, i studied pascal first before c. __________________ Zeus will fall, Hades will follow, the FATE will rule!

February 13th, 2002, 00:52	#5
robi_wan_kenobi Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Campinas-Brazil Posts: 69	Ok <Id>, Dont worry, learning is always a good thing. Depending on wich plataform you are programing(Unix or Win), is where you have to be more concerned. Dont forget to experience them both. C++ will guide you trough Visual C++, where our loved emu coders develop more, and with enough practicing after you had learned C++ you can learn anything,... Java is pretty pretty easy and you develop VEEEERY Slow aplications on it(interpreted language), go for it to feel the diferences between Compiled(C/C++,Pascal,etc...) and interpreted(Java,ASP,...) and if you dare :-) dont underestimate the power of the assembly language(the trickiest, toughest but coolest language ever).... and become a "byte-polisher"

February 13th, 2002, 02:24	#6
jerb84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 36	Great, there will be another one to know of what ur talking about i'll learn all this stuff in next september !!!!!

February 13th, 2002, 02:39	#7
kairi00 Puchiko-nyu! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 49° 11' N 123° 10' W Posts: 2,853	Minor correction: Java is NOT an "interpreted" language. It is compiled, however, it is not compiled to actual machine code. It's compiled to an 'intermediate' form (byte code). __________________ "Not every ejaculation deserves a name." --- George Carlin

February 13th, 2002, 02:44	#8
Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,568	> but for me, i studied pascal first before c me tow!

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Enigma1982 Do not Disturb Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Bangkok,Thailand Posts: 1,808	I am learning C by turbo C at university but I don't have turbo c at home

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si_ok Flying thru the skies Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NZ! Posts: 166	really depends on how much effort you wanna put in. c++ i low level, while languages like basic r high level..... __________________ If you believe that anything is impossible and everything is possible, then your dreams will become reality no matter how long it takes, as long as you believe...

February 20th, 2002, 13:49	#11
robi_wan_kenobi Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Campinas-Brazil Posts: 69	Thanks for the enlightment kairi00 , but its still slow as hell compared to compiled languages... Enigma1982 , you can use this very-good-free C compiler, get it at: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32/

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cairey Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: England Posts: 216	Java is too slow. Why do you think most games use C/C++? C/C++ will do everything you need it to do. I personally prefer C++ over C because of 'classes' - like stuctures, but with major attitude. __________________ http://go.to/cairey - My Home Page Last edited by cairey; February 20th, 2002 at 15:08..

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	First language I every pggmed in was Amstrad BASIC..... sighs I've moved on to C++ in my own time, but we learn Java at uni. The reason Java is popular is it's portability. If you want a bit of code taht will run on most any o/s, use JAVA. If you want speed, program for a specific o/s using C __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

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Biased turkey Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal,Canada Posts: 75	Real men program on C

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Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,332	C is by far the best programming language you can learn right now. Java doesn't have many applications at the moment. You'll get much more benefits from learning C. Most of today's programs are written in C, including Windows, Unix and most emulators and games. There's also a lot more support for C on the internet; there are source codes for programs like Final Burn, Doom, Quake and a whole bunch of other programs, all written in C/C++. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team

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Recca Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Where ever fate shall lead me. Posts: 3,941	Why's that:confused: __________________ この世に悪があるとすれば、それは人の心だ。エドワ-ド・D・モリスン