secuROM and daemon tools

**jonc2006** · November 11th, 2008, 06:36

i have several games that use the secuROM protection system like bio shock, overlord, and fallout 3 (probably a few others too that i just am not aware of yet) for example, and due to this i have yet to install daemon tools on my new system. the reason being is that i am worried about either my secuROM games becoming unplayable if it somehow picks up on daemon tools or from secuROM screwing with daemon tools itself and making it un-useable.

i know people have had problems with it blacklisting and removing daemon tools and other disc image emulation softwares when installing a game but what about after the game has been installed? does secuROM still attempt to disable daemon tools or does it just do a check during the installation of a game that uses the protection?

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**Hard core Rikki** · November 11th, 2008, 06:40

The drivers remain loaded with the system. You can disable or remove them, but generally the game would be expected to not run (require reinstallation).
With securom removed, I presume modification of the gamestart executable could suffice (while this is true with starforce, not sure about the latest securom incarnations, which i heard were nasty)

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**jonc2006** · November 11th, 2008, 06:45

well i only use daemon tools for things like psx or ps2 emulation, i never actually use it for those games with the secuROM protection. im just not sure if it will actually prevent me from using daemon tools for those purposes despite not being used for anything that is related to those games or if it will make my secuROM games stop working if it picks up on it.

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**Hard core Rikki** · November 11th, 2008, 06:55

I personally dropped Daemon Tools since greed got the better of them.
Alcohol52% FE is as nice an alternative, for image-based emulation. Image finder, profiles, image making, what more is there to wish for, compared to the now crippled DT versions/editions?

Once the kernel drivers are installed, I believe they just perform checks during install time, and aborts install till the conflicting softs are removed (removing these apps then reinstalling them after getting the game installed might be ok, but cant confirm)

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Spyhop · November 11th, 2008, 07:02

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Originally Posted by Hard core Rikki

I personally dropped Daemon Tools since greed got the better of them.

People wanting to get paid for their hard work isn't greed. I hate that, whenever software devs start asking for money geeks flip out and get all hippy.
Besides, they still offer their usual free version, it just doesn't have IDE support.

jonc, I think I only ever ran into trouble installing one game while I had daemon tools running. Can't remember what that was. I imagine it's not common practice to do this kind of thing since there are plenty of legal application for virtual drive software and pulling this kind of BS just pisses off consumers. (ie the Spore effect)

Squall-Leonhart · November 13th, 2008, 11:35

Crack the games, Securom and Star**** kill systems

November 11th, 2008, 06:36	#1
jonc2006 Mod of Douchebagness™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA MD Posts: 9,793	secuROM and daemon tools i have several games that use the secuROM protection system like bio shock, overlord, and fallout 3 (probably a few others too that i just am not aware of yet) for example, and due to this i have yet to install daemon tools on my new system. the reason being is that i am worried about either my secuROM games becoming unplayable if it somehow picks up on daemon tools or from secuROM screwing with daemon tools itself and making it un-useable. i know people have had problems with it blacklisting and removing daemon tools and other disc image emulation softwares when installing a game but what about after the game has been installed? does secuROM still attempt to disable daemon tools or does it just do a check during the installation of a game that uses the protection? __________________ Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart. Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome. Official jonc2006™ Fan Club Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

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November 11th, 2008, 06:40	#2
Hard core Rikki Moving into the beat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Perpetual Hawaii Posts: 11,297	The drivers remain loaded with the system. You can disable or remove them, but generally the game would be expected to not run (require reinstallation). With securom removed, I presume modification of the gamestart executable could suffice (while this is true with starforce, not sure about the latest securom incarnations, which i heard were nasty) __________________ deviantART \| Blog \| VBA-M \| GeneralEmu \| XTemu \| FMVTool2 \| @ES \| Shendo new NGemu toolbar http://ngemu.ourtoolbar.com

November 11th, 2008, 06:45	#3
jonc2006 Mod of Douchebagness™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA MD Posts: 9,793	well i only use daemon tools for things like psx or ps2 emulation, i never actually use it for those games with the secuROM protection. im just not sure if it will actually prevent me from using daemon tools for those purposes despite not being used for anything that is related to those games or if it will make my secuROM games stop working if it picks up on it. __________________ Antec 900/Antec Truepower Quattro 1000W/eVGA 780i SLI/Windows XP Media SP2 & Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP1/Intel Core 2 Duo E8400@4.0GHz/Dual eVGA e-Geforce GTX280 1GB DDR3 SLI Enabled/Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer/Corsiar XMS2 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400 DDR2/Dual WD Caviar SE16 500GB 7200RPM HDDs The Official jonc2006™ Emotion Chart. Courtesy of PCXL-Fan after he tried to steal my identity on Steam because I am so awesome. Official jonc2006™ Fan Club Official jonc2006™ Trophy Collection

November 11th, 2008, 06:55	#4
Hard core Rikki Moving into the beat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Perpetual Hawaii Posts: 11,297	I personally dropped Daemon Tools since greed got the better of them. Alcohol52% FE is as nice an alternative, for image-based emulation. Image finder, profiles, image making, what more is there to wish for, compared to the now crippled DT versions/editions? Once the kernel drivers are installed, I believe they just perform checks during install time, and aborts install till the conflicting softs are removed (removing these apps then reinstalling them after getting the game installed might be ok, but cant confirm) __________________ deviantART \| Blog \| VBA-M \| GeneralEmu \| XTemu \| FMVTool2 \| @ES \| Shendo new NGemu toolbar http://ngemu.ourtoolbar.com

November 13th, 2008, 11:35	#6
Squall-Leonhart Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 23,270	Crack the games, Securom and Star**** kill systems