Windows Xp Professional x64

Somaz · April 28th, 2008, 13:28

Windows XP Professional x64 has the WoW 64 (Windows on Windows 64) system that allows you to run 32-bit programms.

Some people say that Windows XP x64 can't run some of the 32-bit programms, but then what about WoW 64 ?

My question is:
Why are people affraid to change to x64?
I want to do it to increase my max RAM ammount to 4 gb (I have Win XP pro SP2).

What's the prob, if x64 runs fine with the 32-bit applications? Am I getting something wrong? And how is this concerning pcsx2?

**refraction** · April 28th, 2008, 13:54

there isnt any problems with running 32bit programs on XP 64. WoW64 auto kicks in for 32bit programs. the usual "gripe" is drivers, they are even to this day a pain sometimes, althought things are much better than they use to be.

Also PCSX2 runs fine (both versions)

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**cottonvibes** · April 28th, 2008, 13:58

like ref said,
running apps isn't the problem, its drivers (usually)

i use a gamepad driver that they only have a 32bit version of.

so gamming on a 64bit OS, i can't use my gamepad... so it sux0rs :/

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Somaz · April 28th, 2008, 14:44

Why doesn't x64 use WoW for the rivers then

?

**refraction** · April 28th, 2008, 14:49

drivers = hardware abstration layer
apps = application layer.

it works on an application layer level

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KillerShots · April 28th, 2008, 14:55

It's also poorly written programs. Some programs look at the Operating System string, and if it's not the same thing that they're looking for, they refuse to run. Of course, they don't bother checking for the XP 64 string, so you get software that won't run (only because XP 64 is identified as XP 64). I don't see this very often in games (in fact, the last game that did this was way back in the 98/XP transition days), but commercial applications do this. Generally, if the quality control department sucks, you end up with sucky software - it's that simple.

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S.SubZero · April 28th, 2008, 15:19

XP64 actually likes to identify itself as Windows Server 2003, since it's that OS with the server stuff stripped out. XP64 even uses 2003's updates and service packs.

I like XP64 a lot. I do have a couple of devices I can't seem to get drivers for, a webcam and an infrared port on my laptop, but otherwise I've found drivers for everything. It is a bit of a hunt, as XP64 drivers don't tend to be conveniently located. I ended up using drivers meant for other laptops for some of my stuff.

While I see XP64 surviving for a long time (as long as Server 2003) I am not going to use it in the future. I already converted one laptop over to Vista x64, and one has been delegated the "Hackintosh test bed", so the only thing I have XP64 on currently is my gaming desktop. I am thinking of upgrading it, and it will probably get Vista as well.

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ready2rumbelX · April 29th, 2008, 16:39

Honestly speaking, x64 is quite stable and the support is there. I've encountered no problems using XP x64 and it ran flawless (whether x86 or x64 apps).

The only headache of an O/S, that's x64,is Vista. It's stable and runs on the same premise as XP x64 but it's M$'s infuriating "Driver Signing" that's a massive pain in the Buttootoo.

Anyone who's on XP MCE/SP2 x86, i'd recommend switching to x64...if you can.

Although, before doing so, investigate and research into the drivers for all your hardware and software you ususally use...if it all checks out, go for it.

Note: Some software says it doesn't necessarily support x64, but works fine anyway.

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Squall-Leonhart · April 30th, 2008, 16:29

WoW64 can't run all x32 apps, there are a few out there which won't run.

the big issue is XP64 cannot run 16bit apps, so alot of your old ntvdm apps are gone. (use dosbox)

**Xtreme2damax** · April 30th, 2008, 16:48

I've had a few games that refused to install because it kept complaining it wasn't compatible with my version of Windows even though the game ran perfectly fine once installed.

To remedy this problem, I had to make an image of my disc, download orca, manually edit the msi file, replace the msi file on the image with the edited one using MagicISO, mount with Daemon Tools and install.

Quite a workaround just to install a game that refuses to install when it actually works fine once you are able to get it installed.

Other than some small hitches I haven't had any problems running applications on either the 64-bit XP Pro or Vista 64-bit.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · April 30th, 2008, 19:27

You have Vista 64bit now X2DM? I thought you only got XP64?

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**Xtreme2damax** · April 30th, 2008, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

You have Vista 64bit now X2DM? I thought you only got XP64?

Arghhh Matey, walk ze plank.

Yes I got Vista 64 now through hard work and dedication.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · April 30th, 2008, 20:35

So I guess that means your job is workin out for ya? I'm glad for ya.

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April 28th, 2008, 13:28	#1
Somaz Narutard warcraft mapper Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Latvia Posts: 166	Windows Xp Professional x64 Windows XP Professional x64 has the WoW 64 (Windows on Windows 64) system that allows you to run 32-bit programms. Some people say that Windows XP x64 can't run some of the 32-bit programms, but then what about WoW 64 ? My question is: Why are people affraid to change to x64? I want to do it to increase my max RAM ammount to 4 gb (I have Win XP pro SP2). What's the prob, if x64 runs fine with the 32-bit applications? Am I getting something wrong? And how is this concerning pcsx2?

April 28th, 2008, 13:54	#2
refraction PCSX2 Coder $refraction's Avatar$ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 10,037	there isnt any problems with running 32bit programs on XP 64. WoW64 auto kicks in for 32bit programs. the usual "gripe" is drivers, they are even to this day a pain sometimes, althought things are much better than they use to be. Also PCSX2 runs fine (both versions) __________________ http://www.pcsx2.net Intel i7 920 @ 3.4Ghz, POV GTX 570 1.3Gb, 1.8Tb HD space, 6Gb OCZ Reaper PC3-14400 Triple Channel Dont PM me for help, use the forums, thats what its for! My Chip16 Emulator RefChip16 http://code.google.com/p/refchip16/
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April 28th, 2008, 13:58	#3
cottonvibes You're already dead... Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Planet Vegeta Posts: 5,387	like ref said, running apps isn't the problem, its drivers (usually) i use a gamepad driver that they only have a 32bit version of. so gamming on a 64bit OS, i can't use my gamepad... so it sux0rs :/ __________________ "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein check out my blog

April 28th, 2008, 14:44	#4
Somaz Narutard warcraft mapper Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Latvia Posts: 166	Why doesn't x64 use WoW for the rivers then ?

April 28th, 2008, 14:55	#6
KillerShots War Games coder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,927	It's also poorly written programs. Some programs look at the Operating System string, and if it's not the same thing that they're looking for, they refuse to run. Of course, they don't bother checking for the XP 64 string, so you get software that won't run (only because XP 64 is identified as XP 64). I don't see this very often in games (in fact, the last game that did this was way back in the 98/XP transition days), but commercial applications do this. Generally, if the quality control department sucks, you end up with sucky software - it's that simple. __________________ Primary CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Mobo: Biostar N4SLI-A9 RAM: 2G Crucial (DDR400) Video: eVGA GeForce 7900 GTX (512M) Audio: HDA X-Mystique HD(s): Maxtor 300G SATA2, Samsung 400G SATA2 OS(s): WinXP x64 Pro, Vista x32 Ultimate, Gentoo x64 Monitor(s): Primary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Secondary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Tertiary - Zenith 42" Plasma TV (1024x768 res) Many other machines... sig too short

April 28th, 2008, 15:19	#7
S.SubZero Windows 8 Pro Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 1,146	XP64 actually likes to identify itself as Windows Server 2003, since it's that OS with the server stuff stripped out. XP64 even uses 2003's updates and service packs. I like XP64 a lot. I do have a couple of devices I can't seem to get drivers for, a webcam and an infrared port on my laptop, but otherwise I've found drivers for everything. It is a bit of a hunt, as XP64 drivers don't tend to be conveniently located. I ended up using drivers meant for other laptops for some of my stuff. While I see XP64 surviving for a long time (as long as Server 2003) I am not going to use it in the future. I already converted one laptop over to Vista x64, and one has been delegated the "Hackintosh test bed", so the only thing I have XP64 on currently is my gaming desktop. I am thinking of upgrading it, and it will probably get Vista as well. __________________ -SSZ

April 29th, 2008, 16:39	#8
ready2rumbelX InnarX Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Borderline InSAnE Posts: 2,750	Honestly speaking, x64 is quite stable and the support is there. I've encountered no problems using XP x64 and it ran flawless (whether x86 or x64 apps). The only headache of an O/S, that's x64,is Vista. It's stable and runs on the same premise as XP x64 but it's M$'s infuriating "Driver Signing" that's a massive pain in the Buttootoo. Anyone who's on XP MCE/SP2 x86, i'd recommend switching to x64...if you can. Although, before doing so, investigate and research into the drivers for all your hardware and software you ususally use...if it all checks out, go for it. Note: Some software says it doesn't necessarily support x64, but works fine anyway. r2rX __________________ ___________________________________________ -Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.8Ghz -MSi Big Bang X-Power Mobo -6GB Corsair Dominator GT -MSI GTX 680 2GB -Windows 8 (x64) + Linux Mint Debian Edition (x64) -Realtek HD (ALC889)

April 30th, 2008, 16:29	#9
Squall-Leonhart Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 23,270	WoW64 can't run all x32 apps, there are a few out there which won't run. the big issue is XP64 cannot run 16bit apps, so alot of your old ntvdm apps are gone. (use dosbox)

April 30th, 2008, 16:48	#10
Xtreme2damax Mr. Technological Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Auburn, New York Posts: 4,433	I've had a few games that refused to install because it kept complaining it wasn't compatible with my version of Windows even though the game ran perfectly fine once installed. To remedy this problem, I had to make an image of my disc, download orca, manually edit the msi file, replace the msi file on the image with the edited one using MagicISO, mount with Daemon Tools and install. Quite a workaround just to install a game that refuses to install when it actually works fine once you are able to get it installed. Other than some small hitches I haven't had any problems running applications on either the 64-bit XP Pro or Vista 64-bit. __________________

April 30th, 2008, 19:27	#11
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,660	You have Vista 64bit now X2DM? I thought you only got XP64? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

April 30th, 2008, 20:35	#13
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,660	So I guess that means your job is workin out for ya? I'm glad for ya. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!