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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

I'm sure pretty much everyone doesn't care. Everyone aside from the author/s that is. And what it comes down to is the old emulation whipping horse of respect for the emu authors. You might just want to play games but you must respect that they actually want to preserve the system and that that is more important than you being able to play your illegally downloaded game on your hunk of junk system. They owe us bugger all (aside from Jabo) so be happy that the stuff that works works and report that stuff that doesn't and hope it's fixed and if it's not then that's just simply too bad so sad.

This entire thread arose because someone felt the need to tell an emulation author that the purest ideal in all of emulation is baloney and that he should corrupt that ideal. That's a distinct lack of respect.

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[the_randomizer]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

I'm sure pretty much everyone doesn't care. Everyone aside from the author/s that is. And what it comes down to is the old emulation whipping horse of respect for the emu authors. You might just want to play games but you must respect that they actually want to preserve the system and that that is more important than you being able to play your illegally downloaded game on your hunk of junk system. They owe us bugger all (aside from Jabo) so be happy that the stuff that works works and report that stuff that doesn't and hope it's fixed and if it's not then that's just simply too bad so sad.

This entire thread arose because someone felt the need to tell an emulation author that the purest ideal in all of emulation is baloney and that he should corrupt that ideal. That's a distinct lack of respect.

Even so, if I have an opinion, I sure as hell shouldn't have to put up with that s**t, but whatever. I never said there's anything wrong with 100% accuracy, all I said that I shouldn't have to have a Core 2 E8400 to run an Snes emulator. How is that "disrespectful"? And by telling people that Snes9x is better than Zsnes and why is shouldn't be used, that's disrespectful too?

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

I don't think Byuu cares about either of those two emus as he's working on his own he clearly feels they just don't get the job done so they're beside the point.

However as for Byuu you basically have to look at it like 100% Accuracy is religion and he's a religious fanatic. Anything you say contrary to that religion or belittling it is essentially an attack on the religion and religious extremists take that sort of thing VERY poorly.

All that matters to him is 100% Accuracy. By suggesting it requires too much juice you're saying it isn't worth it and then you're not worth Byuu's time thus GTFO his forum.


Note by the way not everything I've said in all these posts is 100% my view. I sort of gravitate between my view and the extreme I reckon Byuu follows.


Basically think of Byuu as Mudlord and your suggestion as a suggestion that it's ok if something isn't 100% optimized.

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[the_randomizer]

Couldn't have said it any better.

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Seeing as I mentioned Jabo up there I figured I'd take a look and see if anything changed and apparently it has I just missed it. Jabo has payed his debt (or at least says he has which is as good as we'll get).
http://www.jabosoft.com/articles/115

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[the_randomizer]

Thank goodness the 1.6 source code was released, since 1.7 will never see the light of day. But back on topic, I'm almost tempted to deter the average end user to not use Bsnes, but then again, why would I want to bring myself down to Byuu's level?

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

The average end user won't use BSNES (or whatever the heck it's name is now which I've already forgotten) even without your prompting because the average end user has a crap system where BSNES will chug.

Also one has to be tolerant of religious fanatics.

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[the_randomizer]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

The average end user won't use BSNES (or whatever the heck it's name is now which I've already forgotten) even without your prompting because the average end user has a crap system where BSNES will chug.

Also one has to be tolerant of religious fanatics.

*Sigh* You're right.

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[KrossX]

Or~~~~~ maybe it has nothing to do with your opinion on any emulator but instead, and assuming it's deliberate and targeted, he saw your username as new registerd user and just doesn't want you posting in his forum. In a general way.

Sounds like a reasonable reason to me.

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[Linktothepast]

Well, see it this way, the guy spent considerable amount of time and some money probably for what he believes, and you go there in his own webpage telling him that what he already did ain't worth it in a sense. Even "if" you were correct (i am not saying that you are), it wouldn't be easy to accept your reasoning or even take it lightly, so he just banned you. It is like hitting someones weak point, he will probably overreact in retaliation.

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[the_randomizer]

The funny thing is, I never had a chance to actually post on his forum, but on other emulation sites (like here, EmuCR, etc) and must have seen said posts.

Perhaps videos promoting Bsnes would....nah, never mind, doing so would be a lost cause.

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[_E_]

I am not here to start a fight but after seeing this discussion prop up several times I personally think you should give it a rest. The fact that such trivial matters are bothering you means you need focus on bigger things in life. Not to mention your inability to interact in basic human courtesy or comprehend why people react to you this way is just...surreal. Seriously, I really don't get your problem.

People have the choice to choose whatever emu or whatever programming approach they feel like doing. He's not compelled to listen to you, even if you were right!
His program, his work, his decision. Hell if he wants to convert it into a Sony emu for all I care, that's his prerogative.
If I was in his shoes and someone was nagging me about some volunteer work that I invested money, time and effort to do then I would do the same. Shut the door in front of the needless headache, the last thing I need is someone to argue with.

IIRC, You had the same attitude towards No$gba.
Learn to be grateful to what you have, hardware-accurate emulators was something beyond imagination a decade ago, now it's available for free for your own convenience.
I don't like the way he's heading with the project myself but I can still appreciate his work.
If being grateful is such a hard thing for you to do, then at least respect their effort, or bare-minimum, stop bad-mouthing volunteer work!!

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[Squall-Lionh@rt]

Originally Posted by the_randomizer

Thank goodness the 1.6 source code was released, since 1.7 will never see the light of day. But back on topic, I'm almost tempted to deter the average end user to not use Bsnes, but then again, why would I want to bring myself down to Byuu's level?

the 1.7 as we have tested will never see release.

but project64's official development has not ceased

[Strike105X]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

I'm sure pretty much everyone doesn't care. Everyone aside from the author/s that is. And what it comes down to is the old emulation whipping horse of respect for the emu authors. You might just want to play games but you must respect that they actually want to preserve the system and that that is more important than you being able to play your illegally downloaded game on your hunk of junk system. They owe us bugger all (aside from Jabo) so be happy that the stuff that works works and report that stuff that doesn't and hope it's fixed and if it's not then that's just simply too bad so sad.

This entire thread arose because someone felt the need to tell an emulation author that the purest ideal in all of emulation is baloney and that he should corrupt that ideal. That's a distinct lack of respect.

Btw if that's meant for me as well, know that i was only addressing the part where wanting to play your games as best as possible makes you a pirate... what i said had nothing to do with the current thread, just with that statement. Since as far as the current thread goes my opinion is a simple one its Byuu's emulator his free to do whatever he wants with it, if he wants 100% accuracy well good luck to him in achieving it, there's lots of alternative emulators out there for those seeking just to play there games, dunno why their so stuck on Byuu's (which is a good one but the focus is clear).

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Originally Posted by Strike105X

Btw if that's meant for me as well, know that i was only addressing the part where wanting to play your games as best as possible makes you a pirate... what i said had nothing to do with the current thread, just with that statement. Since as far as the current thread goes my opinion is a simple one its Byuu's emulator his free to do whatever he wants with it, if he wants 100% accuracy well good luck to him in achieving it, there's lots of alternative emulators out there for those seeking just to play there games, dunno why their so stuck on Byuu's (which is a good one but the focus is clear).

Well it was in reply to you but when I said you I didn't actually mean you personally but using one or someone just didn't feel right in the statement and would have made it too vague.

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[KrossX]

Just stumbled on THIS, and with the following...

Originally Posted by _E_

[...]
If I was in his shoes and someone was nagging me about some volunteer work that I invested money, time and effort to do then I would do the same. Shut the door in front of the needless headache, the last thing I need is someone to argue with.
[...]

... plus THIS, it would make total sense!

#PS: Go _E_ !!

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[haxatax]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Also technically if you don't agree with 100% accuracy then you're siding with pirates because it simply being able to play games is more important to you which is NOT the true goal of emulation that being digital preservation of the original hardware (100% accuracy). So it could be you were banned not out of spite but for ethical reasons.

Not true. Emulator authors can have thier own morals and goals, aside from accuracy. Its byuu being the prickly pear in this case for not respecting other author's goals. mudlord is the same for not respecting byuu's in that case.

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Who cares as long as it works? That's my philosophy.

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[haxatax]

Exactly. The author is free to do as they want. Doesn't make any position any more "wrong" or "right".

The day end users start telling developers how to code will be a sad day indeed....oh wait.