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[thelittlegumnut]

just wondering if anyone knows what the best way to go is, in terms of learning computer science, or electronics. i know a fair amount of c++ and i'm pretty good with computers in general, but what do I do now? is there any good books i can read to help me learn what's going on at an assembly level? or even hardware level? possibly delving into binary? is there any other good, consistent source of information other than lectures at universities? cause i don't go yet. any recommendations? sincerely, thelittlegumnoob.

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[KrossX]

Maybe something like this?

http://www.gamezero.com/team-0/artic...h_magic/micro/
http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/index.htm (I use this one quite often as reference)

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Originally Posted by KrossX

Maybe something like this?

http://www.gamezero.com/team-0/artic...h_magic/micro/
http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/index.htm (I use this one quite often as reference)

ha! seems interesting. thanks for the reply

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Moved to the dev section since although it's not as active as the open discussion where you posted it's more appropriate and these days there are a couple of people who you'd want an opinion from who are almost exclusively active in this section (although there's not guarantee that someone like Ref will respond at least there's a better chance if it's here).

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[thelittlegumnut]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Moved to the dev section since although it's not as active as the open discussion where you posted it's more appropriate and these days there are a couple of people who you'd want an opinion from who are almost exclusively active in this section (although there's not guarantee that someone like Ref will respond at least there's a better chance if it's here).

ahh yeah fair enough.

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[-Ashe-]

I found IDA (the disassembler) to be quite nice for learning/understanding assembler (with some reference for the instruction set obviously)... but then I suppose it depends on "how" you usually learn...

[thelittlegumnut]

Originally Posted by -Ashe-

I found IDA (the disassembler) to be quite nice for learning/understanding assembler (with some reference for the instruction set obviously)... but then I suppose it depends on "how" you usually learn...

in terms of how i learn, i teach myself basically. next year, i might get formal lessons. but the info i get is good though, i have a few full, textbooks on c++ and networking that i bought from the university, but i've mostly only read up on programming. the internet's helpful for some things too. then i pretty much just study and practice creating little mini projects for each new thing i learn in it. i also understand basic binary stuff, and memory storage such as how certain types of values are stored in bits and bytes. int, double, char, bool, etc. would continuing to learn circuitry help with anything? also, is it worth going back and learning older assembly? as opposed to skipping straight to 32 bit?

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[GeominorAI]

Have a look at lecture notes and assignments from computer systems courses.

For instance:

• Introduction to Computer Systems
  
• Computer Hardware and Operating Systems

The former introduces assembly while the latter has assignments for implementing a CPU in Java to read a simplified x86-like assembly language. Both seem to provide a debugger GUI.

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[-Ashe-]

Originally Posted by thelittlegumnut

also, is it worth going back and learning older assembly? as opposed to skipping straight to 32 bit?

Most of the "old" assembly is similar to a more recent one (32 or 64-bit), except for the memory model. While learning about that memory model can be interesting, I don't think it'd have any use in "real world" usage...

Personally I'd just go straight to 32 or 64-bit (which are very similar)...

Note: here I'm assuming you mean assembly from an application development point of view, not an operating system, in which case the answer might be slightly different...

[thelittlegumnut]

Originally Posted by GeominorAI

Have a look at lecture notes and assignments from computer systems courses.

For instance:

• Introduction to Computer Systems
  
• Computer Hardware and Operating Systems

The former introduces assembly while the latter has assignments for implementing a CPU in Java to read a simplified x86-like assembly language. Both seem to provide a debugger GUI.

hey that's awesome! i didn't know universities uploaded that kind of stuff for everyone. i suppose i know what to look for now. or what and where to search when looking for this type of info.

Originally Posted by -Ashe-

Most of the "old" assembly is similar to a more recent one (32 or 64-bit), except for the memory model. While learning about that memory model can be interesting, I don't think it'd have any use in "real world" usage...

Personally I'd just go straight to 32 or 64-bit (which are very similar)...

Note: here I'm assuming you mean assembly from an application development point of view, not an operating system, in which case the answer might be slightly different...

yeah, that's kinda what i was thinking. i'd like to know both aspects you mentioned hehe, but i guess it's a little ambitious at this point.

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[Dax]

Wise from your gwave~..

Anyway, if you're still interested in the assembly stuff, the MOS 6502 cpu(used in a lot of 80's computers and consoles like NES/TG-16) is a relatively easy system to learn assembly for. There're entire communities over at 6502.org and nesdev.parodius.com(much smaller than 6502.org, but the guys there know a LOT about the 6502/2A03(the custom 6502 in the NES) that talk about it).

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[thelittlegumnut]

Originally Posted by Dax

Wise from your gwave~..

Anyway, if you're still interested in the assembly stuff, the MOS 6502 cpu(used in a lot of 80's computers and consoles like NES/TG-16) is a relatively easy system to learn assembly for. There're entire communities over at 6502.org and nesdev.parodius.com(much smaller than 6502.org, but the guys there know a LOT about the 6502/2A03(the custom 6502 in the NES) that talk about it).

hey, thanks for the link and taking notice of this thread after this time. yeah, i've always been interested in the NES so this is a good start.

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[Dax]

No problem. There's even a C compiler for the NES, btw, but just keep in mind the NES only has 2KB of internal RAM, unless you base your ROM projects around mappers that provide an additional 8K, and you can't do everything in C(interrupts, and a couple other things).

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