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Lasnap · March 5th, 2013, 22:17

I am already usuing Linus and xbmc for my HTPC and will more then likely at the very least dualboot windows 7 and linux on my main PC if windows just goes down the completely wrong path that windows 8 seems to be taking it already.

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**Hard core Rikki** · March 5th, 2013, 22:59

You clearly didnt check Ubuntu's recent plans, people are ragequitting linux back to windows over the madness.

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Lasnap · March 5th, 2013, 23:44

I do not use Ubuntu I personally use PCLinuxOS instead. There are far more distros then Ubuntu out there you know.

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Cheesus · March 6th, 2013, 09:30

Just dropping in to say that once you install a start menu, Windows 8 is great. I'm using Start8 to do that - but there are free alternatives which I hear are decent.

It's a shame they took it away from their out of the box experience - but it's super easily remedied.

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Phil · March 6th, 2013, 10:05

Yep. I install classic Shell onto every Win 8 machine that I fix these days. It's much better after that.

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redlofredlof · March 6th, 2013, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Phil

Yep. I install classic Shell onto every Win 8 machine that I fix these days. It's much better after that.

what's a classic shell?

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**@ruantec** · March 6th, 2013, 12:16

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Originally Posted by redlofredlof

what's a classic shell?

In my opinion the best startmenu ever made for windows. It's open source and highly configurable.... it's just amazing.

http://www.classicshell.net/

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You clearly didnt check Ubuntu's recent plans, people are ragequitting linux back to windows over the madness.

That is the reasony why i stopped using ubuntu as the experience is bad this days in comparison to older build. Ironically enough the latest version refuse to install on my computer so i tried Mint 14 and i really love it! everything works as it should and quite smooth. Zero complaints so far while porting my code and using it.

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Samor · March 6th, 2013, 13:41

I read that Mint is kind of "the new Ubuntu" anyway.

Should MS really attempt to kill off the desktop in a future Windows version, I know where to go...

**@ruantec** · March 6th, 2013, 13:50

Mint 14 comes with a startmenu that is similar to the Windows 7 startmenu. It has different features and functionalities but it's pretty much the same in it's look and behaviour. Also the whole enviroment is quite user friendly for a Linux enviroment. The only thing that need to change are the development tools as those are nothing but terrible. However there is one tool that is slowly gaining @ruan's heart and that is QT5 which in combination with QML and C++ it pretty much offer the awesomeness that can be found under windows with C# and WPF.

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cognositivo · March 6th, 2013, 17:36

I'm glad you had become more critical of the operating system you use and that you are trying new things. Please don't come back a few months later saying how everybody who doesn't like your new operating system is wrong.

**@ruantec** · March 6th, 2013, 17:48

I still have the same opinion as before regarding Windows 8 i just gave up discussing with People about it... also i got more open for new Systems and enviroments this days as part of my current development and changes in my life.

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runawayprisoner · March 6th, 2013, 20:42

New app brings... windows to Windows!

Oh God...

Lasnap · March 6th, 2013, 21:02

Wonder how long before we see a free and/or open sourced version of that app considering we have classic shell which is basically an open sourced start menu unlike their start8 which doesn't even have as many features as classic shell does. SO I would gladly go classic shell over start8 just for the amount of features that classic shell has over start8

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**@ruantec** · March 6th, 2013, 21:08

Most of stardocks tricks are well known to me and i can reproduce a big amount of there stuff myself... makes me think that i should start my own Company one day and start Fixing Windows and bringing apps with taste to Linux. Stardock is making Money from People necessity that is.... most of there stuff can be reproduced by me with very few lines of code and they ask for money.... Jesus.....

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GeominorAI · March 7th, 2013, 16:08

-> Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed | ZDNet

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**@ruantec** · March 7th, 2013, 16:20

I gave up on the discussion but the whole anti-Windows 8 thingy is kinda tiresome... no wonder isn't doing well.... the whole world this days listen way too much to the media and get excited because of Hype. However i don't deny that MS Team have some serious design Problems this days...

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Strike105X · March 7th, 2013, 17:09

I wont lie, i'm rather happy that it doesn't do well, in a way it is sad cause under the hood performance wise it is indeed quite an improvement, but their choice of interface is something that will never appeal to me.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · March 12th, 2013, 14:57

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Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

New app brings... windows to Windows!

Oh God...

Haha, that Windows would ever require a DXWnd style app to actually make it run stuff in windows is something I would never have guessed.

I hope MS takes notice because here someone is adding the very thing back that made Windows what it is in the first place.

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-> Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed | ZDNet

It's like I wrote that article myself.

Although to be fair Vista had 4 big things going for it that 8 never had the advantage of.

1. DX10, probably the main reason why I felt myself forced to to pick Vista over XP back when I first assembled this comp. Win8 had no new DX to lure gamers with.

2. 64bit Vista > 64bit XP. More RAM was becoming necessary so people needed a 64bit OS and XP64 had a rather terrible rep plus who wants to buy the same OS they already have again just to support an extra stick of RAM or two. Win7 64bit however already does that job fine so no need for Win8 64bit.

4. Proper multi-core support was promised in Vista and so anyone with a new underused C2D or C2Q was eager to make the jump. Unfortunately those processors didn't actually have enough oomph to run the OS nicely but that was discovered only once a fair bunch of people had already bought Vista. 7 already does all the perfectly though so no need for 8.

3. Longhorn, everyone/lots of people wanted the Vista look long before it even became an option. Win8 might also look new and different but not exactly in a positive way.

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**@ruantec** · March 12th, 2013, 15:10

Windows 8 failure have two reasons:

1. Microsoft team have some serious design problem
2. It's failing because of people's failure to move on

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Strike105X · March 12th, 2013, 15:38

point 1 nullifies point 2, in other words if i'm given something proper to move on i will move on...

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March 5th, 2013, 22:17	#1921
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,874	I am already usuing Linus and xbmc for my HTPC and will more then likely at the very least dualboot windows 7 and linux on my main PC if windows just goes down the completely wrong path that windows 8 seems to be taking it already. __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!

March 5th, 2013, 22:59	#1922
Hard core Rikki Moving into the beat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Perpetual Hawaii Posts: 11,297	You clearly didnt check Ubuntu's recent plans, people are ragequitting linux back to windows over the madness. __________________ deviantART \| Blog \| VBA-M \| GeneralEmu \| XTemu \| FMVTool2 \| @ES \| Shendo new NGemu toolbar http://ngemu.ourtoolbar.com

March 5th, 2013, 23:44	#1923
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,874	I do not use Ubuntu I personally use PCLinuxOS instead. There are far more distros then Ubuntu out there you know. __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!

March 6th, 2013, 09:30	#1924
Cheesus Curiously Cheddar Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 2,078	Just dropping in to say that once you install a start menu, Windows 8 is great. I'm using Start8 to do that - but there are free alternatives which I hear are decent. It's a shame they took it away from their out of the box experience - but it's super easily remedied. __________________ Desktop: Core i5 2500K @ 4.2Ghz; Radeon HD 6870 1GB; 8Gb 1333Mhz; 1.75Gb Seagate HD; 128Gb OCZ Vertex 4; 23" LS23A350HS; 24" LS24A350HS; Windows 8 Pro 64bit Lenovo x121e: Core i3 2367M; Intel HD3000; 4Gb 1333Mhz; 128Gb OCZ Vertex 4; 11" Matte Display; Windows 8 Pro 64bit

March 6th, 2013, 10:05	#1925
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Yep. I install classic Shell onto every Win 8 machine that I fix these days. It's much better after that. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

March 6th, 2013, 13:41	#1928
Samor crill stazy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NL Posts: 7,609	I read that Mint is kind of "the new Ubuntu" anyway. Should MS really attempt to kill off the desktop in a future Windows version, I know where to go...

March 6th, 2013, 13:50	#1929
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,119	Mint 14 comes with a startmenu that is similar to the Windows 7 startmenu. It has different features and functionalities but it's pretty much the same in it's look and behaviour. Also the whole enviroment is quite user friendly for a Linux enviroment. The only thing that need to change are the development tools as those are nothing but terrible. However there is one tool that is slowly gaining @ruan's heart and that is QT5 which in combination with QML and C++ it pretty much offer the awesomeness that can be found under windows with C# and WPF. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6 Last edited by @ruantec; March 6th, 2013 at 14:24..

March 6th, 2013, 17:36	#1930
cognositivo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 98	I'm glad you had become more critical of the operating system you use and that you are trying new things. Please don't come back a few months later saying how everybody who doesn't like your new operating system is wrong.

March 6th, 2013, 17:48	#1931
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,119	I still have the same opinion as before regarding Windows 8 i just gave up discussing with People about it... also i got more open for new Systems and enviroments this days as part of my current development and changes in my life. __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

March 6th, 2013, 20:42	#1932
runawayprisoner Level 9998 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Java Posts: 9,377	New app brings... windows to Windows! Oh God...

March 6th, 2013, 21:02	#1933
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,874	Wonder how long before we see a free and/or open sourced version of that app considering we have classic shell which is basically an open sourced start menu unlike their start8 which doesn't even have as many features as classic shell does. SO I would gladly go classic shell over start8 just for the amount of features that classic shell has over start8 __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!

March 6th, 2013, 21:08	#1934
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,119	Most of stardocks tricks are well known to me and i can reproduce a big amount of there stuff myself... makes me think that i should start my own Company one day and start Fixing Windows and bringing apps with taste to Linux. Stardock is making Money from People necessity that is.... most of there stuff can be reproduced by me with very few lines of code and they ask for money.... Jesus..... __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

March 7th, 2013, 16:08	#1935
GeominorAI @Chamber of Understanding Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: System Server Posts: 787	-> Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed \| ZDNet __________________ Computational intelligence must be implemented on a parallel architecture

March 7th, 2013, 16:20	#1936
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,119	I gave up on the discussion but the whole anti-Windows 8 thingy is kinda tiresome... no wonder isn't doing well.... the whole world this days listen way too much to the media and get excited because of Hype. However i don't deny that MS Team have some serious design Problems this days... __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

March 7th, 2013, 17:09	#1937
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,697	I wont lie, i'm rather happy that it doesn't do well, in a way it is sad cause under the hood performance wise it is indeed quite an improvement, but their choice of interface is something that will never appeal to me. __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

March 12th, 2013, 15:10	#1939
@ruantec Crazy GFX coder Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dominican Republic/Austria Posts: 8,119	Windows 8 failure have two reasons: 1. Microsoft team have some serious design problem 2. It's failing because of people's failure to move on __________________ Current development tools: Visual C++.net, Visual C#.net Visual VB.net, Visual Webdeveloper.net Bloodshed Dev C++, Borland C++ Visual Basic 6

March 12th, 2013, 15:38	#1940
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,697	point 1 nullifies point 2, in other words if i'm given something proper to move on i will move on... __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config