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[Samor]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

And I'm 101% sure you won't be disappointed. One X is an awesome phone.

it's in, and I like it so far

[Silenus]

I like Surface too.
Would love to try it.

You can see the synergy.

I think It'll be like what the nexus line is to Google although done inhouse.

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[@ruantec]

Yeah... even if i don't like Metro that much surface does look great and at the same time seems to have an excellent build quality. I want the PRO version tho.

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[Bill_gates]

Could be a great alternative for people who dont want climb aboard the Apple slave ship

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Certainly does seem like an interesting concept.

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[Demigod]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

Yeah... even if i don't like Metro that much surface does look great and at the same time seems to have an excellent build quality. I want the PRO version tho.

Yeah, I'd like to get the pro version as well. The inclusion of a keyboard in the case is particularly attractive - soft keyboards suck so very much (a keyboard is something I still miss from my Touch Pro 2 days).

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[@ruantec]

I have some doubts about the keyboard... is just too flat and somehow i can't imagine typing well on it unless there is some sort of feedback. I bought a very thin keyboard for my HTPC and i have to say that is pretty unconfortable to type but it does the job.

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I can type as lon gas it isn't this type of keyboard:


^Those things should die in a fire.

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[@ruantec]

After watching the keynote and getting more information about surface i have to say that i really like it. In fact i personally think the tablet has the best tablet design i've ever seen since tablets appeared. At the sime time i think the size is perfect too as its not too thin or too thick and also robust enough to give you the feeling that is not going to break anytime soon. Seriously i think MS did a fantastic job there and hope Windows 8 will be good for tablets, time will tell...

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[ozzgx4]

Is there news of when it is going to be released?

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[Silenus]

WIndows 8 is projected to be released in October, Surface on ARM will be released in that time and Surface with Windows 8 Pro will be released 3 months after give or take.

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[runawayprisoner]

Well, look what happened during the weekend? I just got on a trip oversea, so I can't follow tech news much.

Microsoft Surface? Well, I'll wait and see how that plays out.

But I get a feeling it won't end well. Here's one hint:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/30...ers-no-comment

And here's another:
http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/14/micros...et-vendors-85/

Microsoft's utmost effort at trying to simulate Apple and their greed at trying to recoup loss look pretty fugly IMO. They could have handled the situation better.

[Demigod]

Originally Posted by Silenus

WIndows 8 is projected to be released in October, Surface on ARM will be released in that time and Surface with Windows 8 Pro will be released 3 months after give or take.

I just hope there are no delays or setbacks. I'm positively sure that I will be buying one of these tablets at the earliest opportunity (from the start I've always wanted a good Windows-based tablet so I find this development extremely positive).

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[runawayprisoner]

While it's a positive move for consumers (they finally get to have something aside from an iPad), I don't think it's a smart move for Microsoft at all.

Microsoft is playing hardball here. They are basically saying to ALL OEMs (that include Dell, HP, IBM, Acer, Toshiba, etc...): "**** you! Again, ****, you! We're making our own tablets now! Bye!"

And guess what? Someone responded:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...85K17Y20120621

I guess Microsoft is just tired of OEMs screwing them over with hardwares (and it's true OEMs have been screwing Microsoft over with hardware), but really, they could have handled the situation better IMO.

Goes on to show that Microsoft finally realized their nice software won't be able to match up to Apple's almost-godly-designed hardwares at all. I kept saying that, but it's nice to see Microsoft finally agreed with me.

But this whole Surface thing is just ugly. Rushed, uncalculated, and unorganized. It seems like someone came up with the idea like... last week. The presentation itself seemed weak as well.

Originally Posted by @ruantec

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On the contrary, I think Microsoft should have done something like this ages ago. You know... the friggin' Courier!

But it's not the "concept" or "idea" that's bad. it's the way Microsoft presented it to the world. They just made enemies of all of their OEM partners.

[@ruantec]

What MS did this time is something they were *sort* of forced to do. The main problem nowdays is that a lot of companies are out of ideas or probably don't take the risk of trying something new. Since tablets started to boom some companies just forgot about MS not to mention the design of those tablets have been terrible except for the HP and Samsung one. Because of that i believe MS had no choice but to come out with a device of there own to show how things are done and hoping that other companies will move there lazy asses and come up with something competitive.

Design-wise i think it beats the Samsung slate 7 and with it reaches the top for me design-wise. There are some nice android tablets and even your beloved iPad have a nice design as well but surface is to me just perfect and the way a tablet should've been. The standard stand and keyboard are just fantastic and the USB 3 support for the pro version is nothing but awesome as well.... something iOS and Android users can only dream of right now

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[runawayprisoner]

Yeah, it's a great idea. But again, Microsoft is literally making enemies of everyone else, including the OEMs who have helped them get to the dominating position that they are enjoying right now. I don't think that'll spell well for Microsoft in the long run... because whether they like it or not, the OEMs still hold a certain position in the market. Combined, all of those OEMs have more presence than either Apple and Microsoft.

They could have outed the Surface as a reference tablet, sort of like what Google did with the Nexus series.

As an aside, Android users do get USB 2.0 support. Right now. And they don't have to wait until... next year to get their hands on that.

Plus Microsoft still hasn't pushed an answer to the iPad's uber resolution. They have just introduced some nicely designed Windows tablets, essentially.

It's a good move for "Microsoft", again, but I don't think you can safely say that it's a clear answer to the iPad. From now until Surface release, Apple has plenty of time to pack more into the iPad 4. And if the Retina MBP has shown anything, it's that Apple seems willing to pack more ports (USB 3.0 and HDMI). That's the scary part.

[@ruantec]

I personally don't think they are making enemies here but more setting standards in there areas that other can follow. As i mentioned in my previous posts i think OEMs are just out of ideas and a lot of there devices are nothing but ugly. By making standards they can at least send a message that says "do it better". At the same time they don't have to wait forever until a OEM come with something competitive and give the enemy even more room.

Answer to the uber resolution???? seriously.... for that???? while is a great thing is still useless for now and its going to take a while to really get there... at that point in time we will have far better devices.

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[runawayprisoner]

If they wanted to make standards, they could have at least made some guidelines and informed other OEMs before the presentation. It's courtesy...

The fact is that they just put together a shotgun presentation and announced that they had better devices than OEMs. That's very rude. If I was your partner, and then suddenly you come out with a product and say that what I have made with you up until now sucks balls, then I'd be upset, too.

Even Apple with their secretive nature still informs developers and partners ahead of time about upcoming devices.

And note that it's not me with that thought. It's everyone else, and the OEMs themselves.

And whether you like it or not, the uber resolution is still a feature. The fact is just simple: Microsoft still hasn't provided a clear answer to Apple's uber resolution yet. Apple is about the only company in the entire world right now with the engineering capability to churn out those displays.

Maybe it's useless now, but if Microsoft doesn't include it as standard feature for their 1.0 product, it'd take a long time for developers to adopt. Prime example? Look at the iPad 3. Being as popular as the iPad is, how long do you think it'll take for the Surface to adopt such a resolution? If and when Microsoft is able to manufacture one at all... that is.

[Lasnap]

And yet Apple isnt the maker of the high res displays themselves they out source that to other companies

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