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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

You only install the OS and perhaps one game on the SSD. Everything else runs off your traditional HDDs.

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[Princess Garnet]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

0_o I always thought Nehalem i7s were hexacores for some odd reason, nevermind that point then.

Yeah then a i7-2600K would indeed be his best choice.

Nehalem was quad core with Hyper-threading. It was pretty terrible with power and heat and it probably couldn't afford an extra two cores. Gulftown was the six core version (also with Hyper-threading) that came out when Nahalem got a die shrink, and to give you an idea of the power drop, an overclocked Gulftown uses less raw power than an overclocked Nehalem (at stock they are similar, but consider the Gulftown is often clocked higher), and considering Gulftown has 50% more cores, that's quite the efficiency difference.

His Core i7 920 is also at stock, and to give you an idea of performance there, my old Core 2 Duo E8600 (also at stock) could often outpace in games where the Core 2 Duo wasn't core limited.

That's why an upgrade wouldn't be an entire waste; just what he was looking at wasn't perhaps the best choice.

Originally Posted by DarkSamus

I haven't considered a SSD guys because currently with all my software installed my OS drive is 260GB full.

I have been avoiding getting one until 512GB SSD's are priced lower.

Ah, I thought you had one.

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

You only install the OS and perhaps one game on the SSD. Everything else runs off your traditional HDDs.

I'd install Windows, programs, and your files/data on the SSD and games on the HDD (save games that benefit greatly and/or fit on the SSD).

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[n_w95482]

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

I thought I was the one to suggest an LGA 1155 system? Everyone else was just saying the upgrade he proposed wasn't worth it.

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

SSD was my suggestion

This. Sorry for the lack of clarification. LGA 1155 was mentioned by multiple people, but not an SSD, which is why I pointed that out in particular. I also feel more strongly about having an SSD versus the LGA 1155/2011 debate. There's a reason why I've been buying SSDs left and right .

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

And perhaps he's actually done stuff (encoding) that made use of all 6 cores so he'd notice and perhaps regret the core reduction.

That's why I mentioned those things in my previous post . If he does that stuff frequently, great, LGA 2011 may be a better fit. I did a 46-hour batch encode project once, and it was definitely noticeable having six cores on my machine as opposed to four, but I doubt most people would do something like that.

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

You only install the OS and perhaps one game on the SSD. Everything else runs off your traditional HDDs.

This. 512 GB SSDs aren't really a good deal, and probably won't be for a while. Sometimes you can get a decent deal on a 256 GB SSD.

A tiered storage setup is your best bet for using them. Here's an example of what I have set up:



I have my software and OS running on the SSD (but not the pagefile, so that frees up 12 GB. Turn off hibernation too!), with two games currently on it: Diablo III and WoW. Those use a little over 30 GB. My VelociRaptor is solely used for my Steam collection. My RAID holds the rest of my stuff (basic file storage, backups, WoW beta).

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Nehalem was quad core with Hyper-threading. It was pretty terrible with power and heat and it probably couldn't afford an extra two cores. Gulftown was the six core version (also with Hyper-threading) that came out when Nahalem got a die shrink, and to give you an idea of the power drop, an overclocked Gulftown uses less raw power than an overclocked Nehalem (at stock they are similar, but consider the Gulftown is often clocked higher), and considering Gulftown has 50% more cores, that's quite the efficiency difference.

There's also Nehalem-EX (and Westmere-EX for that matter). Granted, it's not consumer-level hardware and it's clocked rather low, but it's eight cores of Nehalem goodness .

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[DarkSamus]

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Ah, I thought you had one. I'd install Windows, programs, and your files/data on the SSD and games on the HDD (save games that benefit greatly and/or fit on the SSD).

I had one about 2 years ago and they were not as good back then (Read speed was awesome but Write speeds were about the same as HDD's).

I haven't considered getting another one since then. (Although I have been curious of the PCI-E ones but they are crazy expensive still)

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260GB just software and Windows installation???? what in God's name do you install on your C drive that use that much of space??? i'm asking because i bought a 120GB+ SSD and even after installing Photoshop, office, Visual Studio 2010, Expression Studio and a lot of small programs i still had 70GB+ of free space which was reduced to 30GB after copying all my music for testing.

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[Princess Garnet]

That may include his games.

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Yep, that's including all my games

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[@ruantec]

Why not in a different HDD??? usually games store some small information in the system but the big files are stored in the place you select. My brother in law does that and he has tons of PC games installed in a different HDD.

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[Lasnap]

Windows plus all my programs including my pc games only take up about 216GB of my 250GB HDD but then again I dont have that many recent games and I dont have any games on steam either I am not a steam horder like a lot of you guys seem to be most of my games are from gog.com which has mainly older games that are normaly only a single cd or 2 so most of my games are less then 2-3gb in size so for me a 256gb SSD would be perfect but the price is a bit more then 120GB ssds and the price of 120gb ssds falls to about the same price as 1TB HDDs.

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[Princess Garnet]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

Why not in a different HDD???

There's no need to unless you have to.

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Well... i personally use my SSD for Windows and standard/development applications only. I need a speed start(around 10 secs) and not space for games

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[Princess Garnet]

You asked DarkSamus why his games weren't on another drive, and my response was that there was no need because he probably has the space for them.

Originally Posted by @ruantec

I need a speed start(around 10 secs)

I would almost never fully power down my PC. I would use Sleep mode.

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SandForce 2200+ drives will rape the living daylights out of the early gen drives.

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[n_w95482]

Originally Posted by DarkSamus

I had one about 2 years ago and they were not as good back then (Read speed was awesome but Write speeds were about the same as HDD's).

I haven't considered getting another one since then. (Although I have been curious of the PCI-E ones but they are crazy expensive still)

If you're referring to sequential write speed, that's not the main benefit of an SSD. Random read/write is where you'll see the biggest gains. That said, most high-end newer drives will do over 400 MB/sec sequential writing.

Edit: Here's some tests from my Vertex 3. Keep in mind I'm running it through a Marvell 6 Gbps controller (the 88SE9128) on my motherboard, so it's a bit slower than a native 6 Gbps chipset.

Random/incompressible data (worst-case for a SandForce drive):

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :   370.915 MB/s
          Sequential Write :   193.411 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :   331.994 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :   116.780 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) :    20.368 MB/s [  4972.6 IOPS]
   Random Write 4KB (QD=1) :    61.802 MB/s [ 15088.3 IOPS]
   Random Read 4KB (QD=32) :   163.542 MB/s [ 39927.3 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=32) :   168.959 MB/s [ 41249.8 IOPS]

  Test : 1000 MB [C: 55.1% (61.5/111.7 GB)] (x5)
  Date : 2012/05/31 19:49:07
    OS : Windows 7  SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

All zeroes/compressible data (best-case for a SandForce drive):

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :   379.369 MB/s
          Sequential Write :   247.861 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :   340.944 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :   245.924 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) :    22.554 MB/s [  5506.2 IOPS]
   Random Write 4KB (QD=1) :    62.337 MB/s [ 15219.1 IOPS]
   Random Read 4KB (QD=32) :   190.623 MB/s [ 46538.8 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=32) :   185.116 MB/s [ 45194.4 IOPS]

  Test : 1000 MB [C: 55.1% (61.5/111.7 GB)] (x5) <All 0x00, 0Fill>
  Date : 2012/05/31 19:56:50
    OS : Windows 7  SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

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[DarkSamus]

Originally Posted by Lasnap

Windows plus all my programs including my pc games only take up about 216GB of my 250GB HDD but then again I dont have that many recent games and I dont have any games on steam either I am not a steam horder like a lot of you guys seem to be most of my games are from gog.com which has mainly older games that are normaly only a single cd or 2 so most of my games are less then 2-3gb in size so for me a 256gb SSD would be perfect but the price is a bit more then 120GB ssds and the price of 120gb ssds falls to about the same price as 1TB HDDs.

Here is a run-down of all my installed games

Adventures Of Tintin - Secret Of The Unicorn - 7.71GB
Batman Arkham Asylum GOTY Edition- 7.71GB
Batman Arkham City - 16.1GB
Beatball 2 - 31.2MB
Bejeweled 3 - 237MB
Burnout Paradise Ultimate Box - 3.47GB
Crysis - 6.9GB
Crysis 2 - 11.4GB
DDD Pool - 17.2MB
Dirt 2 - 10.1GB
Dirt 3 - 12.0GB
Dirt Showdown - 9.35GB
H.E.R.O - 12.5MB
Kyodai Mahjongg - 18.1MB
Metroid 2 Remake Demo - 19.7MB
Metroid Confrontation - 9.66MB
Mortal Kombat Arcade Kollection - 429MB
Nitronic Rush - 632MB
Pro Pinball - Big Race USA - 569MB
Raiden III - 453MB
Resident Evil 4 - 11.8GB
Resident Evil 5 - 6.77GB
Sims 3 + All Expansions - 22.6GB
Solsuite Solitaire - 180MB
Sonic Generations - 8.41GB
Street Fighter 4 - 5.2GB
Street Fighter x Tekken - 4.93GB
Streets Of Rage Remake - 414MB
Sudoku Up - 54.2MB
Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition - 9.2GB

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[Lasnap]

The sims 3 and batman are taking up the most space for you DS. My largest game would be Neverwinter Nights 2 at about 11.5GB thanks to several modules I have installed plus all the expansions

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Exactly why my RE4 is so big too. MODS

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[Kaizen]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

260GB just software and Windows installation???? what in God's name do you install on your C drive that use that much of space??? i'm asking because i bought a 120GB+ SSD and even after installing Photoshop, office, Visual Studio 2010, Expression Studio and a lot of small programs i still had 70GB+ of free space which was reduced to 30GB after copying all my music for testing.

I have 600gb of windows and software with only 1 game

Music software, sample libraries, recorded media I've done.

[Lasnap]

Ah recorded media would fill up the HDD fast if its uncompressed and in its raw state.

By the way DS I am intrigued by those 2 metroid games you have on your list.

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Originally Posted by Kaizen

I have 600gb of windows and software with only 1 game

Music software, sample libraries, recorded media I've done.

The last two should be off the main drive into a tiered data drive.

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