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Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Never mind my earlier statement about Microsoft being back in the game. They still have much, Much, MUCH work to do in terms of optimizations. It could just be the Developer Preview, but it seems like they are at least a light year behind Android, and another two or three light years behind iOS.

I personally think you can't judge from a preview build comparing to others that already have several revisions and versions and also you need at least a touch enable screen to even try the metro UI in the way it should be used. however i will take your word until i test it by myself.

don't forget that both Android and iOS doesn't have a full OS in the background hence why am not expecting total smoothness just yet. if that were the case then MS would be light years ahead of the competition and that would be unreal. i don't know what hardware you used but a atom netbook is definitely underpowered in the gpu sector compared to Android/Ipad devices.

all in all i do agree with you but there is one point of your post i do not agree with... i personally don't think iOS is 1+ year ahead of Android specially after discovering that the upload button was just disabled as there is no file system... sincerly when i think about it and Android VS iOS i personally think is otherwise.

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[runawayprisoner]

Well, the Atom Z GPU is the same damn thing used in the iPad so there is no excuse there in terms of hardware limitation. Plus Microsoft can't excuse an ION netbook having "inferior" hardware to an iPad.

I have actually mentioned this a long while, but... Windows XP had a perfectly snappy interface, then Vista bastardized it, and now up into Windows 8, Microsoft is still hoping Direct3D gimmicks can make up for it. But for God's sake, drawing operations still happen on top of GDI interfaces... and very few applications use Direct2D because of its godawful font rendering capability.

iOS does have an upload button using third-party app that's available in the App Store. It's just Apple's MobileSafari that doesn't have an upload button by default, but that doesn't mean other apps can't have it.

iOS also does have a filesystem, though Apple is trying to mitigate users away from it, so you wouldn't see it by default. Many third-party apps in the App Store let you manage files anyhow. Also you can jailbreak if you need access to system files.

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Never mind my earlier statement about Microsoft being back in the game. They still have much, Much, MUCH work to do in terms of optimizations. It could just be the Developer Preview, but it seems like they are at least a light year behind Android, and another two or three light years behind iOS.

Metro UI is so out of the game on something as powerful as a PC or tablet that it makes Windows 3.1 look modern.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Metro UI is so out of the game on something as powerful as a PC or tablet that it makes Windows 3.1 look modern.

Well, I can tolerate the horrible waste of space that Metro UI and those damn ribbons are... (hated ribbons on Office, still hating them now)

But God, it lags... Thanksfully it's just Metro UI lagging, and desktop isn't so bad, but it's just the same as Windows 7. And I'd prefer 7 because 7 doesn't impose ribbons everywhere.

[@ruantec]

Originally Posted by runawayprisoner

Well, the Atom Z GPU is the same damn thing used in the iPad so there is no excuse there in terms of hardware limitation. Plus Microsoft can't excuse an ION netbook having "inferior" hardware to an iPad.

I have actually mentioned this a long while, but... Windows XP had a perfectly snappy interface, then Vista bastardized it, and now up into Windows 8, Microsoft is still hoping Direct3D gimmicks can make up for it. But for God's sake, drawing operations still happen on top of GDI interfaces... and very few applications use Direct2D because of its godawful font rendering capability.

iOS does have an upload button using third-party app that's available in the App Store. It's just Apple's MobileSafari that doesn't have an upload button by default, but that doesn't mean other apps can't have it.

iOS also does have a filesystem, though Apple is trying to mitigate users away from it, so you wouldn't see it by default. Many third-party apps in the App Store let you manage files anyhow. Also you can jailbreak if you need access to system files.

I guess i will have to find it out by myself after installing it today. about the upload button... sure i know about the app you're talking about since i spent lots of hours trying to do the trick so that our software is capable to do something that should be possible as its STANDARD for God's sake

however when it comes to gimmicks we all know what company is the master of gimmicks still i do agree that MS have a long road ahead.

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

You know what the worst thing is about Metro UI?

Windows Media Center > Metro UI

They could have just tweaked the media center.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

I guess i will have to find it out by myself after installing it today. about the upload button... sure i know about the app you're talking about since i spent lots of hours trying to do the trick so that our software is capable to do something that should be possible as its STANDARD for God's sake

however when it comes to gimmicks we all know what company is the master of gimmicks still i do agree that MS have a long road ahead.

If you are looking at an upload feature, might well build an app for it. The codes for an upload interface is actually... less than 10 lines in Obj-C. About 3-4 lines if using Flash.

Plus you have more control when you have an app. It doesn't have to be just a website.

As far as MS goes, I'm hoping they push out SP2 for Windows 7 to reduce redundant services, and that should hold out for a while longer. Windows 8 is such a disaster now that I don't know where to begin.

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

You know what the worst thing is about Metro UI?

Windows Media Center > Metro UI

They could have just tweaked the media center.

If you'd consider that the lock screen, start menu, and other things have been tweaked to closely resemble Metro UI, you'd see that Microsoft is trying to go full scale with the interface and not just an app like Media Center.

That's just bad...

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It's not bad, it's terrifying.

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[Silenus]

They haven't released an ARM version.

You can't judge them on developer preview.

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^^ This

Installing it on my WeTab right now.... lets see.

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Originally Posted by Silenus

They haven't released an ARM version.

You can't judge them on developer preview.

If i'm judging them based on direction then yes I can.

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[runawayprisoner]

Originally Posted by Silenus

They haven't released an ARM version.

You can't judge them on developer preview.

When a developer preview is out, pretty much that's when performance and features have settled in and the rest is just getting bugs and glitches ironed out.

So nope, I can't judge how buggy the Developer Preview is, but I can definitely judge how the performance is.

And this is still embarrassingly bad performance.

Edit:

Well, Windows 8 on ARM...

http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/14/n...blet-hands-on/

Looks laggy. Toward the end, Explorer took seconds (likely more than 5) to launch.

Seriously?

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This geting interesting.

Samsung aiming to get an iPhone 5 sales ban in Korea
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Tags: Samsung, Apple, Touch UI

Sneaky Samsung is supposedly preparing a patent suit against Apple that should ban the next-gen iPhone sales in Korea. This was shared by a senior Samsung executive, wishing to remain anonymous, with The Korea Times.

The soon-to-be patent suit will involve Samsung's wireless technology patents, which will supposedly be used by Apple in the iPhone 5 (or 4S). Apparently the Korean manufacturer is sure that the Cupertino-based company will not be able to find a workaround for the issue.


The unnamed exec reportedly shared this, as well:

"For as long as Apple does not drop mobile telecommunications functions, it would be impossible for it to sell its i-branded products without using our patents. We will stick to a strong stance against Apple during the lingering legal fights."

It's a very bold statement, that's for sure.

Currently, there are over 20 lawsuits between Apple and Samsung in progress and the fight has been going on since April of this year. Apple drew first blood with the nation-wide German ban on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales (though the effect might not be as great as they hoped) and the removal of the Galaxy Tab 7.7 from the IFA trade show and a sales delay for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia, following an injunction there.

Perhaps Samsung is now taking an attacking stance. A suggestion backed up by the counter-claim filled by the company in Australia, accusing Apple of infringing on 7 wireless patents, related to the iPhone and iPad.

The statement also says that the patents Apple used in their claims against Samsung, concerning the Galaxy Tab 10.1 were invalid.

Apple has yet to comment on those statements.

Getting back to the patent suit over the iPhone 5 - it does make one wonder is this where patent suits are heading - manufacturers are suing each other over yet unannounced devices? It seems to us that a whole lot of effort is going to be wasted here - yes, we know that major tech giants have dedicated legal departments full of merciless lawyers on demand - but it doesn't seem like anyone will actually win from all those lawsuits. Negative publicity is probably going to nullify whatever compensations an eventual win brings.

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[runawayprisoner]

And suddenly, iPhone pricing in Korea increases.

These guys sure have money to pay for their legal departments.

[Silenus]

iPhone 5 october 4th.

Or 4S.
Who knows.

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[runawayprisoner]

Just a rumor. If invites are not sent out next week, then we know for sure they are just trying to get more page hits.

Kicker? Originally reported by BGR, who was already wrong in predicting the date of iOS5 GM, and now has prepared a copout for themselves by saying that the date (Oct 4) is subject to change.

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/quick-...-5th-core.html

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[Silenus]

Thanks Schumi.
Nice.

Remind me a bit of the PS3 Cell.

Maybe this could help battery life.

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[runawayprisoner]

5th core, or in other words, "we are using too much power". It makes sense though. It's not like nVidia can just suddenly up and design a quad-core ARM chip that has perfect power scaling. They've only been with ARM for a few years now, give or take. Plus that's a good way to scale down power. Use a 5th core that is super slow and boring, but doesn't suck too much power and turn all of the other ones off. It's not like they need 1GHz to push emails and receive texts.

Though I wonder how power consumption would be like under heavy load... This seems to imply a significant power draw as soon as the other cores are turned on.

Now I'm interested in what Apple A6 would be like.

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Reducing power consumption is awesome but at the end you will hit the wall as everything consume power. the industry demands more and better graphics as well as horse power... such power can't be produced by magic so at the end they will end consuming more and more power which requires a better battery, i guess they should focus a bit more in that area.

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