If Squaresoft is going to do a Fallout 3 then

[Taisen]

I hope it is going to be at least open world this time.

btw this is from versus 13 if you didn't get the memo.

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[Taisen]

and if they are going to make it a Blood+ fusion then I better be able to be raped by a demon and in the process impregnate her.

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[Spyhop]

There is no Squaresoft anymore. I wish there was.

[nanaya]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

There is no Squaresoft anymore. I wish there was.

bah got beaten...

so there will be pc release for this right?

[Taisen]

At least people will finally get that Fallout 3 with swords they are always griping about.

Originally Posted by Spyhop

There is no Squaresoft anymore. I wish there was.

The merger didn't kill the SS it just mortally wounded Enix, but nothing of value was lost. Anyone can develop Dragon Quest Umpteenth even more like the original than the original.

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Taisen

nothing of value was lost.

I disagree. Square has never been the same since the merger. FF aside, we used to see quality original IP produced from them. No longer.

[Noja87]

Critics here are gonna like this one a lot more than 13 it seems.

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[Geralt Of Rivia]

Looks nice. I heard this is going to be the gloomiest Final Fantasy of all. The first then. There isn't a single gloomy Final Fantasy. I like games with gloomy atmosphere, looking forward to play this one. Thinking twice FF6 has it's gloomy aspects. FF7 too.

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[Dynamo]

I think DQ games have a charm factor that an FF title hasn't been able to hit since 95. (IMO at least) I think DQ9 is a prime example, it has a childish charm and humor that I really enjoy. I like the creatures a lot in it too, I think FF is becoming a bit full of itself and loosing it's roots.

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[Desred]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

I disagree. Square has never been the same since the merger. FF aside, we used to see quality original IP produced from them. No longer.

Forget it. Read your post wrong^^

[Dynamo]

That is really meaningless to me though because IMO, a game could be made by a bunch of monkeys, if its good I'll say it's good I don't care who was responsible for making it.

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That actually does look some kind of fallout mod I want this to be on PC soo bad.

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[Desred]

Originally Posted by Dynamo

That is really meaningless to me though because IMO, a game could be made by a bunch of monkeys, if its good I'll say it's good I don't care who was responsible for making it.

I don't see the connection. Really. Yeah, sure it's a good game if it's good. But a game is still totally influenced by it's creators and it shows.

I don't think if Stephanie Meyer suddenly writes games that the game will be excellently written. People, especially designers have certain styles. And if you don't like the style you can fairly assume that you will not like the part of the game.
That's why I'm not awaiting Versus. Because I know who the writer is and I didn't like his previous works too much and I'm extremly storybound in games.

[lagunareturns]

but the management decide the overall product.... didnt the managers said to their devs stop making games themselves like and just make games that appeal to the general public... hey maybe its me but i havent seen a business where management isnt everything, its everything, they have the control on the product, devs and designers have little control on the projects, all they do is say yes sir and do it and do so with ther input...

devs and designers follow plans set by management, not make them or change them, if so then yeah the merger would have no effect, but it did since they are still releasing of failed games

[Desred]

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

but the management decide the overall product.... didnt the managers said to their devs stop making games themselves like and just make games that appeal to the general public... hey maybe its me but i havent seen a business where management isnt everything, its everything, they have the control on the product, devs and designers have little control on the projects, all they do is say yes sir and do it and do so with ther input...

devs and designers follow plans set by management, not make them or change them, if so then yeah the merger would have no effect, but it did since they are still releasing of failed games

Uhm what. So the management actually writes the dialog, designs the world and characters, aestetics and co.?

Of course, they have a saying if certain elements should be included or certain changes should be made. But they in NO way designed the game.

The comment naturally has value concerning new IPs though.

[Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Desred

I don't think if Stephanie Meyer suddenly writes games that the game will be excellently written. People, especially designers have certain styles. And if you don't like the style you can fairly assume that you will not like the part of the game.
That's why I'm not awaiting Versus. Because I know who the writer is and I didn't like his previous works too much and I'm extremly storybound in games.

What I'm trying to say is you don't need a track record to create a great game. Someone can do it first time around, that's how their work gets popular in the first place.

Originally Posted by Desred

Uhm what. So the management actually writes the dialog, designs the world and characters, aestetics and co.?

Of course, they have a saying if certain elements should be included or certain changes should be made. But they in NO way designed the game.

The comment naturally has value concerning new IPs though.

No but they certainly give it the okay.. And if there is something they don't like it will be changed for sure.

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[Taisen]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

I disagree.

And you would be wrong but that's okay. You should be use to that by now.

[lagunareturns]

Originally Posted by Desred

Uhm what. So the management actually writes the dialog, designs the world and characters, aestetics and co.?

Of course, they have a saying if certain elements should be included or certain changes should be made. But they in NO way designed the game.

The comment naturally has value concerning new IPs though.

but they can control the budget and the time taken in games and force the devs to complete...

as for the management affecting design, go do a business course before talking about design in a business sense, a writer can write beautiful stories but what it doesnt change, have elements added or removed.. or change a character(s) as it doesnt appeal to management....

maybe you need to try be a designer, artist, writer or have a creative process in a business and see how much of a say you have on a final say onything you do...

try website design for businesses and see how some bussiness say they love you work and want nothing changed, then go to others and they say change this or use a color that isnt suitable, or make you change or implement things that you know from the start is epic fail, so you end up implementing changes and undoing them, meaning wasted time, therefore less time creating a quality product...

please dont assume there is creative freedom in a business, its management who effectively controls the creative process, its not as if i make beautifula illustrations of chraracters and bang they are the characters, no they prodded, changed and keeps changing until management is satisfied but hey you may say i am wrong but hey i have experience as a writer, as a designer and as a artist for businesses and i can tell you depending on management a flop can be released regardeless of writers, developers and designers because the management is just assuming a game that looks good, has a unique plot and a name that will sell, well here we got ffxii and xiii both in my opinion would've been better as a comic book or novel as the game or the gamplay especially never does the story justice

this is why there are so many bad sequels, the management see the game is complete, so they can do a half assed attempt of a sequel, a few new elements, a more predictable story and create new levels and voila you got a sequel especially when taking this process makes the game ride on the success on the previus release, it cost allot less they properly making a sequel and it takes allot less time to develop

learn to post from experience and not on assumptions otherwise dont post at all

oh i can give a clear example of management ruining an ip, look at the simpsons episode of where the management add new character (Poochie)to The Itchy & Scratchy show and ruined the show

maybe its time for a reality check

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[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Dynamo

I think DQ9 is a prime example, it has a childish charm and humor that I really enjoy. I like the creatures a lot in it too, I think FF is becoming a bit full of itself and loosing it's roots.

Eh. It's time to move on. Childish charm and humour has been overdone. It's the age of M rated games. Let's get to it!

Originally Posted by Geralt Of Rivia

Looks nice. I heard this is going to be the gloomiest Final Fantasy of all. The first then. There isn't a single gloomy Final Fantasy. I like games with gloomy atmosphere, looking forward to play this one. Thinking twice FF6 has it's gloomy aspects. FF7 too.

Indeed. I like gloom as well.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Taisen

And you would be wrong but that's okay. You should be use to that by now.

Anyone who thinks Square HASN'T lost it's magic since the Enix merger, go ahead and tell Taisen how wrong I am.