Playstation has lost some of its advantages (according to Microsoft)

Katsuya · May 19th, 2005, 17:04

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Microsoft Corp which is trying to unseat gaming market leader Sony Corp, said on Wednesday the Japanese consumer electronics maker has lost some of the advantages that made its PlayStation gaming machine a top-selling video game console.

Microsoft has forged stronger relationships with the industry's top game publishers -- alliances that can make-or-break a console's success -- and for the first time, will beat Sony to market with its next-generation console.
Sony, which unseated Nintendo Co. Ltd. as the industry's top console maker and drove Sega's Genesis console out of business a decade ago, still controls more than two-thirds of the market.

Sony's current generation console, the PlayStation 2, beat Microsoft's Xbox console to the market more than four years ago. This time, however, Microsoft is launching its next-generation Xbox 360 console ahead of the 2005 holiday season, ahead of Sony's planned launch of its PlayStation 3 in Spring 2006.

Since they last faced off, Microsoft has courted the industry's top video game publishers, including Electronic Arts Inc. (ERTS.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Square Enix Co. Ltd. (9684.T: Quote, Profile, Research) in the same way Sony courted the top game makers a decade ago when the PlayStation first launched, said Robbie Bach, chief of Microsoft's home and entertainment division.

"What happens is there's a certain amount of ego -- it gets in the way of what's important, which is that it's all about partner (game publisher) success," Bach said.

Microsoft has also offered game publishers a bigger cut of the proceeds from game sales and hired key executives from within the gaming industry to court developers.

That's also the model Microsoft adopted for Windows, luring top software companies to write programs for its personal computer operating system, making it a monopoly.
"It goes back to our roots," Bach said.
Sony, meanwhile, said Microsoft's Xbox 360 won't be able to compete against Sony's newest console because it lacks future technology, such as newly designed microchips, high-resolution graphics and a next-generation DVD player.

"It's a box made of future technology as opposed to Xbox 1.5, which seems to be a combination of things available today," said Kazuo Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America, implying slyly that the Xbox 360 isn't quite a full upgrade to version "2.0."

Both companies are trash-talking each other and playing up the future capabilities of their newest gaming machines, partly because the time lag between major console releases is getting longer and longer.
Bach said software update services, which can keep console system hardware up-to-date, allow for longer life cycles and Microsoft had already demonstrated such capabilities for its current-generation Xbox console.
"We've built in a lot of headroom," Bach said.
Bach also noted Sony's lack of talk over an online strategy for the PlayStation 3.

Microsoft said it will have more than 2 million users for its Xbox Live online service by the end of June. The software giant is introducing a free Xbox Live service with Xbox 360 that it says will put more than half of that console's gamers online.
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**Cid Highwind** · May 19th, 2005, 18:08

Free XboxLive, now we're talking

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Sony, which unseated Nintendo Co. Ltd. as the industry's top console maker and drove Sega's Genesis console out of business a decade ago, still controls more than two-thirds of the market.

Genesis, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't that be the Saturn?

Following part I found pretty ironic:

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That's also the model Microsoft adopted for Windows, luring top software companies to write programs for its personal computer operating system, making it a monopoly.

Anyway, let em fight each other and talk trash, it doesn't matter to me. It adds to the hype of course, but to me it still seems the best to let Sony and M$ first realise what they are now talking about, before even buying a console.
"It goes back to our roots," Bach said.

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__Xzyx987X · May 19th, 2005, 18:33

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Free XboxLive, now we're talking

Actually I heard that too, but as it turns out it's only an instant messanger type service with maybe a few other things. In order to play games online you will still need to pay.

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_E_ · May 19th, 2005, 18:34

lol, I thought that part was hilarious

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Mad · May 19th, 2005, 20:07

Ill would never buy a M$ console. Heck i didnt even payed for win...ops....

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shadow89 · May 19th, 2005, 20:24

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Ill would never buy a M$ console. Heck i didnt even payed for win...ops....

lol and if u did pay, that's a real crime lol

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**blueshogun96** · May 20th, 2005, 01:49

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lol and if u did pay, that's a real crime lol

offtopic: That was your 666th post, you are going to hell for sure

j/k

Ontopic: I saw this on G4 tech TV.

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Ill would never buy a M$ console.

And we care because... ?

Seriously, if you don't like an m$, don't bother telling us because we don't give a f@#%

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__Xzyx987X · May 20th, 2005, 19:53

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offtopic: That was your 666th post, you are going to hell for sure

Didn't you hear? The Mark of the beast is 616 now

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**Cid Highwind** · May 19th, 2005, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Mad

Ill would never buy a M$ console. Heck i didnt even payed for win...ops....

Maybe you'll understand this when you're older and wiser:

I don't like Sony for what they did during the PS2 hype and the effect it had on DC sales and the downfall of Sega. But when they have a good console and they have something I look for and offer better quality than their competition, why shouldn't I buy it?

The same goes for you, who cares if it's a M$ console when it can provide you with games / technology / fun that other companies can't offer?

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Katsuya · May 19th, 2005, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Maybe you'll understand this when you're older and wiser:

I don't like Sony for what they did during the PS2 hype and the effect it had on DC sales and the downfall of Sega. But when they have a good console and they have something I look for and offer better quality than their competition, why shouldn't I buy it?

The same goes for you, who cares if it's a M$ console when it can provide you with games / technology / fun that other companies can't offer?

You may like to know that Virtua Fighter X and Project Hedgehog (sonic) Were being previewed behind closed doors on the 360 at E3.

RockmanForte · May 19th, 2005, 22:15

I dont like MIRCOSOFT. Stop competitive with PS2 and Nintendo and just go away in your own business with PC you are doing. *I will never ever buy XBOX at all.* I hope they failed the next system then they can move on with their PC stuff and let PS2 and Nintendo do the business with video games things.

**FLaRe85** · May 19th, 2005, 22:44

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Originally Posted by rockmangames

I dont like MIRCOSOFT. Stop competitive with PS2 and Nintendo and just go away in your own business with PC you are doing. *I will never ever buy XBOX at all.* I hope they failed the next system then they can move on with their PC stuff and let PS2 and Nintendo do the business with video games things.

That's nice. Nobody cares about your opinion.

Regarding the free XBox Live service, there will be free gameplay provided on the weekends. So, no, it's not just a messenger service.

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Aided Onslaught · May 19th, 2005, 23:15

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I dont like MIRCOSOFT. Stop competitive with PS2 and Nintendo and just go away in your own business with PC you are doing. *I will never ever buy XBOX at all.* I hope they failed the next system then they can move on with their PC stuff and let PS2 and Nintendo do the business with video games things.

Honestly anymore it's really dumb to hate a company. I mean people were mad at Sony when they didn't just want to make tvs anymore and made the playstation. It's the same thing for Microsoft. I mean you don't have to like them, but hate? It's not like they really took over at all, and hell if a company can bring something new to the grounds of games, bring it on. I'm not a xbox fan or anything, or even a fan of any system.

Seta-San · May 19th, 2005, 23:09

i'm not going to get it unless they have a major change in game line-up. The Xbox completely failed to get me interested. It's the first system i haven't at least put on a list of things to get eventually. They gotta have more than Halo and Oddworld to get me interested.

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**FLaRe85** · May 20th, 2005, 03:17

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i'm not going to get it unless they have a major change in game line-up. The Xbox completely failed to get me interested. It's the first system i haven't at least put on a list of things to get eventually. They gotta have more than Halo and Oddworld to get me interested.

Would you just shut up already? We've already heard your stance against the XBox several times. There's no need for you to go parading around in every thread that contains the word "XBox" and repeat it. You sound like a ****ing broken record.

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sonicjam · May 19th, 2005, 23:10

there 3 type of xbox live version on 360 free one, the second one is free also but u need to pay once i think and the 3rd one u pay per month because it has more features, and i'm getting the third one

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xRock · May 19th, 2005, 23:23

Actually more competition between companies = more rewards for customers. Keeps the game prices in check and also makes the company work harder to get more customers. If lets say Sony, Nintendo or MS were the only company left... you dont wanna know how much they will charge for their consoles/games etc. I really hope all three companies make enough sales to keep the competition up.

Aided Onslaught · May 19th, 2005, 23:30

Good point xRockx, you always need competition. So one can set new goals, things get pushed along a lot more that way while keeping prices down. Other want to get ahead so they put out something better, then the company taht was ahead before says "oh crap...make soemthing even better than that right away..."

xRock · May 19th, 2005, 23:44

Oh and also anyone with a new idea gets more money. As the companies are then looking for new breakout games and developers. Especially independent developers are treated more nicely. So overall everyone benefits.. maybe except the console makers as they have to funnel more money into the console.

ChankastRules · May 19th, 2005, 23:54

We should thank both Sony, Nintendo and MS, because if just one or two would have existed there wouldn't have been as much competing and we wouldn't see such a cool next-gen consoles.

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Katsuya - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: - Posts: 1,934	Playstation has lost some of its advantages (according to Microsoft) -data- Microsoft Corp which is trying to unseat gaming market leader Sony Corp, said on Wednesday the Japanese consumer electronics maker has lost some of the advantages that made its PlayStation gaming machine a top-selling video game console. Microsoft has forged stronger relationships with the industry's top game publishers -- alliances that can make-or-break a console's success -- and for the first time, will beat Sony to market with its next-generation console. Sony, which unseated Nintendo Co. Ltd. as the industry's top console maker and drove Sega's Genesis console out of business a decade ago, still controls more than two-thirds of the market. Sony's current generation console, the PlayStation 2, beat Microsoft's Xbox console to the market more than four years ago. This time, however, Microsoft is launching its next-generation Xbox 360 console ahead of the 2005 holiday season, ahead of Sony's planned launch of its PlayStation 3 in Spring 2006. Since they last faced off, Microsoft has courted the industry's top video game publishers, including Electronic Arts Inc. (ERTS.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Square Enix Co. Ltd. (9684.T: Quote, Profile, Research) in the same way Sony courted the top game makers a decade ago when the PlayStation first launched, said Robbie Bach, chief of Microsoft's home and entertainment division. "What happens is there's a certain amount of ego -- it gets in the way of what's important, which is that it's all about partner (game publisher) success," Bach said. Microsoft has also offered game publishers a bigger cut of the proceeds from game sales and hired key executives from within the gaming industry to court developers. That's also the model Microsoft adopted for Windows, luring top software companies to write programs for its personal computer operating system, making it a monopoly. "It goes back to our roots," Bach said. Sony, meanwhile, said Microsoft's Xbox 360 won't be able to compete against Sony's newest console because it lacks future technology, such as newly designed microchips, high-resolution graphics and a next-generation DVD player. "It's a box made of future technology as opposed to Xbox 1.5, which seems to be a combination of things available today," said Kazuo Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America, implying slyly that the Xbox 360 isn't quite a full upgrade to version "2.0." Both companies are trash-talking each other and playing up the future capabilities of their newest gaming machines, partly because the time lag between major console releases is getting longer and longer. Bach said software update services, which can keep console system hardware up-to-date, allow for longer life cycles and Microsoft had already demonstrated such capabilities for its current-generation Xbox console. "We've built in a lot of headroom," Bach said. Bach also noted Sony's lack of talk over an online strategy for the PlayStation 3. Microsoft said it will have more than 2 million users for its Xbox Live online service by the end of June. The software giant is introducing a free Xbox Live service with Xbox 360 that it says will put more than half of that console's gamers online. -data-

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May 19th, 2005, 18:34	#4
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Mad AKA snkmad Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brazil, Fortaleza-Ceará Posts: 4,030	Ill would never buy a M$ console. Heck i didnt even payed for win...ops.... __________________ Main PC:Win 7 SP1 PRO X64 - Asus P5G41C-M LX - Intel Q6600@2.4Ghz - OCZ 2x 2GB DDR2 1000Mhz - Sapphire Vapor-X HD5770 1GB GDDR5 - 19" LCD SyncMaster T190 - Samsung SATA II HD322HJ 320GB HTPC:Acer Aspire AR1600 - Windows 7 PRO X86 - Atom 230@1.6Ghz - 3GB DDR2 800Mhz - Nvidia ION LE - SATA II WD 160GB + Seagate GoFlex Desk 2TB USB 3.0 Notebook:Dell Inspiron 14R N4110 - Windows 7 SP1 PRO X64 / Ubuntu 12.04 X64 - Intel Core i5 2410M@2.3Ghz - 8GB DDR3@1333Mhz - Intel HD 3000 - WDC SATA II 640GB + SSD Kingston V200 128GB +WD Scorpio Blue 320GB USB 3.0 CASE

May 19th, 2005, 22:15	#11
RockmanForte Rockman fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth! Posts: 5,285	I dont like MIRCOSOFT. Stop competitive with PS2 and Nintendo and just go away in your own business with PC you are doing. I will never ever buy XBOX at all. I hope they failed the next system then they can move on with their PC stuff and let PS2 and Nintendo do the business with video games things.

May 19th, 2005, 23:09	#14
Seta-San PCSX2ベータテスター Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,446	i'm not going to get it unless they have a major change in game line-up. The Xbox completely failed to get me interested. It's the first system i haven't at least put on a list of things to get eventually. They gotta have more than Halo and Oddworld to get me interested. __________________

May 19th, 2005, 23:10	#16
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May 19th, 2005, 23:23	#17
xRock Ride the Darkness Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 337	Actually more competition between companies = more rewards for customers. Keeps the game prices in check and also makes the company work harder to get more customers. If lets say Sony, Nintendo or MS were the only company left... you dont wanna know how much they will charge for their consoles/games etc. I really hope all three companies make enough sales to keep the competition up.

May 19th, 2005, 23:30	#18
Aided Onslaught Ocean Soul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, S.C. Posts: 1,420	Good point xRockx, you always need competition. So one can set new goals, things get pushed along a lot more that way while keeping prices down. Other want to get ahead so they put out something better, then the company taht was ahead before says "oh crap...make soemthing even better than that right away..."

May 19th, 2005, 23:44	#19
xRock Ride the Darkness Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 337	Oh and also anyone with a new idea gets more money. As the companies are then looking for new breakout games and developers. Especially independent developers are treated more nicely. So overall everyone benefits.. maybe except the console makers as they have to funnel more money into the console.

May 19th, 2005, 23:54	#20
ChankastRules NextGenerationGaymulation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden ( Proud Game Developer ) Posts: 2,775	We should thank both Sony, Nintendo and MS, because if just one or two would have existed there wouldn't have been as much competing and we wouldn't see such a cool next-gen consoles.