I need your advices on this please

dhkimboa · October 7th, 2001, 03:20

hello to everyone out there !
I am planning to upgrade my video card, riva tnt2 m64 that I bought a few months ago, to a geforce 2 mx or mx 400. I live in mexico so you will know they are more expensive than usa. Would you recommend me this ? They cost like $ 125 down here.

**Betamax** · October 7th, 2001, 11:24

Well I'd wait a little. From what I heard the next nvidia card is due soon which always means that the existing cards will be available at a cheaper price. I'll check that magazine again when I found it.

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Rargh · October 7th, 2001, 13:19

If you are going to buy one of those two cards, I wouldn t buy the Gforce MX400, I ve heard it had very bad ram on it...
The Gforce 2mx 200 would be a good choice..
But, i agree w/ Betamax, waiting is best solution, christmas is coming, companies will drop the prices...

Bye

**Raziel** · October 7th, 2001, 13:47

Quote:

Originally posted by Rargh
If you are going to buy one of those two cards, I wouldn t buy the Gforce MX400, I ve heard it had very bad ram on it...
The Gforce 2mx 200 would be a good choice..
But, i agree w/ Betamax, waiting is best solution, christmas is coming, companies will drop the prices...

Bye

I guess you got wrong Rargh,it's the GeForce 2 mx 200 which sucks,not the 400,the 400 has performences equal to a normal GF2mx.

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dhkimboa · October 8th, 2001, 22:40

thanks for your comments but why mx 200 sucks then ?
which is the difference ?

dhkimboa · October 13th, 2001, 08:15

the difference the difference please ?

Fury · October 19th, 2001, 17:19

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Originally posted by dhkim
the difference the difference please ?

well i don't know the difference...
why don't u buy geforce2 gts??i heard it was good...

i'm buying a new videocard,too.
but i don't know wish Vcard should i buy????
i was thinking about buying geforce 3 ti500 but it is so expensive!!!!!
I want a good VCARD...can u help me choosing one???

:confused:

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dhkimboa · October 20th, 2001, 05:44

well, can't buy geforce 2 gts. They're pretty expensive here ( almost 200 ). Anyway, I've got a geforce 2 mx 400 64mg. It works just nice.

How can I overclock my video card ? I've heard overclocking this video card can achieve the performance of a gts.

**Xeven** · October 20th, 2001, 05:54

well if you're really interested go here: Tweak3D

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Fury · October 23rd, 2001, 14:56

well can u ppl help choosing a good and
not very expensive Vcard?

:confused:

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**Demigod** · October 24th, 2001, 09:40

I was stuck with this same dilemma a week ago and I decided to go with a GeForce 2 GTS. It was 50% more expensive than the GeForce 2 MX 400 but it was worth it(actually the card was a GeForce 2 Pro [as can be seen in my specs] although it was advertised as a GTS). If you can squeeze out a couple more bucks I highly recommend a GF2 GTS or Pro. With the release of the GF3, prices have plummeted to outrageous levels (original price of GF2 GTS = $429, now = $169, CDN pricing).

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**Ryos** · October 24th, 2001, 09:44

> With the release of the GF3 prices have plummeted to outrageous levels

Yep. Definitely an economical way to get very good cards.

**Xeven** · October 24th, 2001, 12:02

that's right, if you follow nvidia's six month product cycle, you'll know when and when not to buy nvidia cards, at least on a price standpoint anyway.. or whatever it was i was saying.. coz i seem to have forgotten what it was.. ehehe

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rio · October 25th, 2001, 14:45

Quote:

Originally posted by dhkim
hello to everyone out there !
I am planning to upgrade my video card, riva tnt2 m64 that I bought a few months ago, to a geforce 2 mx or mx 400. I live in mexico so you will know they are more expensive than usa. Would you recommend me this ? They cost like $ 125 down here.

$125

thats too expensive

ge force mx series should be lower than $60

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Fury · October 25th, 2001, 18:10

i'm buying THE GF3...that is a good choise??

well i think it is...is a bit expensive but i think it will do just fine...

any one know the gf3 price in europe??

thanks

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Iran · October 28th, 2001, 20:08

THE Diff. in of MX400 nad MX200 according to my inno3d mx400 manual

mx400 64mb mx200 64 mb
mem bus 128 bits 128bits
gpu core 200mhz 175mhz
mem clk 166 166
ramdac 350mhz 350mhz
mem
bandwith 2.7gb/s 1.3gb/s
fill rate 400m pixel/s 350m pixel/s
800m texel/s 700m texel/s

dhkimboa · October 29th, 2001, 03:51

hey Rio, I said that I live in mexico that's why they are that expensive.

Cerberus · November 11th, 2001, 09:30

Here's what really matters when you're buying a video card:

Keep in mind that there is no standard for specs.
Most specs you see out there don't mean jack.
While they advertise that a card can do 25 million poly/sec & unlimited hardware lights, what they fail to mention, is that it can't do both at the same time. You get the idea. The main things you want to look for are the RAMDAC speed, MEM Core speed, MEM Bandwidth, and AGP specs. Now, the other specs might be useful for comparison, but just remember that they are optimum, theoretical maximums, and have no *real* bearing on real-world performance. They represent what the card "should" be able to do. But again, they list the abilities assuming that that's all the card will be doing at one time, so specs represent the cards FULL processing power performing that ONE action, which (needless to say) doesn't happen in a real-world app.

RAMDAC speed is going to have the most effect on overall speed, with the memory bandwidth limiting the card's texturing ability.
The new GF2 GTS is a good buy with a RAM bandwidth of about 1.7G/sec. If you really want some power, you can go with the GF2 pro which has super-fast ram at like 3.2G/sec. I have a Geforce 2 GTS & I love it. I will eventually upgrade to a GF3, but like someone else pointed out, you have to watch nVidia's product cycle and wait until the price comes down enough. Anyone looking at a GF3 should hold off a few more months, cause you're gonna see the price start to drop about $200

ToM_E · November 11th, 2001, 11:14

Ok...look! Geforce 2 mx 200 sucks and so does 400 (Im using a 400) I think all Geforce 2 series suck. Just buy a Voodoo 5 off ebay like me and fivefeet8

It rocks. And Its $125 there? Whoa!!! I bought mine for $80

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**Demigod** · November 12th, 2001, 09:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Cerberus
RAMDAC speed is going to have the most effect on overall speed, with the memory bandwidth limiting the card's texturing ability.
The new GF2 GTS is a good buy with a RAM bandwidth of about 1.7G/sec. If you really want some power, you can go with the GF2 pro which has super-fast ram at like 3.2G/sec. I have a Geforce 2 GTS & I love it. I will eventually upgrade to a GF3, but like someone else pointed out, you have to watch nVidia's product cycle and wait until the price comes down enough. Anyone looking at a GF3 should hold off a few more months, cause you're gonna see the price start to drop about $200

I think there are some inaccuracies in your post. First of all the RAMDAC speed doesn't have any effect on 3D graphics what-so-ever. All it determines is how fast graphics (2D or 3D) can be drawn to the screen. Most modern videocard have a RAMDAC of 350 Mhz or higher which should be more than enough to display full frames at 1600x1200 or higher (provided the videocard can run that fast). Second, the memory bandwidth of the GF2 GTS is MUCH higher than you've posted. On Nvidia's site it claims a memory bandwidth of 5.3 GB/s, which is pretty close to its actual performance. The GeForce 2 Pro is a bit higher, at 6.4 GB/s, since it uses 200 Mhz memory instead of the 166 Mhz of the GTS. I have a GeForce 2 Pro and I can testify that the memory is not more advanced than the GTS, it just runs faster. I think memory speed is the most important thing to consider on modern day videocards. The GF2's primary performance bottleneck is its memory, as can be shown in benchmarks of the GF2 GTS and GF2 Ultra (30% improvement in speed).

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October 7th, 2001, 03:20	#1
dhkimboa BOA Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,884	I need your advices on this please hello to everyone out there ! I am planning to upgrade my video card, riva tnt2 m64 that I bought a few months ago, to a geforce 2 mx or mx 400. I live in mexico so you will know they are more expensive than usa. Would you recommend me this ? They cost like $ 125 down here.

October 25th, 2001, 18:10	#15
Fury Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Around Posts: 362	Re: Re: I need your advices on this please i'm buying THE GF3...that is a good choise?? well i think it is...is a bit expensive but i think it will do just fine... any one know the gf3 price in europe?? thanks __________________ Final Fantasy freak... Shiori fanclub menber

November 11th, 2001, 09:30	#18
Cerberus Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 25	The Real Deal Here's what really matters when you're buying a video card: Keep in mind that there is no standard for specs. Most specs you see out there don't mean jack. While they advertise that a card can do 25 million poly/sec & unlimited hardware lights, what they fail to mention, is that it can't do both at the same time. You get the idea. The main things you want to look for are the RAMDAC speed, MEM Core speed, MEM Bandwidth, and AGP specs. Now, the other specs might be useful for comparison, but just remember that they are optimum, theoretical maximums, and have no real bearing on real-world performance. They represent what the card "should" be able to do. But again, they list the abilities assuming that that's all the card will be doing at one time, so specs represent the cards FULL processing power performing that ONE action, which (needless to say) doesn't happen in a real-world app. RAMDAC speed is going to have the most effect on overall speed, with the memory bandwidth limiting the card's texturing ability. The new GF2 GTS is a good buy with a RAM bandwidth of about 1.7G/sec. If you really want some power, you can go with the GF2 pro which has super-fast ram at like 3.2G/sec. I have a Geforce 2 GTS & I love it. I will eventually upgrade to a GF3, but like someone else pointed out, you have to watch nVidia's product cycle and wait until the price comes down enough. Anyone looking at a GF3 should hold off a few more months, cause you're gonna see the price start to drop about $200

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October 7th, 2001, 11:24	#2
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,506	Well I'd wait a little. From what I heard the next nvidia card is due soon which always means that the existing cards will be available at a cheaper price. I'll check that magazine again when I found it. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

October 7th, 2001, 13:19	#3
Rargh Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,238	If you are going to buy one of those two cards, I wouldn t buy the Gforce MX400, I ve heard it had very bad ram on it... The Gforce 2mx 200 would be a good choice.. But, i agree w/ Betamax, waiting is best solution, christmas is coming, companies will drop the prices... Bye

October 8th, 2001, 22:40	#5
dhkimboa BOA Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,884	thanks for your comments but why mx 200 sucks then ? which is the difference ?

October 13th, 2001, 08:15	#6
dhkimboa BOA Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,884	the difference the difference please ?

October 20th, 2001, 05:44	#8
dhkimboa BOA Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,884	well, can't buy geforce 2 gts. They're pretty expensive here ( almost 200 ). Anyway, I've got a geforce 2 mx 400 64mg. It works just nice. How can I overclock my video card ? I've heard overclocking this video card can achieve the performance of a gts.

October 20th, 2001, 05:54	#9
Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,568	well if you're really interested go here: Tweak3D __________________

October 23rd, 2001, 14:56	#10
Fury Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Around Posts: 362	well can u ppl help choosing a good and not very expensive Vcard? :confused: __________________ Final Fantasy freak... Shiori fanclub menber Last edited by Fury; October 23rd, 2001 at 14:57..

October 24th, 2001, 09:40	#11
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,331	I was stuck with this same dilemma a week ago and I decided to go with a GeForce 2 GTS. It was 50% more expensive than the GeForce 2 MX 400 but it was worth it(actually the card was a GeForce 2 Pro [as can be seen in my specs] although it was advertised as a GTS). If you can squeeze out a couple more bucks I highly recommend a GF2 GTS or Pro. With the release of the GF3, prices have plummeted to outrageous levels (original price of GF2 GTS = $429, now = $169, CDN pricing). __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team Last edited by Demigod; October 24th, 2001 at 09:43..

October 24th, 2001, 09:44	#12
Ryos Bearsona Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,307	> With the release of the GF3 prices have plummeted to outrageous levels Yep. Definitely an economical way to get very good cards.

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Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,568	that's right, if you follow nvidia's six month product cycle, you'll know when and when not to buy nvidia cards, at least on a price standpoint anyway.. or whatever it was i was saying.. coz i seem to have forgotten what it was.. ehehe __________________ Last edited by Xeven; October 24th, 2001 at 12:03..

October 28th, 2001, 20:08	#16
Iran Iran Pogi Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Stanmore Posts: 632	THE Diff. in of MX400 nad MX200 according to my inno3d mx400 manual mx400 64mb mx200 64 mb mem bus 128 bits 128bits gpu core 200mhz 175mhz mem clk 166 166 ramdac 350mhz 350mhz mem bandwith 2.7gb/s 1.3gb/s fill rate 400m pixel/s 350m pixel/s 800m texel/s 700m texel/s

October 29th, 2001, 03:51	#17
dhkimboa BOA Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,884	hey Rio, I said that I live in mexico that's why they are that expensive.

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ToM_E 8+ Years Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Over The Rainbow Posts: 2,796	Ok...look! Geforce 2 mx 200 sucks and so does 400 (Im using a 400) I think all Geforce 2 series suck. Just buy a Voodoo 5 off ebay like me and fivefeet8 It rocks. And Its $125 there? Whoa!!! I bought mine for $80 __________________ Intel Q9550 @ 4.00 Ghz Xigmatek Dark Knight G.SKILL 4GB DDR2 533 GIGABYTE EP45-UD3P Hitachi 1TB Samsung 1TB LG 20X DVD-RW (SATA) Lancool K62W EVGA GTX 275 Corsair 750TX Scythe Kaze Master Ace Windows 7 x64