Geforce card question

astroduck · March 10th, 2002, 07:40

I know this might a little off topic, but...

Are there any graphics improvement between a Geforce 2 MX and a Geforce 4 MX?? I just check out the price between the 2 cards and it seems like Geforce 4 MX is not much expensive than geforce 2 MX. However, a Geforce 3 Ti or Geforce 4 Ti card cost A LOT!!!!!!!

What is the reason behind it?

**fivefeet8** · March 10th, 2002, 07:46

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Originally posted by astroduck
I know this might a little off topic, but...

Are there any graphics improvement between a Geforce 2 MX and a Geforce 4 MX?? I just check out the price between the 2 cards and it seems like Geforce 4 MX is not much expensive than geforce 2 MX. However, a Geforce 3 Ti or Geforce 4 Ti card cost A LOT!!!!!!!

What is the reason behind it?

This is the wrong forum to post this question..

As for your answer, any mx cards are cheap because they are missing key features of the true cards.. The memory and gpu clock speeds are also lowered..

The geforce 4 mx's are so cheap because they don't have vertex shaders like the ti Geforce4's.. Plus their clock speeds are significantly lower than the ti cards..

THe difference between a geforce4 mx and the geforce2 mx is speed.. The geforce 4 mx's are a lot faster than the geforce2 mx cards, but like all mx cards.. (look above)

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March 10th, 2002, 07:49

fivefeet8, is correct. This belongs in the Hardware Forum, so there it is going to go.
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astroduck · March 10th, 2002, 07:52

Sorry for my lack of techology knowledge

What is vertex shader??

I heard all Geforce MX cards are only running 80% power of the actual Geforce card(GTS, Ti). Is that true??

BTW, Sorry about posting this in the wrong forum, I will be careful next time.

Fou-lu · March 10th, 2002, 07:59

Yep, the MX are crippled versions of the main chips. They run slower but are a lot cheaper.

astroduck · March 10th, 2002, 08:00

So I guess I will save money for Geforce 3 Ti.

But which model is better? Ti 200 or Ti 500?

**fivefeet8** · March 10th, 2002, 08:04

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Originally posted by astroduck
So I guess I will save money for Geforce 3 Ti.
But which model is better? Ti 200 or Ti 500?

Ti 500 of course, but it's a good penny more than the ti 200.. For 40 bucks more, you can get a geforce4 ti 4200.. Should be quite faster than both geforce3 ti 200 and ti 500..

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Fou-lu · March 10th, 2002, 08:06

Indeed. It's just a bit underclocked in relation to a GF4ti4600 but it is better than a GF3ti500

astroduck · March 10th, 2002, 08:11

But I think is way too expensive.... I will just wait for price to drop a bit first(very soon)

Ninjaa · March 10th, 2002, 09:22

I have a Geforce3 Ti200 and it has served me well. You can find one for pretty cheap.

March 10th, 2002, 09:48

The main graphical improvement of the Geforce 2 MX to the Geforce 4 MX is the FSAA quality and speed of it. Other than that, I don't think there was any real difference.

I believe Geforce 4 MX has a pixel shader on it.

But It's not dual like the Geforce 3 Or 4 TI, There is something about it that puts way under the 3 TI and 4 TI's/

**Demigod** · March 10th, 2002, 15:10

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Originally posted by ChrisRay
The main graphical improvement of the Geforce 2 MX to the Geforce 4 MX is the FSAA quality and speed of it. Other than that, I don't think there was any real difference.

I believe Geforce 4 MX has a pixel shader on it.

But It's not dual like the Geforce 3 Or 4 TI, There is something about it that puts way under the 3 TI and 4 TI's/

Download 3DMark2001 and try the nature benchmark. It tests pixel shader capabilities.

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SadAngel · March 10th, 2002, 17:13

hhmmm.... anyone can give a indeep explanation of the "pixel shaders"??? what the heck is that????

**Demigod** · March 10th, 2002, 22:36

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hhmmm.... anyone can give a indeep explanation of the "pixel shaders"??? what the heck is that????

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...116/index.html

An in-depth explanation and comparison of the DX 7 ("primitive processing") and DX 8 (pixel shader) rendering process.

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March 11th, 2002, 03:49

Actually nature test also does vertex shaders which the Geforce 4 MX certainly does not support, so it completely makes that test unusable. There was a certain benchmarker. Maybe aquamark?

I'm not sure. I'll look around. I'm not saying This is fact because I'm very much unsure. But I heard it has a single pixel shader and no vertex shader.

March 11th, 2002, 03:56

I believe I am wrong. I don't think it has pixel shading support, Other than using the Geforce 3 registry tweak which makes your CPU emulate those features.

Fou-lu · March 11th, 2002, 04:03

ChrisRay: You could have used the edit funtion for this you know.

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astroduck 發水麵包 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,435	Geforce card question I know this might a little off topic, but... Are there any graphics improvement between a Geforce 2 MX and a Geforce 4 MX?? I just check out the price between the 2 cards and it seems like Geforce 4 MX is not much expensive than geforce 2 MX. However, a Geforce 3 Ti or Geforce 4 Ti card cost A LOT!!!!!!! What is the reason behind it?

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March 10th, 2002, 07:49	#3
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	fivefeet8, is correct. This belongs in the Hardware Forum, so there it is going to go. sincerely, sx/amiga

March 10th, 2002, 07:52	#4
astroduck 發水麵包 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,435	Sorry for my lack of techology knowledge What is vertex shader?? I heard all Geforce MX cards are only running 80% power of the actual Geforce card(GTS, Ti). Is that true?? BTW, Sorry about posting this in the wrong forum, I will be careful next time.

March 10th, 2002, 07:59	#5
Fou-lu Lost in Time Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,289	Yep, the MX are crippled versions of the main chips. They run slower but are a lot cheaper.

March 10th, 2002, 08:00	#6
astroduck 發水麵包 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,435	So I guess I will save money for Geforce 3 Ti. But which model is better? Ti 200 or Ti 500?

March 10th, 2002, 08:06	#8
Fou-lu Lost in Time Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,289	Indeed. It's just a bit underclocked in relation to a GF4ti4600 but it is better than a GF3ti500

March 10th, 2002, 08:11	#9
astroduck 發水麵包 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,435	But I think is way too expensive.... I will just wait for price to drop a bit first(very soon)

March 10th, 2002, 09:22	#10
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	I have a Geforce3 Ti200 and it has served me well. You can find one for pretty cheap.

March 10th, 2002, 09:48	#11
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	The main graphical improvement of the Geforce 2 MX to the Geforce 4 MX is the FSAA quality and speed of it. Other than that, I don't think there was any real difference. I believe Geforce 4 MX has a pixel shader on it. But It's not dual like the Geforce 3 Or 4 TI, There is something about it that puts way under the 3 TI and 4 TI's/

March 10th, 2002, 17:13	#13
SadAngel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dominican Republic Posts: 624	hhmmm.... anyone can give a indeep explanation of the "pixel shaders"??? what the heck is that????

March 11th, 2002, 03:49	#15
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Actually nature test also does vertex shaders which the Geforce 4 MX certainly does not support, so it completely makes that test unusable. There was a certain benchmarker. Maybe aquamark? I'm not sure. I'll look around. I'm not saying This is fact because I'm very much unsure. But I heard it has a single pixel shader and no vertex shader.

March 11th, 2002, 03:56	#16
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	I believe I am wrong. I don't think it has pixel shading support, Other than using the Geforce 3 registry tweak which makes your CPU emulate those features.

March 11th, 2002, 04:03	#17
Fou-lu Lost in Time Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,289	ChrisRay: You could have used the edit funtion for this you know.