Shots from NextGL1.3

Adair · September 15th, 2001

OK here's the usual rundown, Celeron 600 @ 900, 128Mb, TNT2 ultra with NickK's NextGL1.3 MMX.

Great job, NickK. Every game I tried improved since the last version. I still can't get GT2 to play though. At least I got past the first two screens in GT2 by waiting about 20sec, but I got an error which made me reboot before I even bought a car. Also I tried using a savestate to start a race(like I did in NextGL1.1 & 1.2), but I got the same general program error.

Well on to the pics...Soul Reaver first

Adair · September 15th, 2001

Here's an in game from soul reaver, Raziel is looking at what's supposed to be a portal to another room, but it just shows up grey.

Adair · September 15th, 2001

Some spectral realm goons.

Adair · September 15th, 2001

The black band through the middle of this shot is supposed to a thin layer of transparent fog/mist.

**NickK** · September 15th, 2001

Oh! Thanks

About your problem with GT2. Go into the texture caching settings and turn the pirimitive cache up. You'll also want to check "flush at limit" in the primitive cache section. Some games eat up a lot of memory with 32-bit textures enabled. If you have 192MB RAM, set the cache to some large value like 128MB. I'm assuming you didn't check that out, but that's some helpful advice that I hope will get GT2 working for you!

Adair · September 15th, 2001

These last two shots of Soul Reaver are a comparison between NextGL1.3 and Pete's OpenGL1.52
I just did this so you can see how the blue ball is supposed to look with a tail/tracer instead alot of individual balls.

Adair · September 15th, 2001

Here's a similar shot with Pete's OpenGL.

**NickK** · September 15th, 2001

About the blue balls/fog. They don't look correct yet, because semi transparency isn't implemented yet. Um, that's something I'll do in a future release

**NickK** · September 15th, 2001

Hey, did you have brightness enabled as well?

Sure makes things brighter this time around, eh?

Adair · September 15th, 2001

Well here's how I had the config for all my games...
--------------
[NextGL] MMX/SIMD v1.3
--------------

--[Graphics settings]--
Screen Width: 800
Screen Height: 600
Color depth: 16
Full screen? (Yes)
Use Brightness? (Yes)
- Brightness level: 3 <-----I like brightness

--[Texture cache settings]--
Debug output? (No)
Debug output extended? (No)
Sprite cache debug output? (No)
Use texture caching? (Yes)
- Use sprite caching? (Yes)
- Limit Sprites? (Yes)
- Flush at limit? (No)
- Use primitive caching? (Yes)
- Enable notification? (Yes)
- Full page updates? (Yes)
- Enable memory manager? (Yes)
- Low notification freq? (No)
- Flush at limit? (Yes)
- Cache exit mode: Destroy

--[Frame limiting]--
Use frame limiting? (No)

See I had flush at limit already on.
BTW I have 128Mb RAM and the cache was already at 105Mb.
I appreaciate your tips, but... got anymore?

I'll put up more pics tomorrow, as I must get to bed now. I have pics of Tenchu2, Spiderman, Army men: Green Rogue, and Bushido Blade2. All have improved greatly since NextGL1.2
Thanks NickK,
Adair

**NickK** · September 15th, 2001

Actually... Try disabling notification and playing the game for a bit. See what happens

If the game works OK then it's just a texture uploading problem. Tell me how that works

vivrantpig · September 15th, 2001

your plugins coming along gr8.

Adair · September 15th, 2001

Oh well, same result without notification.
I'll catch up with you tomorrow.

**NickK** · September 15th, 2001

Thanks

Maybe one day I will get a copy of GT2 so I can make it playable sometime... ?

I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that it uses a lot of palettized textures.

**NickK** · September 15th, 2001

Here's, um, motion bluring

Hehehe

Adair · September 16th, 2001

Yep as you can see the menus get messed up pretty quick. Alot of times the mess can be cleaned by escape and resume, but I tried a couple of times to play the game and both times ePSXe crashed when I was trying to buy a car. I went to a dealership to buy a car and while I'm looking at the list of cars ePSXe crashes.

Adair · September 16th, 2001

Now for Tenchu2. This screen has been fixed since the last version.

Adair · September 16th, 2001

This is from a cutscene. It played very slow, about 5fps. Also some of the textures were messed up.

**Raziel** · September 16th, 2001

Did I hear Soul Reaver?

Adair · September 16th, 2001

In NextGL1.2 this screen was nothing but a grey background with a bunch of white squares in it. Now it looks perfect!

BTW when I do a stealth kill the screen goes completely grey till the kill scene is over.

September 15th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Shots from NextGL1.3 OK here's the usual rundown, Celeron 600 @ 900, 128Mb, TNT2 ultra with NickK's NextGL1.3 MMX. Great job, NickK. Every game I tried improved since the last version. I still can't get GT2 to play though. At least I got past the first two screens in GT2 by waiting about 20sec, but I got an error which made me reboot before I even bought a car. Also I tried using a savestate to start a race(like I did in NextGL1.1 & 1.2), but I got the same general program error. Well on to the pics...Soul Reaver first __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Here's an in game from soul reaver, Raziel is looking at what's supposed to be a portal to another room, but it just shows up grey. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#3 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Some spectral realm goons. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#4 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	The black band through the middle of this shot is supposed to a thin layer of transparent fog/mist. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#5 (permalink)
NickK Emu author Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,756	Oh! Thanks About your problem with GT2. Go into the texture caching settings and turn the pirimitive cache up. You'll also want to check "flush at limit" in the primitive cache section. Some games eat up a lot of memory with 32-bit textures enabled. If you have 192MB RAM, set the cache to some large value like 128MB. I'm assuming you didn't check that out, but that's some helpful advice that I hope will get GT2 working for you! __________________ [sig=54] [sig=253]

September 15th, 2001	#6 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	These last two shots of Soul Reaver are a comparison between NextGL1.3 and Pete's OpenGL1.52 I just did this so you can see how the blue ball is supposed to look with a tail/tracer instead alot of individual balls. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#7 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Here's a similar shot with Pete's OpenGL. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
NickK Emu author Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,756	About the blue balls/fog. They don't look correct yet, because semi transparency isn't implemented yet. Um, that's something I'll do in a future release __________________ [sig=54] [sig=253]

September 15th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
NickK Emu author Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,756	Hey, did you have brightness enabled as well? Sure makes things brighter this time around, eh? __________________ [sig=54] [sig=253]

September 15th, 2001	#10 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Well here's how I had the config for all my games... -------------- [NextGL] MMX/SIMD v1.3 -------------- --[Graphics settings]-- Screen Width: 800 Screen Height: 600 Color depth: 16 Full screen? (Yes) Use Brightness? (Yes) - Brightness level: 3 <-----I like brightness --[Texture cache settings]-- Debug output? (No) Debug output extended? (No) Sprite cache debug output? (No) Use texture caching? (Yes) - Use sprite caching? (Yes) - Limit Sprites? (Yes) - Flush at limit? (No) - Use primitive caching? (Yes) - Enable notification? (Yes) - Full page updates? (Yes) - Enable memory manager? (Yes) - Low notification freq? (No) - Flush at limit? (Yes) - Cache exit mode: Destroy --[Frame limiting]-- Use frame limiting? (No) See I had flush at limit already on. BTW I have 128Mb RAM and the cache was already at 105Mb. I appreaciate your tips, but... got anymore? I'll put up more pics tomorrow, as I must get to bed now. I have pics of Tenchu2, Spiderman, Army men: Green Rogue, and Bushido Blade2. All have improved greatly since NextGL1.2 Thanks NickK, Adair __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply) Last edited by Adair; September 15th, 2001 at 05:25.

September 15th, 2001	#11 (permalink)
NickK Emu author Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,756	Actually... Try disabling notification and playing the game for a bit. See what happens If the game works OK then it's just a texture uploading problem. Tell me how that works __________________ [sig=54] [sig=253]

September 15th, 2001	#12 (permalink)
vivrantpig (>^_^)> KIRBY Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,609	your plugins coming along gr8.

September 15th, 2001	#13 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Oh well, same result without notification. I'll catch up with you tomorrow. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 15th, 2001	#14 (permalink)
NickK Emu author Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,756	Thanks Maybe one day I will get a copy of GT2 so I can make it playable sometime... ? I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that it uses a lot of palettized textures. __________________ [sig=54] [sig=253]

September 15th, 2001	#15 (permalink)
NickK Emu author Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,756	Here's, um, motion bluring Hehehe __________________ [sig=54] [sig=253]

September 16th, 2001	#19 (permalink)
Raziel Beta Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Nantes, France Posts: 6,144	Did I hear Soul Reaver? __________________ System Specs: OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64 Edition CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 @3.5GHz Video Card: MSI GeForce 8800 GTX Motherboard: ASUS Maximus Formula SE RAM: 4GB OCZ XMS2 PC6400 Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS

September 16th, 2001	#16 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Yep as you can see the menus get messed up pretty quick. Alot of times the mess can be cleaned by escape and resume, but I tried a couple of times to play the game and both times ePSXe crashed when I was trying to buy a car. I went to a dealership to buy a car and while I'm looking at the list of cars ePSXe crashes. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 16th, 2001	#17 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Now for Tenchu2. This screen has been fixed since the last version. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 16th, 2001	#18 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	This is from a cutscene. It played very slow, about 5fps. Also some of the textures were messed up. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

September 16th, 2001	#20 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	In NextGL1.2 this screen was nothing but a grey background with a bunch of white squares in it. Now it looks perfect! BTW when I do a stealth kill the screen goes completely grey till the kill scene is over. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

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