Petes D3D and a Kyro

Ninjaa · December 6th, 2001

Alright, I know that I am beating a dead horse here. I am sorry for making a new thread, but I thought it would be nice if Kyro users who have ePSXe working would

1) post their plugin
2) post any problems that they have
3) post their settings
4) post their driver version, and maker of the driver
5) post Windows version
6) directx version

The problems are as follows:
Pete's D3D - looks great, but hangs after 1 -2 minutes of playing
Pete's OpenGL - Sloooooow. Slower than the soft.
Pete's Soft - Runs good, but image quality is zero.

I know that there are some people who do not have problems. I have been obsessively trying to solve the problems, but have not managed to solve anything. I would appreciate any help people might give. (Also, I know that a Kyro is not a good buy. Please don't mock me. It would be ok except for ePSXe)

Thank you for any help you might provide.

-=Ninja=-

**liquid** · December 6th, 2001

Have you tried NickK's Next3D? The plugin is not as matured as pete's but...it's better than nothing

if the problem still presists (lock-up after 1-2 minutes) you might want to try going into the bios and setting the AGP speed to 2x.

Ninjaa · December 7th, 2001

The card doesn't run at all with 4X AGP. I tried Nik's plugin but it runs at insanely fast speeds. Much too fast to be playable, and I have no idea how to slow it down. Every plugin I have tried does that except for Pete's. I really cannot explain why either. It pretty much does away with the alternatives.

Cyberman · December 9th, 2001

Quote:

The card doesn't run at all with 4X AGP. I tried Nik's plugin but it runs at insanely fast speeds. Much too fast to be playable, and I have no idea how to slow it down. Every plugin I have tried does that except for Pete's. I really cannot explain why either. It pretty much does away with the alternatives.

That's because most gpus run as fast as they can. Pete's has a frame limiting capability that can sync with the 'frame' rate of the display. This is useful especially when you have a fast card, IE the Kyro.

Nick said he is going to add in Fram limiting but as he is on break for a bit

it might be a little bit before he gets too it.

The Kyro is technically a great card, logistically it's a nightmare because it's limited in what it supports.

Cyb

Ninjaa · December 11th, 2001

Actually, even the plugins that do have frame limitations do not run at the correct speed.

But I have a question for Pete (If he is reading this). Pete, do you know why the Kyro chipset does not work with your plugins?

Cyberman · December 12th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Ninja
[b]Actually, even the plugins that do have frame limitations do not run at the correct speed.

Did you find an option for VSYNC?
I know on Kazzuya's soft GPU there is one and this will prevent it from going too fast. All this does is use your monitors vertical sync to guage the frame rate timing.

Cyb

sonicfoot · December 12th, 2001

sorry if this has nothing to do with this topic, but im very interested with the kyro, which kyro are you talking about in the first place? the kyro 1 or kyro 2?
just how fast is a kyro 1 and kyro2?
thanks!

Ninjaa · December 12th, 2001

I have tried the Vsync option, and it still did not work right. Segu's has a fram limit option too, but it says that it is running at 34 fps, and it is actually running at about 90.

I have a Hercules 4000XT. (Kyro I). It works quite well with PC fps games, with a fairly high frame rate. However, it doesn't work with ePSXe, and has minor problems with Metal Gear Solid and Jane's USAF. 3DMark 2001 also does not benchmark well with it. ePSXe incompatability is a big problem for me, and I don't play a lot of fps game, and I don't really want it anymore because of that.

If you want one, I can sell you one that is in good condition. If you live in the US, I'll give you a good bargain. $60 Canadian + shipping. That amounts to about $40 USD plus shipping.

NachoKun · December 15th, 2001

Hi there,

well, I also got a Kyro graphics card (3D Prophet 4500 w/ TV-out; Kyro II 64 MB), and I think it's a great gfx card.
It's even faster than a GeForce 2 MX-400 with most games that support high resolutions (i.e. 1024x768 and above), and it's sometimes even as fast as a GF2 GTS, although the Kyro is a low-budget card!

Anyhow, unfortunately the Kyro doesn't work well with Pete's D3D/OGL plugins for me...

With Pete's D3D gpu plugin 1.55 it's the common symptoms like Ninja mentioned. However with Pete's OpenGL gpu 1.55 most games work just fine here! Just, when I press the Esc key to exit the game the screen would turn black and it'd just freeze (I can still move my mouse cursor though...) and I'd have to reboot my PC!

To Ninja: Maybe you should install the PowerVR reference drivers (www.powervr.com) to get OpenGL running. I was having problems with OpenGL games/apps as well, before I installed the PowerVR reference drivers! So, I'd suggest you give it a try.

Here are my system specs: (I know my CPU sucks... I'm gonna get a new one soon, when I get money.. heheh

)

Pentium II 233 @ 291 Mhz
96 MB PC-100 RAM + 128 MB PC-133 RAM @ 100 Mhz
Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 w/ TV Out
Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 1024

Windows XP Final Build 2600

----------------------------------------------

Plugin: Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.1.55
Author: Pete Bernert
Card vendor: Imagination Technologies
GFX card: PowerVR KYRO

Resolution/Color:
- 1024x768 Fullscreen - Desktop changing [32 Bit]
- Keep psx aspect ratio: off

Textures:
- R5G5B5A1
- Filtering: 0
- Caching: 2

Framerate:
- FPS limitation: off
- Frame skipping: off
- FPS limit: Auto

Compatibility:
- Offscreen drawing: 2
- Framebuffer texture: 2
- Alpha multipass: on
- Mask bit: off
- Advanced blending: on

Misc:
- Scanlines: off
- Line mode: off
- Unfiltered FB: on
- Dithering: off
- Full vram: off
- Game fixes: off [00000000]

----------------------------------------------
====================
----------------------------------------------

Plugin: Pete's D3D Driver 1.1.55
Author: Pete Bernert
GFX card: PowerVR KYRO II 32MB/64MB

Resolution/Color:
- 800x600 Fullscreen - [32 Bit]

Textures:
- R8G8A8A8
- Filtering: 6
- Caching: 2

Framerate:
- FPS limit: on
- Frame skipping: off
- FPS limit: Auto

Compatibility:
- Offscreen drawing: 0
- Framebuffer texture: 2
- Alpha multipass: on
- Mask bit: off
- Advanced blending: hardware

Misc:
- Scanlines: off [0]
- Unfiltered FB: on
- Dithering: off
- Full vram: off
- Game fixes: off [00000000]

----------------------------------------------

Well, that's about it. Thanks for reading.
And good luck to you Ninja with your Kyro card!

To Pete: Nice plugins, pity these ones don't work well with my system :o

Cheers,
NachoKun

Ninjaa · December 18th, 2001

NachoKun, thank you for your help. I am having a bit of trouble installing the reference drivers right now, but I will work some more on it tomorrow.

About the black screen on exiting ePSXe though, I found that if you press ALT + F4 when the black screen comes up, you don't have to reboot. Thanks again for all your help.

NachoKun · December 19th, 2001

Oh, thanks! Alt+F4 works indeed... I thought I had tried it already, but oh well, it works now.

Thanks again!

Cheers,
NachoKun

December 6th, 2001	#1 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 0	Petes D3D and a Kyro Alright, I know that I am beating a dead horse here. I am sorry for making a new thread, but I thought it would be nice if Kyro users who have ePSXe working would 1) post their plugin 2) post any problems that they have 3) post their settings 4) post their driver version, and maker of the driver 5) post Windows version 6) directx version The problems are as follows: Pete's D3D - looks great, but hangs after 1 -2 minutes of playing Pete's OpenGL - Sloooooow. Slower than the soft. Pete's Soft - Runs good, but image quality is zero. I know that there are some people who do not have problems. I have been obsessively trying to solve the problems, but have not managed to solve anything. I would appreciate any help people might give. (Also, I know that a Kyro is not a good buy. Please don't mock me. It would be ok except for ePSXe) Thank you for any help you might provide. -=Ninja=-

December 15th, 2001	#9 (permalink)
NachoKun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 21	Hi there, well, I also got a Kyro graphics card (3D Prophet 4500 w/ TV-out; Kyro II 64 MB), and I think it's a great gfx card. It's even faster than a GeForce 2 MX-400 with most games that support high resolutions (i.e. 1024x768 and above), and it's sometimes even as fast as a GF2 GTS, although the Kyro is a low-budget card! Anyhow, unfortunately the Kyro doesn't work well with Pete's D3D/OGL plugins for me... With Pete's D3D gpu plugin 1.55 it's the common symptoms like Ninja mentioned. However with Pete's OpenGL gpu 1.55 most games work just fine here! Just, when I press the Esc key to exit the game the screen would turn black and it'd just freeze (I can still move my mouse cursor though...) and I'd have to reboot my PC! To Ninja: Maybe you should install the PowerVR reference drivers (www.powervr.com) to get OpenGL running. I was having problems with OpenGL games/apps as well, before I installed the PowerVR reference drivers! So, I'd suggest you give it a try. Here are my system specs: (I know my CPU sucks... I'm gonna get a new one soon, when I get money.. heheh ) Pentium II 233 @ 291 Mhz 96 MB PC-100 RAM + 128 MB PC-133 RAM @ 100 Mhz Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 w/ TV Out Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 1024 Windows XP Final Build 2600 ---------------------------------------------- Plugin: Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.1.55 Author: Pete Bernert Card vendor: Imagination Technologies GFX card: PowerVR KYRO Resolution/Color: - 1024x768 Fullscreen - Desktop changing [32 Bit] - Keep psx aspect ratio: off Textures: - R5G5B5A1 - Filtering: 0 - Caching: 2 Framerate: - FPS limitation: off - Frame skipping: off - FPS limit: Auto Compatibility: - Offscreen drawing: 2 - Framebuffer texture: 2 - Alpha multipass: on - Mask bit: off - Advanced blending: on Misc: - Scanlines: off - Line mode: off - Unfiltered FB: on - Dithering: off - Full vram: off - Game fixes: off [00000000] ---------------------------------------------- ==================== ---------------------------------------------- Plugin: Pete's D3D Driver 1.1.55 Author: Pete Bernert GFX card: PowerVR KYRO II 32MB/64MB Resolution/Color: - 800x600 Fullscreen - [32 Bit] Textures: - R8G8A8A8 - Filtering: 6 - Caching: 2 Framerate: - FPS limit: on - Frame skipping: off - FPS limit: Auto Compatibility: - Offscreen drawing: 0 - Framebuffer texture: 2 - Alpha multipass: on - Mask bit: off - Advanced blending: hardware Misc: - Scanlines: off [0] - Unfiltered FB: on - Dithering: off - Full vram: off - Game fixes: off [00000000] ---------------------------------------------- Well, that's about it. Thanks for reading. And good luck to you Ninja with your Kyro card! To Pete: Nice plugins, pity these ones don't work well with my system :o Cheers, NachoKun __________________ saru mo ki kara ochiru :P Last edited by NachoKun; December 15th, 2001 at 17:43.

December 19th, 2001	#11 (permalink)
NachoKun Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 21	Oh, thanks! Alt+F4 works indeed... I thought I had tried it already, but oh well, it works now. Thanks again! Cheers, NachoKun __________________ saru mo ki kara ochiru :P

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December 6th, 2001	#2 (permalink)
liquid Ebichu! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Posts: 2,089	Have you tried NickK's Next3D? The plugin is not as matured as pete's but...it's better than nothing if the problem still presists (lock-up after 1-2 minutes) you might want to try going into the bios and setting the AGP speed to 2x.

December 7th, 2001	#3 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 0	The card doesn't run at all with 4X AGP. I tried Nik's plugin but it runs at insanely fast speeds. Much too fast to be playable, and I have no idea how to slow it down. Every plugin I have tried does that except for Pete's. I really cannot explain why either. It pretty much does away with the alternatives.

December 11th, 2001	#5 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 0	Actually, even the plugins that do have frame limitations do not run at the correct speed. But I have a question for Pete (If he is reading this). Pete, do you know why the Kyro chipset does not work with your plugins?

December 12th, 2001	#7 (permalink)
sonicfoot Why im I not Happy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: England Posts: 711	sorry if this has nothing to do with this topic, but im very interested with the kyro, which kyro are you talking about in the first place? the kyro 1 or kyro 2? just how fast is a kyro 1 and kyro2? thanks!

December 12th, 2001	#8 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 0	I have tried the Vsync option, and it still did not work right. Segu's has a fram limit option too, but it says that it is running at 34 fps, and it is actually running at about 90. I have a Hercules 4000XT. (Kyro I). It works quite well with PC fps games, with a fairly high frame rate. However, it doesn't work with ePSXe, and has minor problems with Metal Gear Solid and Jane's USAF. 3DMark 2001 also does not benchmark well with it. ePSXe incompatability is a big problem for me, and I don't play a lot of fps game, and I don't really want it anymore because of that. If you want one, I can sell you one that is in good condition. If you live in the US, I'll give you a good bargain. $60 Canadian + shipping. That amounts to about $40 USD plus shipping.

December 18th, 2001	#10 (permalink)
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 0	NachoKun, thank you for your help. I am having a bit of trouble installing the reference drivers right now, but I will work some more on it tomorrow. About the black screen on exiting ePSXe though, I found that if you press ALT + F4 when the black screen comes up, you don't have to reboot. Thanks again for all your help.