Ocarina of Time - black grounds

pigster · November 17th, 2008

i've tested out both master quest and original ocarina of time and they both have this problem. the ground in the kokiri forest is all black, as is the deku tree. areas with water are sometimes black, sometimes fine. other than that, the game runs really well.
i'm using project64 v1.6 with jabo's direct3D8 1.6.

here are some pics to demonstrate what i mean-
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...gs01/black.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...s01/blackz.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...timesblack.jpg

any help will be greatly appreciated, cheers.

drwhojan · November 17th, 2008

You could try all diffrent plugins, and mess around with the setings, you will come across one that will work soon!

Guild plugin seams to be the best for most people

pigster · November 17th, 2008

!! thanks for the speedy reply

hate to a noob here but can you give any help as to where to find these plugins?

drwhojan · November 17th, 2008

Try hear!

NGEmu - Project64 plugins

Squall-Leonhart · November 17th, 2008

Project64 already comes with a plugin that is compatible with your display card/chip

Jabo's Direct3D6 1.5.

The black grounds are a known issue when using Geforce 4MX and lower when using Detonator 50 and higher display drivers.

Prior to Det50's, several shaders were emulated in the drivers, because they are no longer emulated the game renders black ground and walls, sometimes flames are also the wrong colour.

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pigster · November 17th, 2008

ah, thanks for the reply.
and i take it there's no fix or way around it (your post was real informative, i doubt you'd leave out tha bit of information :P )

Squall-Leonhart · November 17th, 2008

Its worse in Majoras Mask

due to having even better graphics walls, face's, people can disappear.

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pigster · November 17th, 2008

ah, i'm not too fussed about majora's mask. i've played both several times and still have the actual games and a nintendo 64, but i never played the Master Quest, hence trying an emulated version.

drwhojan · November 17th, 2008

It depense on the video card in your system, I have a old voodoo 2 pci card and it almost runs perfect to the original n64 system!, also its the way you set the setings, guildx2 work perfect with my voodoo 2 card but not the new guildx3

As i send try diffrent plugins and setings depending on your graphics card!

Last edited by drwhojan; November 17th, 2008 at 12:03..

**cooliscool** · November 17th, 2008

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Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Its worse in Majoras Mask

due to having even better graphics walls, face's, people can disappear.

Yeah, MM uses some of the most complex blending operations the RDP is capable of. Really, really a pain to emulate on the PC. In my Z64 editor, only about 15% of MM models look accurate, while 99% of OoT models do.

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Squall-Leonhart · November 18th, 2008

The only face i really remember going wierd on my old mx440, was the Goron mask. However i know FD:Links armour had mis-coloured textures

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pigster · November 18th, 2008

heh. i tried glN64 and it's working fine, water and ground are normal.
HOWEVER, this plugin has a new problem which is-
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/Piggs01/menu.jpg

this makes the game more playable, but any solution to this would be appreciated.

Squall-Leonhart · November 18th, 2008

as i said, you should just use the Direct3D 6 plugin, that comes with PJ64

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pigster · November 18th, 2008

that's the one that causes the black ground/water issue. i think i'd choose glitched menu over black ground as it doesnt really affect the gameplay as much.

Squall-Leonhart · November 18th, 2008

theres 2 Jabo Direct3D plugins

Direct3D8 1.6 (this causes the black surfaces)
Direct3D6 1.5.2 (This should work fine on TNT2 and higher.)

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November 17th, 2008	#1 (permalink)
pigster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: australia Posts: 6	Ocarina of Time - black grounds i've tested out both master quest and original ocarina of time and they both have this problem. the ground in the kokiri forest is all black, as is the deku tree. areas with water are sometimes black, sometimes fine. other than that, the game runs really well. i'm using project64 v1.6 with jabo's direct3D8 1.6. here are some pics to demonstrate what i mean- http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...gs01/black.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...s01/blackz.jpg http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...timesblack.jpg any help will be greatly appreciated, cheers.

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November 17th, 2008	#2 (permalink)
drwhojan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: England Posts: 517	You could try all diffrent plugins, and mess around with the setings, you will come across one that will work soon! Guild plugin seams to be the best for most people

November 17th, 2008	#3 (permalink)
pigster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: australia Posts: 6	!! thanks for the speedy reply hate to a noob here but can you give any help as to where to find these plugins?

November 17th, 2008	#4 (permalink)
drwhojan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: England Posts: 517	Try hear! NGEmu - Project64 plugins

November 17th, 2008	#5 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	Project64 already comes with a plugin that is compatible with your display card/chip Jabo's Direct3D6 1.5. The black grounds are a known issue when using Geforce 4MX and lower when using Detonator 50 and higher display drivers. Prior to Det50's, several shaders were emulated in the drivers, because they are no longer emulated the game renders black ground and walls, sometimes flames are also the wrong colour. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

November 17th, 2008	#6 (permalink)
pigster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: australia Posts: 6	ah, thanks for the reply. and i take it there's no fix or way around it (your post was real informative, i doubt you'd leave out tha bit of information :P )

November 17th, 2008	#7 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	Its worse in Majoras Mask due to having even better graphics walls, face's, people can disappear. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

November 17th, 2008	#8 (permalink)
pigster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: australia Posts: 6	ah, i'm not too fussed about majora's mask. i've played both several times and still have the actual games and a nintendo 64, but i never played the Master Quest, hence trying an emulated version.

November 17th, 2008	#9 (permalink)
drwhojan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: England Posts: 517	It depense on the video card in your system, I have a old voodoo 2 pci card and it almost runs perfect to the original n64 system!, also its the way you set the setings, guildx2 work perfect with my voodoo 2 card but not the new guildx3 As i send try diffrent plugins and setings depending on your graphics card! Last edited by drwhojan; November 17th, 2008 at 12:03..

November 18th, 2008	#11 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	The only face i really remember going wierd on my old mx440, was the Goron mask. However i know FD:Links armour had mis-coloured textures __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

November 18th, 2008	#12 (permalink)
pigster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: australia Posts: 6	heh. i tried glN64 and it's working fine, water and ground are normal. HOWEVER, this plugin has a new problem which is- http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/Piggs01/menu.jpg this makes the game more playable, but any solution to this would be appreciated.

November 18th, 2008	#13 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	as i said, you should just use the Direct3D 6 plugin, that comes with PJ64 __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

November 18th, 2008	#14 (permalink)
pigster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: australia Posts: 6	that's the one that causes the black ground/water issue. i think i'd choose glitched menu over black ground as it doesnt really affect the gameplay as much.

November 18th, 2008	#15 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,854	theres 2 Jabo Direct3D plugins Direct3D8 1.6 (this causes the black surfaces) Direct3D6 1.5.2 (This should work fine on TNT2 and higher.) __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.