Final Fantasy 8 (OpenGL 1.76, Framebuffer stuff, Lord Kane)

emusnicker · July 15th, 2005

I'm using Lord Kane's Pete's OpenGL 1.76 recommendation from here:

http://www.lordkane.co.uk/images/FF8-OGL1.png

1) Does setting Framebuffer Textures and Access to 0 kill any interesting effects in the game other than the battle swirl and some screen fading in/out effects? The battle swirl doesn't work correctly with the OpenGL1 plugin but with these 2 set to zero it doesn't look as bad.

2) When I leave certain areas in the game, like Garden, the screen doesn't fade out any more and just stays there, followed by some display corruption and then goes to the world map. Is there any way to get the effect with the plugin?

SPECS: Radeon 9700 Pro, Athlon XP 1800, 512 Ram, Windows XP, Pete's OpenGL 1.76 plugin

**n_w95482** · July 16th, 2005

If it kills stuff like the swirl and transitions, it's killing anything framebuffer related. You should try using OpenGL2 with that card, although the transitions are screwed in it. If you get the swirls to work, there's flickering health/limit break boxes in battle and if you fix the flickering, the swirls get broken. Other than that, it seems to work very well

.

Edit: I spent a little bit of time fooling around with Pete's OpenGL plugin and I believe I've found the perfect settings for FF8. I'm not sure if it's been posted before though

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Plugin: Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.1.76
Author: Pete Bernert
Card vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
GFX card: GeForce 6800 GT/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!

Resolution/Color:
- 640x480 Window mode
[32 Bit]- Keep psx aspect ratio: off

Textures:
- R8G8B8A8
- Filtering: 0
- Hi-Res textures: 0
- VRam size: 256 MBytes

Framerate:
- FPS limitation: on
- Frame skipping: off
- FPS limit: Auto

Compatibility:
- Offscreen drawing: 3
- Framebuffer texture: 2 (or 1)
- Framebuffer access: 1
- Alpha multipass: on
- Mask bit: on
- Advanced blending: on

Misc:
- Scanlines: off
- Line mode: off
- Unfiltered FB: off
- 15 bit FB: off
- Dithering: off
- Screen smoothing: off
- Screen cushion: off
- Game fixes: off [00000000]

Using those settings, I got nice swirls and no flickering in battle. I just need to try summoning a GF.

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Whoever · July 16th, 2005

These settings work great on my ATI 9600 card, thanks.

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**n_w95482** · July 16th, 2005

I was quite shocked to find out that those settings fixed both the swirl and the various stats in battle, usually it's one of the other that are fixed. I don't recall seeing any other FF8 settings like this but I'll look around throughly before I make any claims to the ultra l33t FF8 settings

. Good to hear it's working on an ATi card just fine, I was worried that it might not have handled the framebuffer texture setting well (ATi cards aren't too great with framebuffer stuff).

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**hushypushy** · July 16th, 2005

are you using AA with that?

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**n_w95482** · July 16th, 2005

I didn't have AA turned on at the time of testing.

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galson · July 16th, 2005

Wow, really awesome settings, n_w95482. They also work perfectly on my GF 2MX, although the music is a bit slow. No flickering during moving between locations and the battle swirl is very cool. GFs work perfectly as well, just look at the pics

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**hushypushy** · July 17th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by n_w95482

I didn't have AA turned on at the time of testing.

hmm...i'll have to do that testing then, i want to see with texture filtering and AA.....

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**n_w95482** · July 17th, 2005

I wonder how it'll run with 8xS AA turned on

. I've also made a 30 second video of the settings in case anyone wants it.

Edit: Here's a picture showing the above settings with 8xS AA added as well as texture filtering set to 6. It looks quite nice

. I noticed some framebuffer glitches in the Fire Cavern (some of that weird blackness) but it's nowhere near as bad as before and it seemed to fix itself after a few battles.

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emusnicker · July 17th, 2005

n_w95482 Question: When you are on the world map (like just before you get to the Fire Cavern), if you open your menu and close it again, do you see some display corruption for a second? Just curious if this happens with Geforce cards too.

**n_w95482** · July 18th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by emusnicker

n_w95482 Question: When you are on the world map (like just before you get to the Fire Cavern), if you open your menu and close it again, do you see some display corruption for a second? Just curious if this happens with Geforce cards too.

Yes, I get the corruption as well. Does it look like this on your computer?

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galson · July 18th, 2005

Hmmm, I didn't get the corruption...

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emusnicker · July 18th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by n_w95482

Yes, I get the corruption as well. Does it look like this on your computer?

Yeah. It doesn't seem to happen outside of the worldmap though so I guess it's all good. Seems to be an OpenGL plugin issue.

dutchMasta · July 18th, 2005

Damn, I spent ages trying to get it to work, I found a near perfect config but not perfect, or close enough to perfection, like this one (apparently, haven't tested yet).
Could it be the update that fixed this, coz I haven't done any testing with the latest updates of the plugins (last OGL I used - 1.75, OGL2 - 2.7).
Anyway, maybe that means OGL2 works well too? I can't test right now, but if no one has, I'll do it sooner or later.

emusnicker · July 18th, 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchMasta

Could it be the update that fixed this, coz I haven't done any testing with the latest updates of the plugins (last OGL I used - 1.75, OGL2 - 2.7).

Fixes what? The battle swirl?

dutchMasta · July 19th, 2005

Yeah, the battle swirl, sorry, should've said that.

**n_w95482** · July 19th, 2005

I tried lowering framebuffer textures from 2 to 1 and it seemed like the corruption when exiting the menu is less severe. I tried one battle and everything seemed to still work okay.

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emusnicker · July 20th, 2005

One annoying problem I found is that the display corruption (from closing the menu on the world map) sometimes also occurs before/during certain movie sequences in the game (about half of them, like the cutscene at the end of Disc 1 with Squall in the car).

The special game fixes "lazy upload detection" and/or "swap front/back detection" fix this (in the movies), but create other issues. Lazy upload messed up the videos in other ways and swap front/back removes some effects in the game, like fading in/out.

Last edited by emusnicker; July 20th, 2005 at 02:01..

theinner6 · July 21st, 2005

I'm trying to run FF8 using ePSXe and Pete's D3D Driver 1.76, Pete's DX6 D3D Driver 1.76, Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.76, and Pete's OpenGL2 Driver 2.7 and none of them work. All of the plugins except for the OpenGL2 driver, run the game at a super fast speed. Also, some show the HP for my characters in battles and some don't. I am using the real NTSC PSX discs to play. I am also trying to use these plugins through a PSX cheater called PSX Emulation Cheater Build 1123.

When I use the settings listed above, the game moves super slow. Any suggestions otherwise?
My system specs are:

WinXP SP2
P4 2.1GHZ
128MB Nvidia Ti4200

If anyone can direct me to a plugin that would be appropriate and fix these problems or know how I can slow down the game, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

**hushypushy** · July 21st, 2005

just for further noting, please do not make multiple posts about the same thing. i've answered your question in this thread and closed your made thread. to everyone else, please ignore the post in this thread.

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July 15th, 2005	#1 (permalink)
emusnicker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 111	Final Fantasy 8 (OpenGL 1.76, Framebuffer stuff, Lord Kane) I'm using Lord Kane's Pete's OpenGL 1.76 recommendation from here: http://www.lordkane.co.uk/images/FF8-OGL1.png 1) Does setting Framebuffer Textures and Access to 0 kill any interesting effects in the game other than the battle swirl and some screen fading in/out effects? The battle swirl doesn't work correctly with the OpenGL1 plugin but with these 2 set to zero it doesn't look as bad. 2) When I leave certain areas in the game, like Garden, the screen doesn't fade out any more and just stays there, followed by some display corruption and then goes to the world map. Is there any way to get the effect with the plugin? SPECS: Radeon 9700 Pro, Athlon XP 1800, 512 Ram, Windows XP, Pete's OpenGL 1.76 plugin

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July 16th, 2005	#2 (permalink)
n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	If it kills stuff like the swirl and transitions, it's killing anything framebuffer related. You should try using OpenGL2 with that card, although the transitions are screwed in it. If you get the swirls to work, there's flickering health/limit break boxes in battle and if you fix the flickering, the swirls get broken. Other than that, it seems to work very well . Edit: I spent a little bit of time fooling around with Pete's OpenGL plugin and I believe I've found the perfect settings for FF8. I'm not sure if it's been posted before though . Plugin: Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.1.76 Author: Pete Bernert Card vendor: NVIDIA Corporation GFX card: GeForce 6800 GT/AGP/SSE/3DNOW! Resolution/Color: - 640x480 Window mode [32 Bit]- Keep psx aspect ratio: off Textures: - R8G8B8A8 - Filtering: 0 - Hi-Res textures: 0 - VRam size: 256 MBytes Framerate: - FPS limitation: on - Frame skipping: off - FPS limit: Auto Compatibility: - Offscreen drawing: 3 - Framebuffer texture: 2 (or 1) - Framebuffer access: 1 - Alpha multipass: on - Mask bit: on - Advanced blending: on Misc: - Scanlines: off - Line mode: off - Unfiltered FB: off - 15 bit FB: off - Dithering: off - Screen smoothing: off - Screen cushion: off - Game fixes: off [00000000] Using those settings, I got nice swirls and no flickering in battle. I just need to try summoning a GF. __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune Last edited by n_w95482; January 3rd, 2007 at 02:26..

July 16th, 2005	#3 (permalink)
Whoever Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Narragansett, RI. USA Posts: 188	These settings work great on my ATI 9600 card, thanks. __________________ Compaq SR1000Z: AMD Sempron 3000+ (Barton - 2.0Ghz - 512K L2 Cache) Asus mobo - VIA KM400 1GB PC2700 RAM: (512 Samsung, 512 Micron) OEM Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB @ 486/234 Seagate 7200rpm 80gig Samsung CD-RW 48x16x16 Generic 250W PSU 19" LG Widescreen LCD 16:10 1440x900 Windows XP Home

July 16th, 2005	#4 (permalink)
n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	I was quite shocked to find out that those settings fixed both the swirl and the various stats in battle, usually it's one of the other that are fixed. I don't recall seeing any other FF8 settings like this but I'll look around throughly before I make any claims to the ultra l33t FF8 settings . Good to hear it's working on an ATi card just fine, I was worried that it might not have handled the framebuffer texture setting well (ATi cards aren't too great with framebuffer stuff). __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune Last edited by n_w95482; July 16th, 2005 at 05:55..

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July 16th, 2005	#6 (permalink)
n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	I didn't have AA turned on at the time of testing. __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune

July 17th, 2005	#9 (permalink)
n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	I wonder how it'll run with 8xS AA turned on . I've also made a 30 second video of the settings in case anyone wants it. Edit: Here's a picture showing the above settings with 8xS AA added as well as texture filtering set to 6. It looks quite nice . I noticed some framebuffer glitches in the Fire Cavern (some of that weird blackness) but it's nowhere near as bad as before and it seemed to fix itself after a few battles. __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune Last edited by n_w95482; July 17th, 2005 at 03:22..

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emusnicker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 111	n_w95482 Question: When you are on the world map (like just before you get to the Fire Cavern), if you open your menu and close it again, do you see some display corruption for a second? Just curious if this happens with Geforce cards too.

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dutchMasta Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 152	Damn, I spent ages trying to get it to work, I found a near perfect config but not perfect, or close enough to perfection, like this one (apparently, haven't tested yet). Could it be the update that fixed this, coz I haven't done any testing with the latest updates of the plugins (last OGL I used - 1.75, OGL2 - 2.7). Anyway, maybe that means OGL2 works well too? I can't test right now, but if no one has, I'll do it sooner or later.

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dutchMasta Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 152	Yeah, the battle swirl, sorry, should've said that.

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n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,770	I tried lowering framebuffer textures from 2 to 1 and it seemed like the corruption when exiting the menu is less severe. I tried one battle and everything seemed to still work okay. __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune

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emusnicker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 111	One annoying problem I found is that the display corruption (from closing the menu on the world map) sometimes also occurs before/during certain movie sequences in the game (about half of them, like the cutscene at the end of Disc 1 with Squall in the car). The special game fixes "lazy upload detection" and/or "swap front/back detection" fix this (in the movies), but create other issues. Lazy upload messed up the videos in other ways and swap front/back removes some effects in the game, like fading in/out. Last edited by emusnicker; July 20th, 2005 at 02:01..

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theinner6 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Nowhere Posts: 6	I'm trying to run FF8 using ePSXe and Pete's D3D Driver 1.76, Pete's DX6 D3D Driver 1.76, Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.76, and Pete's OpenGL2 Driver 2.7 and none of them work. All of the plugins except for the OpenGL2 driver, run the game at a super fast speed. Also, some show the HP for my characters in battles and some don't. I am using the real NTSC PSX discs to play. I am also trying to use these plugins through a PSX cheater called PSX Emulation Cheater Build 1123. When I use the settings listed above, the game moves super slow. Any suggestions otherwise? My system specs are: WinXP SP2 P4 2.1GHZ 128MB Nvidia Ti4200 If anyone can direct me to a plugin that would be appropriate and fix these problems or know how I can slow down the game, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

July 21st, 2005	#20 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,978	just for further noting, please do not make multiple posts about the same thing. i've answered your question in this thread and closed your made thread. to everyone else, please ignore the post in this thread. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.