FF VII backgrounds

timmygrover · 3 Weeks Ago

Hey, so I'm running ff vii with pete's opengl2 2.9, and everything that the emulator has to actually render looks great (all the characters, npcs, treasure chests, doors, basically everything that moves). I'm wondering if there's any way to make the pre-rendered backgrounds look any sharper. It's a little sad to have Cloud looking so sharp and the background looking so gritty.

Thanks!
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Lord Zedeck · 3 Weeks Ago

Turning down the resolution and/or using filtering and/or smoothing is all you can do.

Blowing a 320x224 2-D image up to 1280x1024 or more is obviously not going to end well. It'll end up pixelated. Forget everything about larger resolutions making better visuals. That's true for 3-D, but opposite for 2-D. It's a trade-off to find the best balance. These games just aren't HD, so using HD resolutions and expecting everything to be really sharp and crisp isn't going to help. You have to live with it and tweak until you find a balance between 2-D and 3-D you most prefer.

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lagunareturns · 3 Weeks Ago

or play it on a old sd tv via computer or by using a real ps1

Squall-Leonhart · 3 Weeks Ago

try not to use Shader smoothing, that turns everything extra blurry.

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Lord Zedeck · 3 Weeks Ago

I can't play without smoothing. I have screen smoothing on, as well as shader smoothing on maximum. It's an absolute pixelated mess to me without it.

You're going to have to choose between pixelated, blurry, or some mix. Either way, you can't get "sharp and HD", which is what I think the topic creator was inquiring about. Many people are under the assumption that these high resolution displays and powerful PCs of today should be able to make sharp, crisp, HD Playstation games, when, as you and I know, there's alot more to it than that.

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**fivefeet8** · 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Lord Zedeck

I can't play without smoothing. I have screen smoothing on, as well as shader smoothing on maximum. It's an absolute pixelated mess to me without it.

You're going to have to choose between pixelated, blurry, or some mix. Either way, you can't get "sharp and HD", which is what I think the topic creator was inquiring about. Many people are under the assumption that these high resolution displays and powerful PCs of today should be able to make sharp, crisp, HD Playstation games, when, as you and I know, there's alot more to it than that.

Would be interesting if we could do texture replacements for such things.

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timmygrover · 3 Weeks Ago

If only ps games had the mod-ability of Oblivion and Fallout. I guess this is why we have to keep petitioning square for a ps3 remake
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Squall-Leonhart · 3 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Zedeck

I can't play without smoothing. I have screen smoothing on, as well as shader smoothing on maximum. It's an absolute pixelated mess to me without it.

You're going to have to choose between pixelated, blurry, or some mix. Either way, you can't get "sharp and HD", which is what I think the topic creator was inquiring about. Many people are under the assumption that these high resolution displays and powerful PCs of today should be able to make sharp, crisp, HD Playstation games, when, as you and I know, there's alot more to it than that.

I prefer the pixels over the blur.

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Lord Zedeck · 3 Weeks Ago

I wonder if part of it is maybe in the difference that I use a CRT at 640x480, and as far as I know, you're using an LCD at 1920x1200. You're almost forced to run native, which itself almost pretty much forces you to run in a window, probably a "larger" resolution size one (running outside native, or fullscreen at 1920x1200, either will be a mess). To me, with the setup I use, the backdrops look exactly as smooth as it originally did on the console, which is by no means too blurry to me. It's not HD, no, but it's not too blurry because of that either.

Or perhaps I just can't stand the pixelated look that much. It absolutely destroys one of the best parts of the visuals. When I first started emulating (this game), I ran at 1024x768, and I got about halfway through the game before I was fed up with it. I really don't see how people can play at something crazy like 1680x1050 fullscreen and think it actually looks good. Then again, most people emulating probably haven't played it before, and probably don't own the game, so they don't know what to compare it to, or what they're missing, and so on.

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timmygrover · 3 Weeks Ago

I can't believe you made it half way through, I couldn't get through the first reactor before I quit. I play it at 800x600 windowed. That way I can watch dragon ball at the same time

Lord Zedeck · 3 Weeks Ago

I was talking about Final Fantasy IX. It's been so long since I played Final Fantasy VII, and I never played it via emulation. In my playthrough, I was actually changing the settings up alot as I went, as I was still learning and tweaking and experimenting as I went, but it was roughly halfway through before I set upon deciding to do away with the "higher resolution is a good thing and a feature of emulation" garbage, and just settling upon one configuration.

I'm also surprised you're running 800x600. I assumed you were using a larger resolution, as that's where it's mainly noticeable. If you don't mind a little blurriness, you can try my configuration. It aims to make the backdrops as smooth and unpixelated as possible, without compromising 3D (ala, like software rendering would). It's mostly meant for fullscreen (ala, thus CRTs), but since you're running window anyway, it'll work just as well on an LCD.

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Squall-Leonhart · 3 Weeks Ago

i just discovered that epsxe is forcing vsync by default. thats new... never used to in 1.6.....

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timmygrover Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: US/Idaho Posts: 3	FF VII backgrounds Hey, so I'm running ff vii with pete's opengl2 2.9, and everything that the emulator has to actually render looks great (all the characters, npcs, treasure chests, doors, basically everything that moves). I'm wondering if there's any way to make the pre-rendered backgrounds look any sharper. It's a little sad to have Cloud looking so sharp and the background looking so gritty. Thanks! timmygrover

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,812	Turning down the resolution and/or using filtering and/or smoothing is all you can do. Blowing a 320x224 2-D image up to 1280x1024 or more is obviously not going to end well. It'll end up pixelated. Forget everything about larger resolutions making better visuals. That's true for 3-D, but opposite for 2-D. It's a trade-off to find the best balance. These games just aren't HD, so using HD resolutions and expecting everything to be really sharp and crisp isn't going to help. You have to live with it and tweak until you find a balance between 2-D and 3-D you most prefer. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3

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lagunareturns Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 702	or play it on a old sd tv via computer or by using a real ps1

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,953	try not to use Shader smoothing, that turns everything extra blurry. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,812	I can't play without smoothing. I have screen smoothing on, as well as shader smoothing on maximum. It's an absolute pixelated mess to me without it. You're going to have to choose between pixelated, blurry, or some mix. Either way, you can't get "sharp and HD", which is what I think the topic creator was inquiring about. Many people are under the assumption that these high resolution displays and powerful PCs of today should be able to make sharp, crisp, HD Playstation games, when, as you and I know, there's alot more to it than that. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3

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timmygrover Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: US/Idaho Posts: 3	If only ps games had the mod-ability of Oblivion and Fallout. I guess this is why we have to keep petitioning square for a ps3 remake Remake Final Fantasy 7 Petition

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,812	I wonder if part of it is maybe in the difference that I use a CRT at 640x480, and as far as I know, you're using an LCD at 1920x1200. You're almost forced to run native, which itself almost pretty much forces you to run in a window, probably a "larger" resolution size one (running outside native, or fullscreen at 1920x1200, either will be a mess). To me, with the setup I use, the backdrops look exactly as smooth as it originally did on the console, which is by no means too blurry to me. It's not HD, no, but it's not too blurry because of that either. Or perhaps I just can't stand the pixelated look that much. It absolutely destroys one of the best parts of the visuals. When I first started emulating (this game), I ran at 1024x768, and I got about halfway through the game before I was fed up with it. I really don't see how people can play at something crazy like 1680x1050 fullscreen and think it actually looks good. Then again, most people emulating probably haven't played it before, and probably don't own the game, so they don't know what to compare it to, or what they're missing, and so on. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3

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timmygrover Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: US/Idaho Posts: 3	I can't believe you made it half way through, I couldn't get through the first reactor before I quit. I play it at 800x600 windowed. That way I can watch dragon ball at the same time

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,812	I was talking about Final Fantasy IX. It's been so long since I played Final Fantasy VII, and I never played it via emulation. In my playthrough, I was actually changing the settings up alot as I went, as I was still learning and tweaking and experimenting as I went, but it was roughly halfway through before I set upon deciding to do away with the "higher resolution is a good thing and a feature of emulation" garbage, and just settling upon one configuration. I'm also surprised you're running 800x600. I assumed you were using a larger resolution, as that's where it's mainly noticeable. If you don't mind a little blurriness, you can try my configuration. It aims to make the backdrops as smooth and unpixelated as possible, without compromising 3D (ala, like software rendering would). It's mostly meant for fullscreen (ala, thus CRTs), but since you're running window anyway, it'll work just as well on an LCD. My Authentic Enhanced Guide __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,953	i just discovered that epsxe is forcing vsync by default. thats new... never used to in 1.6..... __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.