ATTN: Jonc

[SerathZero]

So I ordered a copy of FF8 from Amazon, should be here Tuesday/Wednesday. Seeing as you know more about this stuff than I (And my previous experience was with pirated .iso files which are now deleted), do you think that OGL will still be an issue? I'd like to try and run this on here if I can enhance the graphics.

[jonc2006]

well right now it would because there is a really nasty issue between certain ATI drivers and OGL, however if you read this thread i believe some ATI users have found a few work-arounds that might fix this for you.

[SerathZero]

Okay, I'll dig around on Pete's site

[jonc2006]

read this post and this post specifically.

[SerathZero]

Alright, I'll give that a shot. I'm gonna hold off till the game comes.

[patrickp]

Why are you posting here about ePSXe/plugin/ATI drivers, SerathZero? This is the pSX Emulator section of the forum - pSX is a pluginless emulator, and runs Final Fantasy VIII without problems - indeed, its compatibility is better than any other Playstation emulator except, possibly Xebra.

[Squall-Leonhart]

pfft, no its not, especially PAL copies, pSX is limited in these regards to certain hardware combinations,

Epsxe's compatibility is determined by the plugins selected in most cases.

[Kellicros]

Originally Posted by patrickp

Why are you posting here about ePSXe/plugin/ATI drivers, SerathZero?

You're right, moving.

[patrickp]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

pfft, no its not, especially PAL copies

PAL copies? I live in Europe, so generally the only games I get that aren't PAL are NTSC-only ones. pSX performs far better than ePSXe in this area - one of the reasons I originally switched to it (having used epSXE happily for 6 years or so) was that pSX would play some games, including PAL ones, correctly that ePSXe wouldn't, with any plugin settings.

pSX is limited in these regards to certain hardware combinations,

What are you talking about? pSX will run in Windows 98 upwards or most Linux distributions (have you tried using ePSXe on Linux? It's possible, but difficult - and it still doesn't perform as well as pSX, which is as easy to run on Linux as it is on Windows) on pretty much any machine that has a working 3D card and a working soundcard. It requires a version of DirectX 9.0c that's more than about a year after the original release in Windows, and to have OpenGL, ALSA, GTK, GTKGLEXT and libxml2 installed in Linux - all but GTKGLEXT will be included in most contemporary distributions, and GTKGLEXT is not hard to get - it's in the repositories for most Debian-based distributions.

ePSXe probably will run on Windows 95, while pSX won't, since DirectX 9.0 can't be installed on that OS.

Epsxe's compatibility is determined by the plugins selected in most cases.

LOL! ePSXe probably had better compatibility than pSX when the latter was first released (well, what would you expect for a first release? Something that worked better than a mature ePSXe? Whoops - actually, it did in most areas...), but even with individual plugin configuration for games, its compatibility no longer compares - it's generally considered that pSX and Zebra (both currently developed plugin-less emulators) are now the most compatible - by any standards - with Xebra possibly being better, although this is not certain.

[Squall-Leonhart]

What are you talking about? pSX will run in Windows 98 upwards or most Linux distributions (have you tried using ePSXe on Linux? It's possible, but difficult - and it still doesn't perform as well as pSX, which is as easy to run on Linux as it is on Windows) on pretty much any machine that has a working 3D card and a working soundcard. It requires a version of DirectX 9.0c that's more than about a year after the original release in Windows, and to have OpenGL, ALSA, GTK, GTKGLEXT and libxml2 installed in Linux - all but GTKGLEXT will be included in most contemporary distributions, and GTKGLEXT is not hard to get - it's in the repositories for most Debian-based distributions.

ePSXe probably will run on Windows 95, while pSX won't, since DirectX 9.0 can't be installed on that OS.

Hardware configurations, meaning not all CDRom or DVD rom drives are supported, pSX uses RAW reading for subchannel and audio info, and not all drives provide proper RAW support, infact the only drives which are guaranteed to have proper RAW support are.

• Hitachi LG GDR-8161b (IDE)
• Hitachi LG GDR-8162b (IDE)
• Hitachi LG GDR-8163b (IDE)
• Hitachi LG GDR-8164b (IDE)
• Hitachi LG GDR-H10NBLK (SATA)

Any CDRom not in this list, is a gamble as to whether it will work or not, While most others support Subchannel reads via the ATAPI SPEC.

I'm yet to find a DVD/CDRom drive that can't read subchannel data using ATAPI_SPEC2, and i have alot of DVD/CDRom's come through this place, While petes plugins might not always work as they require a fair bit of updating, CDRSapu and CDRXeven both work fine on the SPEC2 method, and the internal espxe cdr plugin works on all disks, as long as its undamaged.

The only reason why most don't use the internal plugin is because it doesn't provide read caching, which is likely to be changed in the future.

[patrickp]

There are a great many more drives than that that will read subcode, Squall-Leonhart - and you're ignoring the fact that this only affects copy protected games, which ePSXe will not read directly - you have to record the subcode separately to play the protected CD. With pSX, OTOH, if you have a drive that reads subcode successfully, you don't have to mess about recording a subcode track, and then setting the plugin to use it every time you want to play a protected game, you just stick the CD in and play.

On top of that, with the availability of cheap hard drive space today, almost everyone rips their games to images for convenience - with Ultima's pSX Frontend, I can play any game I have ripped, with pSX set exactly as I want, with a couple of mouse clicks.

Come to that, I can do the same with CDs - if I want to spend the time hunting out the one I want - and if it's a protected CD, I don't even have to waste time setting a plugin to play the subcode track. And the drives I have that will read the subcode directly are none of the ones you mentioned - come to think of it, I don't think I've ever owned an Hitachi drive.

The only reason why most don't use the internal plugin is because it doesn't provide read caching, which is likely to be changed in the future.

You mean, after more than 4 1/2 years, ePSXe is going to be updated again? Strange - now why can't I bring myself to believe that?

[Squall-Leonhart]

There are a great many more drives than that that will read subcode, Squall-Leonhart - and you're ignoring the fact that this only affects copy protected games, which ePSXe will not read directly - you have to record the subcode separately to play the protected CD. With pSX, OTOH, if you have a drive that reads subcode successfully, you don't have to mess about recording a subcode track, and then setting the plugin to use it every time you want to play a protected game, you just stick the CD in and play.

err, the Copyprotection is stored in the subchannel, which epsxe has support for, using various plugins, psx might use an internal cdread method, but that doesn't make epsxe's any less worthwhile. as for reading subcode tracks, both ATAPI SPEC2 and raw modes support the reading of subchannel tracks.

Originally Posted by calb

Hello,

Surely i will rewrite the CDR plugin in 1.8.0.

since calb has openly admitted epsxe development is back on.

[patrickp]

This is getting a bit pointless, Squall-Leonhart - first you cite "pSX is limited in these regards to certain hardware combinations," which turns out to be groundless, then you claim ePSXe is going to be updated after 4 1/2 years and are unable to substantiate this somewhat unreal claim.

And this is all in an ePSXe thread which was rudely posted (not by you) in the pSX section of the forum and had to be moved.

TBH I was only responding to this because you posted your original spurious "pSX is limited in these regards to certain hardware combinations" claim while the thread was still in the pSX section. I don't care any more; whether you're trolling or living in a fantasy world - it's turned into a pretty pointless argument. It's not as if I don't like and respect ePSXe; it served me very well for 6 years or more, and played all the games I played regularly bar one, but there came a point where it was time to move on.

[Squall-Leonhart]

well, it seems Calb has come clean so here you go.

Originally Posted by calb

This is a bug in epsxe 1.6.0 and older versions, it will be fixed in a future version. Actually you can play this game in PCSX.

Regards,
Carlos.

[SerathZero]

Sorry, just noticed this wasn't ePSXe xD

[jonc2006]

its fine. ill try to get it moved. seems like kellicros was either taken out by ninjas in mid-process or he just forgot to do it.

[Kellicros]

Hmmm, I moved this out from pSX forum, and I thought it is about setting up OGL plugins, isn't this the most appropriate place? >.<

EDIT: NVM, I will put it into ePSXe section as requested.

[jonc2006]

the thread he made before this one was delt with epsxe. i guess this could sort of go in both now that i think about it but since this thread is somewhat of a continuation of the other it might just be better off in the epsxe section.