REAL method for increase FPS on 15~30% NOT UPGRADE - Page 2

NexXxus · February 11th, 2007

whats you GFX card?

i try ffx1 now, the improveness in ffx-2 is not very good.

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Samhayne · February 11th, 2007

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Originally Posted by elitegamer

whats you GFX card?

added my specs to the sig which strangely didn't show immediately ... but seems to work now.

NexXxus · February 11th, 2007

so i tested ffx.
can't see differences

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dashboardy · February 11th, 2007

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Originally Posted by elitegamer

so i tested ffx.
can't see differences

still get full FPS no matter where you are, eh?

... nice rig btw

reaperr · February 11th, 2007

hmm seems to have given me a lil boost while playing ffx......thanks for the tip

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jusTiC3 · February 11th, 2007

also faster in vista - but in every way my righ doesn't have the power to reach the same speed like under win xp x64

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NexXxus · February 11th, 2007

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Originally Posted by dashboardy

still get full FPS no matter where you are, eh?

... nice rig btw

yep, except when i summon shiva

btw: i get ca 8fps more with the re4 US version

ca 58fps at the startpoint, Pal:50fps and without 256color hack only 35fps O_O

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reaperr · February 11th, 2007

lol i could use a button to cancel those lil scenes

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NexXxus · February 11th, 2007

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Originally Posted by reaperr

lol i could use a button to cancel those lil scenes

wich game?
is not possible to skip the cutscenes in ffx, except the fmv's when you use the patch

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Andrets · February 12th, 2007

It seems to really help in areas that chug in Kingdom Hearts, the areas that ran at high fps didn't change much. One place that I really noticed a difference is the waterfall which increased from 31/32 fps to 48ish fps. I tried them seperately and only setting it for 256 colors seems to have an effect. The game itself seems to look the same.

I've got a 256mb card as well.

It seems to have no effect on the max fps with AA off.

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Samhayne · February 12th, 2007

strange .... still wondering why I lost fps ...

However ... seems to be a great hint for Zerofrog for a major tweak.
Maybe there's even more in it if he find's the reason for this behaviour.

I'm pretty excited.

**refraction** · February 12th, 2007

well it seems it is what it says on the tin

the warning does state you will lose visual quality, and the image is certainly more jagged and not as smooth, i spose it helps on games which have intensive graphics, but im not going to bother on games like FFX and KH i dont think.

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NexXxus · February 12th, 2007

KH is a little bit faster in some graphic intensive areas.

and i found some GFX bugs:
- the river in re4 is flickering.
- this blue,transparent way above the macalania woods in ffx is missing.

i think its a problem because the missing alpha blender

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Andrets · February 12th, 2007

It actually looks more smoothed out and even less aliased when running in 256 colors mode. Right now, I'd prefer it to be faster with the larger render target (4xAA) (and smoother) than sharper/slower or fast and blocky with no AA(same fps). You can see between the two screenshots that I posted, the 48ish fps screenshot is much smoother where as the 31fps shot is more aliased with a few more fine details. The roof of the shack is very jagged in the shot w/out 256 color mode where as in the shot with it enabled it is smooth. However, IMO the grass and bushes look better in the slower screenshot.

I have noticed that having 256 color mode selected messes up the transitions, filling them with a colorful static, instead of them being their normal simple fade. I tried to capture this with another screenshot. I would imagine that it would probably mess up other effects as well.

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ELiTe185 · February 12th, 2007

Works for me too - in 2D and 3D!

I tried it on:
Mushihime-sama - a crazy Japanese top-down shooter.
22.7 to 31.0

Guitar Hero 2 - you all know

9.8 to 11.5

But the BIGGEST improvement is that I have a little lag from keystroke to action in both of these games, and this appeared to significantly reduce this!

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parman_donk · February 12th, 2007

WooW... Looks like I'm a little bit late for this huge invention.

Anyway, thanks for the infos...

NeXaR · February 12th, 2007

So, it helps more in the slower areas? now that's a good discovery then!

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Andrets · February 12th, 2007

It seems to only help in heavily graphical areas(such as with 4x AA where you get fewer fps with it on than with it not on) where the emulator is GPU limited. It does smooth out the screen and potentially mess up effects as well.

I just tried setting it to 256 colors in Vista x86 and it doesn't seem to provide any increase in speed. Instead it makes PCSX2 unstable and crash quite a bit. I managed to load KH to the same spot as before using XP SP2 compatability mode (and 256 colors enabled) but it looks identical to the 31fps screenshot only 3 fps slower- obviously it isn't doing the same thing that XP does with 256 colors enabled.

drgw · February 12th, 2007

(+) about 50% fps increase
(-) paintwork does not reflect anything in 256 color mode :/

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Barius · February 12th, 2007

As THC noted, all this tweak does is make the GS plugin think that alpha blending isn't supported. I'm sorta surprised the screenshots still seem to have pretty equal graphical quality, but I assume there must be some quality loss.

Eitherway, Zerofrog could just code an option into his plugin that manually disables/enables alpha-blending. It sounds like a good feature for a future version.

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refraction PCSX2 Coder $refraction's Avatar$ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 9,822	well it seems it is what it says on the tin the warning does state you will lose visual quality, and the image is certainly more jagged and not as smooth, i spose it helps on games which have intensive graphics, but im not going to bother on games like FFX and KH i dont think. __________________ http://www.generalemu.net/ Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz (425x8), Leadtek GTX 280 1Gb, 1.8Tb HDs, 2Gb Corsair DDR2-800 @ DDR2-1020 5-5-5-18 Dual Channel Dont PM me for help, use the forums, thats what its for!
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February 11th, 2007	#21 (permalink)
NexXxus it'se miku! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 3,604	whats you GFX card? i try ffx1 now, the improveness in ffx-2 is not very good. __________________ My System: C2D E6700 @3.4ghz \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| 4GB DDR2 800 \| eVGA Geforce GTX 260 55nm SC-Edition Tutorial: Hardware Antialiasing in PCSX2 (DX9 only)

February 11th, 2007	#23 (permalink)
NexXxus it'se miku! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 3,604	so i tested ffx. can't see differences __________________ My System: C2D E6700 @3.4ghz \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| 4GB DDR2 800 \| eVGA Geforce GTX 260 55nm SC-Edition Tutorial: Hardware Antialiasing in PCSX2 (DX9 only)

February 11th, 2007	#25 (permalink)
reaperr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 16	hmm seems to have given me a lil boost while playing ffx......thanks for the tip __________________ E6850 @ 3.0Ghz with Thermaltake Big Typhoon, 2gb OCZ DDR2 6400, 1GB Nvidia 7950 GX2

February 11th, 2007	#26 (permalink)
jusTiC3 emulation. emu... what??? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 463	also faster in vista - but in every way my righ doesn't have the power to reach the same speed like under win xp x64 __________________ ASUS G50V

February 11th, 2007	#28 (permalink)
reaperr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 16	lol i could use a button to cancel those lil scenes __________________ E6850 @ 3.0Ghz with Thermaltake Big Typhoon, 2gb OCZ DDR2 6400, 1GB Nvidia 7950 GX2

February 12th, 2007	#31 (permalink)
Samhayne Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 75	strange .... still wondering why I lost fps ... However ... seems to be a great hint for Zerofrog for a major tweak. Maybe there's even more in it if he find's the reason for this behaviour. I'm pretty excited.

February 12th, 2007	#33 (permalink)
NexXxus it'se miku! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 3,604	KH is a little bit faster in some graphic intensive areas. and i found some GFX bugs: - the river in re4 is flickering. - this blue,transparent way above the macalania woods in ffx is missing. i think its a problem because the missing alpha blender __________________ My System: C2D E6700 @3.4ghz \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| 4GB DDR2 800 \| eVGA Geforce GTX 260 55nm SC-Edition Tutorial: Hardware Antialiasing in PCSX2 (DX9 only)

February 12th, 2007	#36 (permalink)
parman_donk Donkey Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Right Here! Posts: 415	WooW... Looks like I'm a little bit late for this huge invention. Anyway, thanks for the infos...

February 12th, 2007	#37 (permalink)
NeXaR PCSX2 Team Worshipper Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Spain Posts: 126	So, it helps more in the slower areas? now that's a good discovery then! __________________ Intel Core2Quad q6600 G0 @3.0Ghz Asus Striker Extreme 2 x 2Gb Corsair Dominator 2 x XFX8800GTX SLi Aerocool HorsePower 750W 320Gb SataII Western Digital Sata Pioneer DVD-RW drive

February 12th, 2007	#38 (permalink)
Andrets 0x526567756C6172 0x557365 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: US Posts: 321	It seems to only help in heavily graphical areas(such as with 4x AA where you get fewer fps with it on than with it not on) where the emulator is GPU limited. It does smooth out the screen and potentially mess up effects as well. I just tried setting it to 256 colors in Vista x86 and it doesn't seem to provide any increase in speed. Instead it makes PCSX2 unstable and crash quite a bit. I managed to load KH to the same spot as before using XP SP2 compatability mode (and 256 colors enabled) but it looks identical to the 31fps screenshot only 3 fps slower- obviously it isn't doing the same thing that XP does with 256 colors enabled.

February 12th, 2007	#40 (permalink)
Barius Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: At home Posts: 942	As THC noted, all this tweak does is make the GS plugin think that alpha blending isn't supported. I'm sorta surprised the screenshots still seem to have pretty equal graphical quality, but I assume there must be some quality loss. Eitherway, Zerofrog could just code an option into his plugin that manually disables/enables alpha-blending. It sounds like a good feature for a future version. Last edited by Barius; February 12th, 2007 at 07:16..