PC specs, Will my PC get good FPS

[dummy1234]

well, thanks for the advice, many people have given me the same one, but I can't afford changing my chip set every year, and except for the fact that is with AGP cards, the rest of the characteristics are really good, so I don't have much choice (downgrade will be kind'a stupid). So I change my question to: if I have to buy an AGP VGA card, will the X1650 be a good choice?
oh and by the way, you know that if you compare AGP and PCI, APG will show a little bit better performance right? (PCI Vs. AGP : A Real World Comparison) since it's supposed to be "newer technology"...
Thanks again for your help

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[xenosagafreak]

Well, there's better, but it'll suffice.

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[Pyramid_Head]

PCI E and PCI are not the same thing, PCI E is much much better/faster than AGP

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[xenosagafreak]

Not neccessarily. PCI-E is capable of more bandwidth, but there's still plenty of bandwidth left in AGP. The industry, however, chose to move to PCI-E, so everyone moved.

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[ian209]

Originally Posted by WinmanPs2

I want to ask how will PS2 games run on this PC
AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+
Ati radeon 1650 256 mb
1 gb kingston ddr2
250 hdd

I mean how much FPS can i get with these PC
And if someone can tell me how much can i get Fps in games:
Dragon Ball z budokai 3
FFx
Mortal Kombat deadly alliance
and others

If its a stock 3800+, u won't get good frame rates, but still playable. Expect maybe 30fps or less.

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[Thief^]

Originally Posted by Pyramid_Head

PCI E and PCI are not the same thing, PCI E is much much better/faster than AGP

Depends on which size pci-e socket

This is a list of all the expansion sockets based on PCI, AGP and PCI-e:
33MHz/32bit pci socket:
Very difficult to find a motherboard without at least one of these.
66MHz/32bit pci socket:
The socket is reversed compared to 33MHz pci, pci cards with two notches in are compatible with both 33MHz and 66MHz sockets. Very rare.
33MHz/64bit pci-x socket:
Extended version of 33MHz/32bit pci normally found on server motherboards, cards that work in a 33MHz/32bit pci socket will also work in it. Some cards for this socket will work in a standard pci 32-bit socket, as long as the connector doesn't interfere with anything on the motherboard. Quite rare.
66MHz(+)/64bit pci-x socket:
Extended version of the 66MHz/32-bit pci socket, normally found on server motherboards. Cards that work in a 66MHz/32-bit pci socket also work in this socket. As with 32bit pci, cards exist that are notched to fit in both 33MHz and 66MHz(+) 64-bit sockets.

AGP 1x, AGP pro, AGP 2x, AGP 4x:
Old versions of AGP, not compatible with modern AGP cards because of a difference in voltage (3.3V instead of 1.5V).
AGP 1x is the same speed as 66MHz/32-bit pci, or double the speed of "standard" 33MHz/32-bit pci, but with special graphics-specific extensions. AGP 2x and 4x are 4x and 8x the speed of pci, respectively. AGP pro is a longer AGP socket with more power lines.
AGP 8x:
16x times the bandwidth of standard pci, dedicated for graphics card use. Most motherboards with an AGP socket have an AGP 8x socket.

PCI-e x1:
The smallest pci-e socket, roughly the same speed as AGP 1x, twice the speed of standard pci. It is also full duplex (simultaneous send/receive). Standard pci and pci-e are NOT compatible, despite the similar names. pci-e motherboards normally have at least one of these.
PCI-e x2, x4, x8:
Longer pci-e sockets, quite rare. Any pci-e card will work in a larger pci-e socket. x4 are the most common of these, I haven't seen x2 or x8.
PCI-e x16:
Modern graphics card socket, twice the speed of AGP 8x. Modern pci-e motherboards typically have one or two of these. Two can be used to have two graphics cards in a pc linked together for SLI/crossfire.
PCI-e x32:
Part of the standard, but would be huge. I've never seen one.
PCI-e x16 (x1,x4,x8):
A lot of older "SLI" motherboards only had x1, x4 or x8 worth of pins connected in a x16 socket, instead of the full x16. While this is valid under the pci-e spec, it means that the card will operate at reduced performance. Some recent pci-e graphics cards won't work in one of these sockets, mostly "two in one" cards with 2 gpus on one card. Some "SLI" motherboards have a switch to change between having one full pci-e x16 socket and one unconnected (or x1 connected socket) and having two x16 (x8 connected) sockets.

In a nutshell an AGP motherboard will likely have 1 AGP 8x socket and 2-5 PCI sockets, and a pci-e motherboard will likely have 1-2 pci-e x16 sockets, 1-2 pci-e x1 sockets, possibly 1 pci-e x4 socket and 1-2 PCI sockets.

To be honest, if you've got an AGP 8x motherboard it's only a problem if you want to use a really recent card that is pci-e only, but if you're building a pc get a pci-e board, as value pci-e graphics cards do exist and it's more future-proof.

DON'T get a combo AGP/pci-e board, as the AGP socket is likely to be emulated on a pci or pci-e bus (reduced speed and/or compatibility) and the pci-e socket is likely to be only x8 connected (also reduced speed and/or compatibility), not to mention that these combo boards are hideously expensive. They're not worth it!

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[dummy1234]

Originally Posted by Thief^

To be honest, if you've got an AGP 8x motherboard it's only a problem if you want to use a really recent card that is pci-e only, but if you're building a pc get a pci-e board, as value pci-e graphics cards do exist and it's more future-proof.

DON'T get a combo AGP/pci-e board, as the AGP socket is likely to be emulated on a pci or pci-e bus (reduced speed and/or compatibility) and the pci-e socket is likely to be only x8 connected (also reduced speed and/or compatibility), not to mention that these combo boards are hideously expensive. They're not worth it!

well, I'm not biulding a new PC, so I'll stick to AGP since I don't have a lot of money, and I cant aford the lated "supreme" VGA cards...
and thanks a lot for the advice on the combo boards! I was gonna look for one, but it seems that I was gonna get kind'a screwed (sorry for the expression)...thanks again

[hajime]

Hi mates, I am thinking in buying one of two laptops which capabilities I am going to post.
I have the doubt in what is more important, the CPU or the Graphic card.

PC #1:
Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz, 4MB Cache
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 256MB
1GB DDR2 667MHz (512MB x2)

PC #2:
2.00ghz CPU Core 2 duo
256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 7900 GS graphics card, PCI-Express x16
2 GIG DDR Memory

Which one do you think would work better with PCSX2?
Thanks for the help!!!!

[xenosagafreak]

The second one. It'll be much more useful in everyday situations too, due to the higher amount of RAM. The video card also trumps the first one.

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[hajime]

Originally Posted by xenosagafreak

The second one. It'll be much more useful in everyday situations too, due to the higher amount of RAM. The video card also trumps the first one.

Thanks so much!
Then... the CPU power is not so important?
Not as important as the Videocard? I thought it was the reverse...

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[Vlado]

Actualy CPU is more important than GPU.
You can play moast games with an overclocked e4300 or amd 4400+ with an 6600GT video card.

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[xenosagafreak]

THe second one is a more well rounded solution overall. A ~300 mhz superiority does not outweigh double the RAM and a significantly better video card.

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[Thunderhit]

there is already a topic you created hajime, why ask here again?

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[hajime]

Originally Posted by Thunderhit

there is already a topic you created hajime, why ask here again?

Sorry, I am just a dumbass... but I am a bit in a hurry with this about buying a PC, and I thought that posting the computers' specs (like in this message) would be faster for those who want to answer it, since in the other message, with the links, they have to search and find the specs on those URLs, so I thought in this thread I would get more responses.
Sorry for my selfishness... I won't do it again.
Pease, keep the advice coming

[metalgamer2008]

bumping cuz ppl cant seem to use the search function

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[Watermark]

Originally Posted by hajime

Hi mates, I am thinking in buying one of two laptops which capabilities I am going to post.
I have the doubt in what is more important, the CPU or the Graphic card.

PC #1:
Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz, 4MB Cache
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 256MB
1GB DDR2 667MHz (512MB x2)

PC #2:
2.00ghz CPU Core 2 duo
256MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 7900 GS graphics card, PCI-Express x16
2 GIG DDR Memory

Which one do you think would work better with PCSX2?
Thanks for the help!!!!

I'd personally recommend the second one. A 2.00 GHZ Core 2 should be able to emulate the CPU of the PS2 at full spped (I think), and the 7900 will do the graphics much better than the 7600.

Originally Posted by hajime

Thanks so much!
Then... the CPU power is not so important?
Not as important as the Videocard? I thought it was the reverse...

It really depends on what games you like to play, and the amount of graphics they require. The GPU is specialized, so it's about 10 times more powerful than a CPU. But if you aren't using the graphics to the full, then you're just wasting money. A Core 2 Duo in itself is just so powerful that it's frivolous to worry about a minor MHZ difference.

I can get away with crappy graphics because I mostly play older games and newer games that run on a 945G, and whenever I want to play brand new games I can usually don't mind having it look like crap. But looking at Oblivion screenshots on an 8800... *sigh*

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[nusty]

my computer
P4 2.8 GHZ
Ram 1GB
VGA ATI RADEON 9600

can run emu??? and how will it perform?

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bad, very bad.

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[zellgoku]

Hey all!!!
Geez i didnt post like 7 months or something like that.
Oh well i have a question:
I made run Kingdom hearts in my laptop for 60fps with gsdx config:
320 x 264 (i think) pixel shder in bogus.
Will it run well when pcsx2 0.9.4 come out?
My Spec:
Intel centrino duo 1.60 ghz
1 gb ram
Video card= intel chipset card express family 945Gm T.T

THX in Advenced

[NexXxus]

Originally Posted by zellgoku

Hey all!!!
Geez i didnt post like 7 months or something like that.
Oh well i have a question:
I made run Kingdom hearts in my laptop for 60fps with gsdx config:
320 x 264 (i think) pixel shder in bogus.
Will it run well when pcsx2 0.9.4 come out?
My Spec:
Intel centrino duo 1.60 ghz
1 gb ram
Video card= intel chipset card express family 945Gm T.T

THX in Advenced

no it will not.
you have to stick with gsdx9 with this videocard.
Whats about ZeroGS 0.96.0, did you tried that?
and i don't believe you that it ran with 60FPS, maybe in the mainmenu but not ingame :P

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