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[nepsquare]

@ Winman, check the screenshots thread, you can interpolate your approx speed...

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[dummy1234]

why do people prefer Nvidia VGA cards? I think ATI Radeon cards are better (ever since I saw the X800)

[xenosagafreak]

It's not preference, really. When you weigh the 7 series vs the x18/9 series, the 7 series cards are much cheaper, and give much more bang for your buck. if you're talking about the 8 series, that's because they're pretty much the best that money can buy at the moment.

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[InsertNameHere]

I got my 7900GS for under $150 US (under $130, if you count the mail-in rebate). That was the best value ("bang for your buck") I could find, and I wasn't disappointed. I saw a few reviews where people whined about the fan noise, but it's really not as bad as they make it out to be. It's also pretty good, even stock, for overclocking. Supposedly, it overclocks better than the 8 series cards, and as a result can perform as well as them (in some cases a bit better). Obviously, xenosagafreak agrees with me, as he has the same exact card (with the same overclock) as me. Only thing missing is DX10 support, and I don't think we'll see that as a requirement for quite some time. Many people, myself included, refuse to use Vista x64 because of the difficulty when installing unsigned drivers. I know I don't like M$ trying to control what I can/can't install on my PC. Besides, pcsx2 doesn't run as well on Vista x64. That said, I recommend this card for anyone looking for a reasonably priced upgrade that will run pcsx2, and all current games (like my personal favorite, Oblivion) well.

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[ian209]

Originally Posted by dummy1234

why do people prefer Nvidia VGA cards? I think ATI Radeon cards are better (ever since I saw the X800)

agreed. :/
And as for the bang for the buck part, the X1950pro is awesome.

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[WinmanPs2]

You are paying so much money for 7900, double that price and it's the price of my PC
ATI Radeons are the best

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[General Plot]

I hate ATI. Always have, always will. And I've yet to see ATI top the 8800GTX. Their latest stuff wasn't even able to beat Nvidia's 6 month old card.

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[WinmanPs2]

You can hate it much as you like but everybody knows that nvidia cards are slow and they will be always slower than ati. And i hate Nvidia so much that i can't hate it more. Hate Hate HAte hate --------------

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[refraction]

Originally Posted by WinmanPs2

You can hate it much as you like but everybody knows that nvidia cards are slow and they will be always slower than ati. And i hate Nvidia so much that i can't hate it more. Hate Hate HAte hate --------------

didnt you read what plot just said? ATi got pwnd with their dx10 flagship model, it barely competes to nvidias budget DX10 cards.

for the record this is not a biased view, ive had more ATi cards than i have Nvidia, im just not blind to the facts that are right infront of me.

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[skoreanime]

Originally Posted by WinmanPs2

You can hate it much as you like but everybody knows that nvidia cards are slow and they will be always slower than ati. And i hate Nvidia so much that i can't hate it more. Hate Hate HAte hate --------------

Oh damn, not another fanboy... . We seem to have quite a few of those on the forums .

You have no viable reason to hate Nvidia, do you? Why don't you explain to me why you hate Nvidia so much...did they take your lunch money ?

[Thunderhit]

Both companies have extreme problems with their drivers, but from the situation it looks like Ati is still the worst when it comes to drivers. NVidias for the Geforce 8 series at release were bad, but after some months its pretty decent, however the performance on the new X2900XT changes like +-30% with every new driver release >.<
Heard from others that Ati had those problems with every release, well...

But they have one thing in common: their mid-range cards are utterly crap, the 8600 and the upcoming HD2600 will be so extremely slow, its a joke. Thats why I got myself a 8800gts for 640 for 269€ when there was a discount. Could get nothing for that price when I looked at the Ati cards..

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[dummy1234]

sorry people for starting this "violent" descusion...I just wanted to know, since everyone always says in Readmes and stuff sompatibility with Nvidia cards, but never ATI, so I just find it weird you know...and here is Spain, except for the 8800GT, the rest of the Nvidia are nothing compared to ATI, so I don't nkow what the real statistics are...well, just one more thing: do you people think that an ATI Radeon X1650pro (512mb) will be a good choice for an upgrade (from ATI Radeon 9200 128mb)?

[WinmanPs2]

it will be a very very very very very very very very very very veryveryveryveryveryveryvery good choice.

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i use often linux, clearly Nvidia is the best choice for me...their drivers is so damn proper.

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[xenosagafreak]

Originally Posted by WinmanPs2

it will be a very very very very very very very very very very veryveryveryveryveryveryvery good choice.

Are you kidding me? That card is utter crap. Do you know anything about computers? Your statement about how Nvidia is slow shows your lack of knowledge.

It wouldn't be a very good idea to keep upgrading along the AGP path. It's been abandoned by pretty much everyone, except for Sapphire. You're due for an overhaul if you're still stick with a 9200.

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[ian209]

Originally Posted by xenosagafreak

Are you kidding me? That card is utter crap. Do you know anything about computers? Your statement about how Nvidia is slow shows your lack of knowledge.

It wouldn't be a very good idea to keep upgrading along the AGP path. It's been abandoned by pretty much everyone, except for Sapphire. You're due for an overhaul if you're still stick with a 9200.

umm, and X1650pro is a HUGE improvement from a 9200. And if ure talking mainstream, that card isn't utter crap. Quite a few people cannot afford the stuff that some can here. An X1650pro is like a dream card for those who are mainstream. But if u can spare like $50 more, u can get ureself and X1950pro, which is quite a ways better.

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[xenosagafreak]

Yeah, it's an huge improvement, but he shouldn't be wasting money on the AGP route anyways. That card's worth nothing against the mainstream solutions like the 7900gs/x1950pro's. You'll seriously regret burning that amount of money, which could have been better spent on a wholly new system.

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[Watermark]

Buy and ATI card, buy and Nvidia card, there's usually little difference. I prefer Nvidia because it has more options. But it really doesn't matter.

The only thing you really NEED to avoid is Nvidia's FX series - but that's really long gone. ATI's newest card has been compared to the FX, but at least they priced it simialar to a card in it's performance category (the 8800GS) and didn't tell people it was equal to the top-of the line. It pretty much is as fast as an 8800GS, except it doesn't seem to do as well on anti-aliasing. So, currently for midrange I'd go for an 8800GS or an 8600 GT. There's little reason not to buy a DX10 card if you can.

Originally Posted by refraction

didnt you read what plot just said? ATi got pwnd with their dx10 flagship model, it barely competes to nvidias budget DX10 cards.

for the record this is not a biased view, ive had more ATi cards than i have Nvidia, im just not blind to the facts that are right infront of me.

It has equal performance to Nvidia's upper-mid-range card, and it's priced equally to that too. It squashes Nvidia's mid-range cards. No one has budget cards out yet.

ATI just hasn't put anything out to compete with the GTX - and I don't hear of any plans too. There's nothing wrong with that. There's little money be made on the ultra-high end anyway.

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[ian209]

Originally Posted by xenosagafreak

Yeah, it's an huge improvement, but he shouldn't be wasting money on the AGP route anyways. That card's worth nothing against the mainstream solutions like the 7900gs/x1950pro's. You'll seriously regret burning that amount of money, which could have been better spent on a wholly new system.

Actually, not to start anything, but in reality, more than 75% of computer owners don't have a GPU anywhere near a 7900/X1950. So, I dare not say that the 7900/X1950 cards are "mainstream."

Anyways, don't bother with AGP. Save your money now and get a new system.

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[xenosagafreak]

That's what i've been trying to say.

Mainstream doesn't necessarily mean high percentage of ownership. It's the price that makes it fit into the mainstream bracket. At a price bracket of around ~$140, the 7900gs is a killer deal, especially when you weigh them against slower performers that cost ridiculous amounts on an agp system, or the lesser performing 7600gt/x1650's.

But anyways, the bottom line is that:

Don't buy that card. Save some money, and you won't regret it in the long run when you're faced with the hole in your pocket that you had spent on a card that would be rotting away in your old old AGP based system.

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