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caipirinha · November 9th, 2002

lol ya.

ill be very scared when this low poly ultra bump-mapped monster jump in my face.i hope he has some low poly gibs inside him too

Raqia · November 9th, 2002

However, the physics seem to be seriously limited for now. All you see are rigid high tech forms. I heard they implemented rag-doll physics for the zombies and barrels in the game, which is nice, but if you can simulate cloth, snow, or rain accurately, I'd drop my jaw twice as far.

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Adair · November 10th, 2002

Actually I don't think the character models have as many polys as UT2k3 characters, but they do have better bump mapping, and lighting effects.

I don't remember the specifics, but the programmers fixed it so that the lighting effects get calculated on a really high poly character and then that light/shadow pattern gets used on the lowwer poly characters(the ones you see in the pics). That way you get really nice lighting effects on low poly characters that don't need a really fast PC to run.

I'm probably not completely right about all that, but the game does something similar to what I described there.

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**Kane** · November 10th, 2002

The high poly model was used to produce the bump mapping for the lower poly models IIRC.

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caipirinha · November 10th, 2002

yeah yeah, but what i wanna see is, the doom 3 with high-poly characters, they could make it, just for show, everybody knows it won´t run on any home computers, for the next 2 years, but i would like to see it, or they can´t do it.....?

**Kane** · November 10th, 2002

The engine can handle it, it's just not implemented in Doom 3 because no one's machine would run it.

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Syed Fawad · November 10th, 2002

I also heard that Doom3 will also be on XXXBOX. How can that be? on a 733MHz celeron!

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**_E_** · November 10th, 2002

well, the xbox has a geforce III equivilant graphical proccessing unit, so maybe that will help...........

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**Kane** · November 10th, 2002

>I also heard that Doom3 will also be on XXXBOX. How can that be? on a 733MHz celeron

Because the XBox has much less overhead than a PC.

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ready2rumbelX · November 15th, 2002

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There's no information on Quake 4 (Id only makes one game at a time, in 2-3 year intervals) so I doubt you'll hear anything about it soon.

Quake 4 is going to be developed by Raven, with the supervision of 'id', but yes, it's gonna be a while till we see Quake 4 (cause Raven still have to finish Star Trek : Elite Force II )

But damn! The graphics are amazing...but there is some stiff competition.....Unreal 2......

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Raqia · November 15th, 2002

The screen shots someone posted looked very generic, like every other fps out there. Doom 3 had much more atmosphere with its hard shadows, bump-mapping, and dynamic lights. Id-software really has little to worry about.

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**Kane** · November 15th, 2002

The Unreal 2 engine is dated next to the Doom3 one, and as such I think the same trend will ahppen as with Quake 3: More gameson Unreal at the beginning, then all the games move to iD's engine.

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BaD_BURN · November 16th, 2002

Just my 2 cents: these screenshots are in-game ones, right? Must be running on other hardware, as the shots I've seen from the you-know-what-thing hardly resemble the shots here. And the shots (the one from the you-know-what-thing) are allegedly running on P4s over 2 GHz+512MB RAM+GF4Ti/Radeon 9700 and they still look crappy. Not to mention low frame rates.

Syed Fawad · November 16th, 2002

Whats the you-know-what-thing and which of these shots are from the you-know-what-thing?

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carnage179 · November 16th, 2002

Dont go into the you-know-what-thingimajig

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caipirinha · November 16th, 2002

kane i don´t think you can say that, we don´t even know yet of what the doom 3 engine is capable of, and the unreal warfare engine just started it´s life cycle, and well graphics aren´t everything anyone remember duke nukem 3d vs quake? although dn3d had inferior graphics it got over quake.
the next fight will be duke nukem forever vs doom 3. let´s wait the results

November 16th, 2002

Syed Fawad, listen to carnage179 about the you-know-what-thing.
You do not need to know which shots are from it (if any are) and you don't need to what it is about. Trust me, you don't. Just drop it and let it be. Thanks.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

**Kane** · November 16th, 2002

>kane i don´t think you can say that, we don´t even know yet of what the doom 3 engine is capable of, and the unreal warfare engine just started it´s life cycle, and well graphics aren´t everything anyone remember duke nukem 3d vs quake? although dn3d had inferior graphics it got over quake.
the next fight will be duke nukem forever vs doom 3. let´s wait the results

The Doom 3 engine is basicaly a DX 8 engine. The UW engine is a DX7 engine. Need I say more?
Duke's engine supported a couple of games, and IMO lost out to Quake in the long run.

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Syed Fawad · November 17th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by sxamiga
Syed Fawad, listen to carnage179 about the you-know-what-thing.
You do not need to know which shots are from it (if any are) and you don't need to what it is about. Trust me, you don't. Just drop it and let it be. Thanks.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

I kinda now know what that means. And also I find it quite useless for me. I'll leave it. Sorry for your troubles.

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**Kane** · November 17th, 2002

The Unreal engine is old. It's like rying to upgrade a morris minor when a new Ferari just arrived.

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November 9th, 2002	#162 (permalink)
Raqia Ah! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Evanston Il Posts: 546	Those shots are jaw dropping! However, the physics seem to be seriously limited for now. All you see are rigid high tech forms. I heard they implemented rag-doll physics for the zombies and barrels in the game, which is nice, but if you can simulate cloth, snow, or rain accurately, I'd drop my jaw twice as far. __________________ Laptop: 1.6@2.13 Dothan 2MB (Pinmod), 2 GB 533mhz DDR2, GeForce 6800 360/730 256MB, 100 GB 5400 RPM, 17" UXGA+

November 15th, 2002	#171 (permalink)
Raqia Ah! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Evanston Il Posts: 546	Unreal 2? The screen shots someone posted looked very generic, like every other fps out there. Doom 3 had much more atmosphere with its hard shadows, bump-mapping, and dynamic lights. Id-software really has little to worry about. __________________ Laptop: 1.6@2.13 Dothan 2MB (Pinmod), 2 GB 533mhz DDR2, GeForce 6800 360/730 256MB, 100 GB 5400 RPM, 17" UXGA+

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November 9th, 2002	#161 (permalink)
caipirinha Change your heart Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,989	lol ya. ill be very scared when this low poly ultra bump-mapped monster jump in my face.i hope he has some low poly gibs inside him too

November 10th, 2002	#163 (permalink)
Adair Ghost Hacker Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,830	Actually I don't think the character models have as many polys as UT2k3 characters, but they do have better bump mapping, and lighting effects. I don't remember the specifics, but the programmers fixed it so that the lighting effects get calculated on a really high poly character and then that light/shadow pattern gets used on the lowwer poly characters(the ones you see in the pics). That way you get really nice lighting effects on low poly characters that don't need a really fast PC to run. I'm probably not completely right about all that, but the game does something similar to what I described there. __________________ WindowsXP pro \| ASUS A7N8X Nforce2 motherboard \| Athlon XP 1700+(1.46 Ghz) IBM 40GB 7200rpm \| 512Mb DDR PC3000 \| Leadtek geforce4 Ti4400 \| SB live X-gamer 16x DVDrom & 4x4x24x CDrewriter \| Enermax EG465 (430watt power supply)

November 10th, 2002	#164 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	The high poly model was used to produce the bump mapping for the lower poly models IIRC. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 10th, 2002	#165 (permalink)
caipirinha Change your heart Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,989	yeah yeah, but what i wanna see is, the doom 3 with high-poly characters, they could make it, just for show, everybody knows it won´t run on any home computers, for the next 2 years, but i would like to see it, or they can´t do it.....?

November 10th, 2002	#166 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	The engine can handle it, it's just not implemented in Doom 3 because no one's machine would run it. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 10th, 2002	#167 (permalink)
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	I also heard that Doom3 will also be on XXXBOX. How can that be? on a 733MHz celeron! __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

November 10th, 2002	#168 (permalink)
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 8,958	well, the xbox has a geforce III equivilant graphical proccessing unit, so maybe that will help........... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

November 10th, 2002	#169 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	>I also heard that Doom3 will also be on XXXBOX. How can that be? on a 733MHz celeron Because the XBox has much less overhead than a PC. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 15th, 2002	#172 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	The Unreal 2 engine is dated next to the Doom3 one, and as such I think the same trend will ahppen as with Quake 3: More gameson Unreal at the beginning, then all the games move to iD's engine. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 16th, 2002	#173 (permalink)
BaD_BURN In limbo Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Cave dweller Posts: 914	Just my 2 cents: these screenshots are in-game ones, right? Must be running on other hardware, as the shots I've seen from the you-know-what-thing hardly resemble the shots here. And the shots (the one from the you-know-what-thing) are allegedly running on P4s over 2 GHz+512MB RAM+GF4Ti/Radeon 9700 and they still look crappy. Not to mention low frame rates.

November 16th, 2002	#174 (permalink)
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,260	Whats the you-know-what-thing and which of these shots are from the you-know-what-thing? __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

November 16th, 2002	#175 (permalink)
carnage179 #$@^! Join Date: May 2001 Location: sitting in the most comfortible chair ever! Posts: 2,197	Dont go into the you-know-what-thingimajig __________________ One old cactus.

November 16th, 2002	#176 (permalink)
caipirinha Change your heart Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,989	kane i don´t think you can say that, we don´t even know yet of what the doom 3 engine is capable of, and the unreal warfare engine just started it´s life cycle, and well graphics aren´t everything anyone remember duke nukem 3d vs quake? although dn3d had inferior graphics it got over quake. the next fight will be duke nukem forever vs doom 3. let´s wait the results

November 16th, 2002	#177 (permalink)
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	Syed Fawad, listen to carnage179 about the you-know-what-thing. You do not need to know which shots are from it (if any are) and you don't need to what it is about. Trust me, you don't. Just drop it and let it be. Thanks. sincerely, sx/amiga

November 16th, 2002	#178 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	>kane i don´t think you can say that, we don´t even know yet of what the doom 3 engine is capable of, and the unreal warfare engine just started it´s life cycle, and well graphics aren´t everything anyone remember duke nukem 3d vs quake? although dn3d had inferior graphics it got over quake. the next fight will be duke nukem forever vs doom 3. let´s wait the results The Doom 3 engine is basicaly a DX 8 engine. The UW engine is a DX7 engine. Need I say more? Duke's engine supported a couple of games, and IMO lost out to Quake in the long run. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

November 17th, 2002	#180 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,305	The Unreal engine is old. It's like rying to upgrade a morris minor when a new Ferari just arrived. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb