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The Power of Intelligence
The Singularity Institute Blog : Blog Archive : The Power of Intelligence
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Good article. I agree with alot of what is said, and even the stuff I don't agree with I'll keep an open mind to in the future. I totally agree that an A.I. can be created within computers and then move onto the net. For isn't that what are squishy things are, Mechanics and energy.
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True true, if people want to be hippies and believe in stuff like the healing power of crystals, let them. The brain really is a amazing though, I once read a quote from somewhere(Cant remember where) : "If our brains were simple enough to understand, we'd be so simple, we couldnt". Says it all really. And as for AI, I too think it is within our grasp to create a fully independent AI, but I dont see it happening any time soon.
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I see it happening very soon. Within the next 10-15 years. I think the current problem is that its based mostly on statistics and programming in every possible path of events that can occur instead of focusing on programming the machine to be able to re-program itself and therefore evolve.
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But the thought of AI seems to me, like a very difficult thing to reach, I mean, even now, there are some quite inpressive AI's, like ALICE,which I pressume works on the principle of(like you said) being programmed for every possible path of events, but can todays pc's/programming languages handle something that could alter its self and "evolve"?EDIT: I like that quote as well, I might translate it to latin and make it my new sig
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I don't think that we would need much more extra computing power to create some form of an AI. To create one at the human level may require more hardware but to just create a self-evolving program or set of programs I don't think we need much more. People tend to have this idea that if it hasn't been done on today's hardware by big companies and smart individuals that it can't be done at all. I think thats a grosse misconception.
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Your right, I think its more along the lines of no big companies/induviduals are willing to devote all thier time/money into something with very few benifits of having. But saying that, true AI could revolutionise how we live, having robots peforming tasks that are usually dangerous/boring for a human. But then it goes down the line of what if they rebelled, what if this AI we create and utillise turns on us?
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I think alot of big companies fail to see the long-term benefits of an A.I.. Or maybe they think it may later become a security risk if it decides thats its had enough. Eithier way though its not around yet. Though some companies and research labs are getting closer and closer. Let's just say that there is a way better chance of having A.I. in 10 years than there is of curing cancer or AIDS. Do you remember technology 10, 20 years ago. I do and boy has it exploded since then.
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Technoilgy has come along way in the 20 odd years. And I think your right, AI might be more achievable, but everyone is going to concentrate more on curing AIDS and cancer, because they are more important. But who's to say that an AI wouldnt be useful as well, have a huge number of AI's running at one time like a huge supercomputer, working towards curing AIDS/cancer, AI's never need to eat/sleep or stop do they? Meaning advances could be made without people having to spend as long on the subject as they would have to. But I suppose any real form of intelligence wouldn't start off with a mind like Stephen Hawking, they would have to be taught, which I would imagine take time, unless considering that it is computer controlled intelligence, it could be created with a vast knowledge of things, i think Im going abit deep inot the subject, but I think that these are things that should be taken into account when disscussing AI.
EDIT:It seems that there are more comlpex ways of creating inteligence, take a look at this, its beyond my understanding, but soemthing that complex has to be good Also take notice of the links at the bottom of the page,there are some quite interesting things.
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As for the feasibility of creating an AI, my position falls somewhere near Coolsvilleman's, although I'm really lacking the time to explain it thoroughly.
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I bet there is a cure for AIDS already. Boltzmann is just holding out on us
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your comment is quite a lot out of place though. To be thrutful, it's the worst straw man argument I've seen ever, in more than one sense :/
Returning to the main point, as an AI researcher myself I cannot help but hearfully agreeing with what the ideas the author is exposing. People may still disagree on the reason, but I can say with confidence that we all agree on the power of creation that we possess. The power to imagine, to grasp nature and improve it, to hold ourselves and embrace ourselves into a future of better men, better people. People have grown so used to the idea of human beings that we have forgotten that we are nothing but another link into a continuous evolution chain. Why not just grabbing the chain and deciding where the next link should head, instead of leaving it to some random process or your unkown miracle of the day?
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you know, not everyone is drawn towards science, computer programming, and engineering. that said, having religion around shouldn't change anything. these people, if it weren't for religion, might have ended up as just another burger flipper or having some other mediocre job.
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But that's not the point of the thread anyway. The point is that we have no need for religion. We must take our future in our hands and do something about it, rather than just wait for the rapture.
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and i'm asking what's stopping us from moving forword to the future while those who are predisposed to waiting for the rapture wait endlessly for the end that isn't coming? It' what we're doing now anyway. The dark ages, btw, aren't the dark ages because of religion. There was an economic down fall in the west what the roman empire collapsed. The west had little infrastructure other than some roads. The west's dark ages was the East's greatest time and they still had religion.
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Tell this to those who died by the hands of the church
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"The Improved Man will be a king over you. And give women their dowries as appointed." - Anders Sandberg The Hell Law says that Hell is reserved exclusively for them that believe in it. Further, the lowest Rung in Hell is reserved for them that believe in it on the supposition that they'll go there if they don't. - HBT; The Gospel According to Fred, 3:1 - The Principia Discordia BTW, Don't Forget to Desecrate your Quran. Last edited by Boltzmann; July 14th, 2007 at 00:19. |
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there's already stem cell lines available for study. bush is simply objected to opening any more for the time being since new lines aren't any more or less likely to provide results.
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The darkages wasn't the darkages by how people died due to the church. the dark ages was a time of almost no sort of learning, economic depression, and civil unrest. The Catholic Church was the height of learning. The Church studied all sorts of science from astronomy to biology. The church is, particularly a priest (Gregor Mendel), responsible for discovering genetic inheritance which made the base for evolution. They also made many universities across europe to encourage learning and study. Meanwhile in the East where there was a far better social/economic situation learning flourished under Islam. They people in India invented today's numbering system by Hindu monks. The Muslims in the middle east invented algebra out of those numbers and Christains in the west further advanced math by carving out Calculus On top of all that they copied and wrote books. The church is also responsible for the archetecture found throughout europe that americans pay thousands of dollars to see in person. And the church provided a back bone throughout all of europe that stopped it from further degenerating. In short your views on religion are shallow, biased, and short sighted considering the history of religion and learning.
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