Virginia Tech Shootings

[Player-X]

While dealing with the psycho would work, adding another layer by not letting him have the gun in the first place helps.

[guest.r]

I guess he would be better of in Canada.
The shrinks there shoud gave some Grizly Adams videos and then sent him to do some lumberjacking.

[aolforbroadband]

Originally Posted by moonlitedx

american terror at work heh.

What the ****s that suppose to mean?

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[Kirby]

Originally Posted by Player-X

While dealing with the psycho would work, adding another layer by not letting him have the gun in the first place helps.

Virginia takes pride in having relaxed gun laws....pretty much anyone without a criminal background can carry a concealed gun. It's odvious these freedoms are going to be tested now, once the dust settles. Now it all depends on what bull**** excuse the NRA gives us.

As for Jack Thompson, he should just shut the **** up while he still has a tongue. I've been following this quite closely from day 1, and not once did I hear anything about videogames. I did hear something about this kid being obsessed with a Korean revenge movie.

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[Toshiro]

Originally Posted by Kirby

As for Jack Thompson, he should just shut the **** up while he still has a tongue. I've been following this quite closely from day 1, and not once did I hear anything about videogames. I did hear something about this kid being obsessed with a Korean revenge movie.

I wish it was that easy, but he seems to want to blame MS for making CS which supposedly caused this incident. I think his logic is far more lost than the physcopath.

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[Player-X]

If you skip reality and skip a few steps in thinking you might barely come to his conclusion.

Here's what Tom's Hardware Guide said about it.

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[jonc2006]

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check out the chris matthews article at the top. the show transcription is funny as ****.

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MATTHEWS: Well, we have — that‘s not what we just heard… We just talked to his—one of his suite mates, who said…
THOMPSON: He doesn‘t know.

Best quote ever.

edit: Jack mentioned the game Super Columbine Massacre which is a FF style RPG, unless the students were standing still in a single file line facing towards him on one side of the room with him on the other I call his bull****.

edit2: He also talks about other people's experience as if he knows more than they do, worse yet he claims that the FBI and even secret service are involved while in reality this is not a FBI case and the secret service doesn't do much beyond guarding important political figures and busting counterfeiters.

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[ian209]

Originally Posted by guest.r

I guess he would be better of in Canada.
The shrinks there shoud gave some Grizly Adams videos and then sent him to do some lumberjacking.

... whats that suppose to mean....

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Originally Posted by Player-X

Best quote ever.

edit: Jack mentioned the game Super Columbine Massacre which is a FF style RPG, unless the students were standing still in a single file line facing towards him on one side of the room with him on the other I call his bull****.

edit2: He also talks about other people's experience as if he knows more than they do, worse yet he claims that the FBI and even secret service are involved while in reality this is not a FBI case and the secret service doesn't do much beyond guarding important political figures and busting counterfeiters.

thompson doesnt know what the **** he is talking about. he has no place in this incident to spew his crap propagada. he keeps saying that the fbi and secret service listed violent games as a factor in columnbine while their offical statement that i have seen myself doesnt even mention games once. chris matthews wasnt buying his bull**** and i tip my hat to that because for once someone outside the game community realizes that this whole "videogames made him do it" theory is crap and nothing more. studies havnt shown a link at all.

and i just love when he says "80% of the people at VT play counter strike."that statement right there shoots down his own theory. if 80% of the people at VT play counterstrike, then why arnt we seeing 80% of the people at VT gunning down 30 something people in cold blood. he also calls counterstrike in an phone interview with some guy on fox a "body count game". this guy has no idea what counterstrike is. its a tactical squadbase multiplayer game where you either are part of a terrorist group or a special ops group trying to eliminate them and stuff you ****ing idiot. there is no "kill count".

i cant beleive this man labels himself as an expert, hes the exact opposite. he doesnt know a penis from a vagina. i know it, the game community knows it, and chris matthews know it. enough of this bull****. the guy is on the verge of being disbarred for professional misconduct and i hope to god they send him packing because he is abusing his position as legal attorny to try and destroy freedom of speech and enforce his little goody two shoes morals on everyone from children to adults.

MATTHEWS: ... when he looked on the screen, he said he just saw him writing linear English, just writing...

THOMPSON: Yes.

MATTHEWS: ... apparently essays or...

THOMPSON: When...

MATTHEWS: ... plays or something.

THOMPSON: When he looked on the screen.

But the fact is—and here‘s is what significant. Cho was able to go room to room very calmly, efficiently, coolly killing people.

In Red Lake, Minnesota, Jeffrey Weise killed 10 people. And they found that he trained on a video game to do it.

Chris, you can‘t do something this well the first time you do it. And the fact is, it wasn‘t the first time. He was in a hyper-reality situation, in virtual reality. Almost every school shooter the FBI and Secret Service has found is immersed in violent entertainment.

MATTHEWS: OK. Explain...

THOMPSON: And the...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: ... to the civilian out here...

THOMPSON: Sure.

MATTHEWS: ... the person who doesn‘t know about “Counter-Strike.”

How does the game prepare or drill him in the execution of 32 people?

THOMPSON: It drills you and gives you scenarios on how to kill them.

It gets you to kill with your heart rate lower.

In fact, the FBI agent in Red Lake said that we could tell by the surveillance videos that Weise‘s heart rate was not above 60. That‘s impossible to do unless you have done it before.

And, so, the video games—it‘s the reason, Chris, why the military uses these same type games to train soldiers how to kill, and also to have the willingness to kill. And the...

MATTHEWS: What‘s your most recent—I need to get a...

THOMPSON: Yes.

MATTHEWS: I know it is a theory. And it is a theory in this case.

When was the most recent testimony, and when is it applied to, that he was involved with “Counter-Strike,” the video game, that Cho was?

(CROSSTALK)

THOMPSON: Cho? His high school friends. And, typically, when...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: OK. Well, he is a fourth-year student at Virginia Tech.

THOMPSON: Chris—Chris, I have been on college campuses. In fact, I was in—at Virginia Tech debating this issue a number of years ago.

And the fact is almost, I would say 80 percent of the male students in colleges are spending their spare time playing these games. And for this suite mate to say that, A, he didn‘t have much to do with his suite mate, and, yet, he knows what he was doing, the fact that...

MATTHEWS: Do you know what he was doing?

THOMPSON: We know...

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Do you know whether Cho, the shooter...

THOMPSON: No. We don‘t know, but I will tell you...

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[shafeen]

did anyone see the video released by NBC yesterday i got spine chills by seeing those cold eyes of cho

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[Tojira]

It's not surprising to me the number of people that immediately make assumptions about the killer when they know little to nothing about him. The more I read about it all the more I sympathize with him. I'm not defending what he did in any way. What he did was of course sick and I really feel for everyone involved. But there's so much people don't understand about the killer himself (I don't claim to know for sure either, but I think I have a pretty good idea). I don't believe he was "evil" or a terrible person. By the time he decided to do what he did he would have been beyond reason. I can't explain how he would have been feeling. You'd have to know for yourself. But teasing and bullying can lead you to lose your sense of reality. He'd developed a hatred for the world and he needed help to bring him back to reality.

I read in the paper today (among other such things) that once when Cho was asked to read aloud to the class he initially said nothing. The teacher threatened to give him a failing grade for participation. So eventually Cho starts to speak in an odd deep voice. His classmates start to laugh and point and say "Go back to China"! That totally disgusts me. It's sick. People can be horrible. That's life you say? You need to understand that some people take such things harder than others. He must have been in an absolutely terrible mental and emotional state for a big part of his life if this sort of treatment continued. You'd be surprised at how large an effect such small things (in this case though I don't believe it was small), can have on a persons mental state. People don't just decide one day "oh I think I'll go and shoot all my classmates and commit suicide!". Whoever it was that said he did it all simply because of his girlfriend - you're an idiot. I seriously, seriously doubt that. I find that utterly ridiculous.

It's hard to put this into words so I guess I'll just stop. I just think some people are being very narrow minded and biased. It's easy to point at the killer in hatred, but I believe it's only fair as none of us knew him in person, to hate what he did, rather than to hate who he was.

Are gun laws to blame? is the mental health system to blame? You can't just lay all the blame on one thing. However I believe each of these things played a part. I think the whole guns for security thing in America is a big joke. Totally stupid... What does that say for America? If your average everyday American needs a gun to defend his family? And I've always thought that way. And of course people will bring it up now, why shouldn't they?

There are, as someone said, many things that should be learnt from this. But they never are. In time this will be all but forgotten by most of the population. I like what an Italian Newspaper apparently said - "School shootings are as American as apple pie", sadly it is so true...

And yes the images of Cho did chill me. The look of hatred in his eyes. It just sickens me to think how he got to such a terrible state. My heart goes out to him, those he killed, and their families.

But god Jack Thompson is an idiot... How can people be so thick?? All he's doing is destroying what little credibility he had left. If he had any to lose... Seriously... training on Doom for a school shooting? Get a life Jack, I'm sure there's at least a million better ways to "rehearse" for such a thing.

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[Player-X]

What's worse is that people like Jack is distracting from the real cause of the problem and delaying any resolution and wasting resources doing so.

[Tojira]

I like one of the comments on the Kotaku article on this whole Jack Thompson/Virginia Tech thing. Something like "training for a mass murdering by playing Doom? He must have been practicing his rocket jumps...".

[Master Chief]

This Jack Thompson guy is an idiot. He thinks he knows the answer all the time. I love the way he writes letters to people. He makes it sound like everyone agrees with him and that the person he's writing the letter to has no choice but to listen to him. Why should we limit what types of video games go out to the public? It's just giving them more control over what we do. Smells like totalitarian ideology to me.

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[strider_hiryu]

The main issue in this horrible case is how easy is for americans and alien residents to have guns, it's not good at all...

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[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by strider_hiryu

The main issue in this horrible case is how easy is for americans and alien residents to have guns, it's not good at all...

Nobody could ever predict such a massacre. However, this kid was showing signs beforehand, but they did nothing about it. I don't believe in totally eliminating guns (how many freedoms can they take away for crying out loud?), I'm just asking for a bit of common sense. Clearly if the kid was writing stories like he was he has a problem. They should have sent him to get help or something. His parents must have been pretty stupid as well for not knowing what the heck was going on.

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[Player-X]

The problem is that the kid keeps to himself and rejcets any attempt to make contact which would mean that no one could have seen what would have happened.

From what I have seen on one wants to have their precious guns taken away from them so I propose that they require a psychologist to have a look at the guy before being allowed to purchase a gun.

[chipsugar]

Tojira, I can understand your point of view with regards the effect that the small things people did had on his mind but you forget that that is what he pushed them to. There is only so much rejection a group can take from an individual before they lose interest. After that the group has a right to feel hurt and then they won't have any patience with him. He said "there were a thousand ways you could have avoided this" when in reality there were a thousand ways in which he refused to deal with those around him. The reading incident is no different. He wanted to reject the class and not the other way round. When he was finally forced to take part his discomfort was his own fault as he was doing the one thing he didn't want to which was working with others. They weren't going to empathise though because he was rejecting them.

It's not that I'm saying he wasn't teased or bullied but in the bits of footage I've seen he blames coniac & hedonism and suchlike. These are hardly things that he would know much about and I doubt he'd blame such things if he had any "reasonable" gripe. At no time does he say "I wanted to get along with you but you wouldn't let me". Most of those thousand problems would have gone away if he had just opened his mouth and said hello.

[spartan117]

@The Jack Thompsan claim. WTF? That claim is more ignorant than me! Blaming this on video games is just out-ragously offensive to me. Someone please slap some sense into him, I mean come on, the army training themselves to kill with Doom? Dude if that was the case, our military would not be one of the strongest in the world.

@Everything else, I cant really let my hate for this refect of society judge the way he is, but if he has problems and couldnt take it anymore, he could either A, get help or B take it the easy way without involving innocent people. These people, as others stated before, would've had bright futures. I cant even explain how much im enraged im just Its undescribable.

Now, after reading this, if i said something stupid, dont go rough on me, im just pissed at this situation after seeing all of this.

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