Virginia Tech Shootings

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Their second does say ", the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." and it they read it as "people can own guns" although I would disagree as they missed the "militia" part and I don't think people shooting at squirrels with machine guns counts as "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State".

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Originally Posted by cloudsBro

The killer left a note saying, "You caused me to do all this" which i presume is towards his girlfriend.
America really does need to revise its laws on gun handling.

not only in North America.. in the Entire American continent the use of guns are allowed in someway...

in my country is also very easy to get one... most of the young people(around 12) have allready used a gun.

the first time i used one i was 10!
it´s also normal to see somebody walking on the street with a gun.... is just as normal as holding a toy here in Europe.

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Originally Posted by @ruantec-Man

not only in North America.. in the Entire American continent the use of guns are allowed in someway...

in my country is also very easy to get one... most of the young people(around 12) have allready used a gun.

the first time i used one i was 10!
it´s also normal to see somebody walking on the street with a gun.... is just as normal as holding a toy here in Europe.

wow, scary.

Gun crime is also on the increase in major cities of the UK.

I think we (uk) have the most gun crime in Europe, and thats with the strict gun laws.

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I don´t know why everybody calls United states OF AMERICA "America" America is just our continent and not a country.

is like saying... north europeans are "Europe" and the rest is what???? got the point now?

there are North-, Middle- & South Europeans
and the same in America
North-, Middle- & South Americans

btw Middle and South Americans are usually called "Latin Americans"
i hear that everyday here in Europe... everybody think America is "United States"... really funny

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Well... at least here in Mexico it is moderately difficult to obtain a weapon. And the goverment is taking proactive steps for making civilians hand over their weapons. Like those "a weapon for rice/beans/some food/money" programs

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Originally Posted by Perfect

Usually people are associated with the name of their country, which is why people are called Americans instead of United States of America(ns). Europeans is a little better argument, although you still never hear of United Kingdom(ers).

i don´t mean Americans.... i mean "America" America is just a continent and not a country.. i think north americans or USA is a better argument. and as far as i know North Americans are proud of the "USA" argument.

ok let´s take similar example with consoles... many people around the world(mostly parents) think every console is a "Nintendo" other think every console is a"PLAYSTATION".. so what´s the point??? there are many consoles out there and every console has a name... and why is all that so important?

I can´t say "I wish a Nintendo this sommer" when probably i want a playstation... so it´s important(my opinion) to use the names in order to get what you want..
even if your parents know what you mean is a bit pointless to use this kind of arguments.

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It's really hard for a common citzen to get a gun here in Brazil.

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well is just funny to hear the same everyday.... anyway back on topic..

is really sad what happened in Virginia... my condolences to all those people there.

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Originally Posted by @ruantec-Man

not only in North America.. in the Entire American continent the use of guns are allowed in someway...

in my country is also very easy to get one... most of the young people(around 12) have allready used a gun.

the first time i used one i was 10!
it´s also normal to see somebody walking on the street with a gun.... is just as normal as holding a toy here in Europe.

Ironically, in the meantime it's illegal to have toy guns look like real ones

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Originally Posted by @ruantec-Man

anyway back on topic..

is really sad what happened in Virginia... my condolences to all those people there.

Same here, just hope i doesn't happen again
or if it does (pretty much inevitable), lets hope its not to such a scale.

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Originally Posted by cloudsBro

America really does need to revise its laws on gun handling.

I agree. I should be allowed to carry whatever weapon I deem necessary to defend myself. At the moment, I don't deem any weapon necessary, but that may change.

Honestly, if a gun ban does come about, one of my first acts will be to buy an M4 and a magnum - the M4 for home defense, the magnum for when I'm walking about. The ban would make it more difficult to find these items, but a little effort is all it would take.

If a single one of these students was packing, the kill count would not be anywhere near what it is. It may also have made this idiot think twice (fish in a barrel vs a possible fight). By the time campus police arrived, the damage was already done. You can't rely solely on authorities.

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i used an m4 recently but that was during a camp setup for weapon awareness

on topic:: the boys teachers says they have warned the authorities of his>>Cho's<< violent behavior in 05.His English teachers said he used to write violent/disturbing poems and did not have any friends and nor did he try to make one.

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I agree. I should be allowed to carry whatever weapon I deem necessary to defend myself. At the moment, I don't deem any weapon necessary, but that may change.

I think there should be a limit to the amount a free will a society can permit to itself. I am all about freedom of choice and whatnot on most cases... but this is not one of them. The dangers a society faces when it permits every average Joe to carry whatever weapon they wish far outweighs the benefits one can attain from being able to defend oneself with a magnum or a bazooka.
Of course I agree that it is not as simple as just passing a weapon possession ban, and programs must be made about making people aware that there are better ways of defending oneselve that letting everyone take justice by their own hand.

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I'm just stating plain fact - ban weapons, and I will arm myself. Don't ban weapons, and I'm content to be weaponless. It's a paradox, but I know I'm not the only one.

If you make weapons illegal, then why would I bother with a simple tiny pistol? They're all illegal, I'm going to go for the biggest thing I can fit in my hand and still conceal. In my home, just something that's point-and-spray, as I suspect that as they make weapons illegal, it would be difficult to get adequate training - so I'd just go for something that takes little to no training.

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Originally Posted by Omegainf

What kind of country allows people to buy rifles from departament stores?!?!?

USA allows that.i thought a license was needed to buy guns

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After watching CNN and reading the news, it seems guns in America is given out like candy.

Cho Seung-hui walked into a Virginia gun shop five weeks ago, put down a credit card and walked out with a Glock 19 handgun and a box of ammunition. He paid $US571 ($687).

"It was a very unremarkable sale," said Mr Markell, who did not handle the transaction personally.

Cho showed a Virginia driver's licence, a cheque-book with a matching address and an identity card, said. The gun dealer said he could not be certain how long the background check took, but that his store got the approval to sell the weapon.

Mr Markell said it was not unusual for college students to make purchases at his shop as long as they were old enough.

One thing that irks me is how normal gun transactions are. It's like going out to a store and buying a PS3 and a couple of games.

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Originally Posted by Perfect

Rage Against the Machine Syndrome I suppose. Or Rules are Made to be Broken Syndrome.

No, I just refuse to be shot at and defenseless because I did follow the rules and the criminals did not. It's not about going against the rules, it's about security.

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Originally Posted by Omegainf

It's really hard for a common citzen to get a gun here in Brazil.

Yeah... maybe, but the black market for the "uncommon" citizen is a problem. Heck! look at the slums! some people there are better "equipped" than our army!

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