racism in society

[jonc2006]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...ir-329413.html

i was watching the tv the other night and i found a discussion show on racism in society, it was brought up due to the whole micheal richards thing and they mentioned this forum for white supremists. i never could have thought that someone could be this ignorant but jesus is it scary to see it. i posted a message there under the "opposing views" section. the thread in particular was made by one of the many racist douchebags on that site asking what the black race has accomplished on their own.

i was then mindnumbingly molested by unheard of amounts of bull**** after reading about 2 pages of the thead so i had to get my agrument out. if posting this type of site is against the rules, then remove it, but consider the context im posting this for, its for opinions and and reactions to it only. if you want to take it down or lock it i have no objections.

these people DEFINE the wordhypocrite. im not exxagerating either, every single thing they say contradicts itself. they claim this country was founded for a white christian nation but skip over the fact that this country doesnt support and particular religion as it would contradict the entire reason america was founded in the first place- escape from relgious persicution. anyway i registered my same sc on there to post and my post should be at the end of the thread if it gets the ok to post from the "surperiors"

This one just blew my mind. Im almost starting to think that this site is some sort of racial paradoy, poking fun at racist people, the things these people say are so ignorant its funny. i fear to live in a world with people this stupid i mean, these people are nothing but a bunch of nazi facist that believe a world without eithnic groups would solve every problem we face. dont quit your day job.

"hair gel - negroes spread feces in their hair giving the idea to a White to us a alternate substance.
lip plumper - negroes shove plates into their all ready large lips to make them even larger, some White took the idea and uses silicon instead.
nose piercing originated in africa
drive by shootings - some misinformed may credit this with Romans in chariots, however unless bass is thumping it don't count has a hit.
race card- black on white crime, predominately white investigators, white prosecution, negro jury = acquittal
hurricane fraud - just because you wanted to go to New Orleans doesn't mean you are entitled to FEMA benefits.
educational reform - after 3 years failing the same grade, teacher will eventually promote you just to give the rest of the class a chance to learn."

[industrian]

Good ol' Nazis. Where would we be without their great insight into social problems?

[Boltzmann]

It's not unexpected at all. Xenophobic memes, triggered by the underlying genetic make-up (oh no, here comes Boltz with the genes again!) are expected in the evolution of imperfectly deceptive social organisms (i.e. humans).

Of course it's totally irrational, and it must be fought, just like other irrational impulses (e.g. religion). But racism is even worse than religion (except when it hijacks religion, which happened all too often in our history).

So I'm disgusted, even though I'm not surprised.

BTW, please note that when I'm talking about fighting I'm not implying censorship. I don't think that censorship works, and I'm against it on principle. We must approach the problem rationally, and understanding it's roots is paramount if we're going to sucessfully tackle it.

[jonc2006]

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

It's not unexpected at all. Xenophobic memes, triggered by the underlying genetic make-up (oh no, here comes Boltz with the genes again!) are expected in the evolution of imperfectly deceptive social organisms (i.e. humans).

Of course it's totally irrational, and it must be fought, just like other irrational impulses (e.g. religion). But racism is even worse than religion (except when it hijacks religion, which happened all too often in our history).

So I'm disgusted, even though I'm not surprised.

BTW, please note that when I'm talking about fighting I'm not implying censorship. I don't think that censorship works, and I'm against it on principle. We must approach the problem rationally, and understanding it's roots is paramount if we're going to sucessfully tackle it.

oh of course, what i cant stand is when they try to justify their actions by saying they are simply "defending our hereitge". these people claim that no one wants to stand up and fight for our (white) race, so they take up the job. i am sickened to even think of the idea that these people want to represent us as a whole, i have no respect for these types of people at all and i never will, their hate is hypocrisy at its most basic form and it makes the good "white" people look bad.

[Boltzmann]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

oh of course, what i cant stand is when they try to justify their actions by saying they are simply "defending our hereitge". these people claim that no one wants to stand up and fight for our (white) race, so they take up the job. i am sickened to even think of the idea that these people want to represent us as a whole, i have no respect for these types of people at all and i never will, their hate is hypocrisy at its most basic form and it makes the good "white" people look bad.

100% agree.

That's why I ditch the concept of race altogether. The only race I belong to is the human race

[jonc2006]

they imo could be branded as conspirecy theorist, they feel that the media and political groups and governments are being manipulated and controlled by the "jews" and that the whole world is conspireing against them. its actually quite funny how their insecuritys about themselves stick out like a sore thumb. i find it mind numbing that they say the "jews" are lying about the number of deaths in the holocaust. the number of people who died is irrelevent imo, weather the number is acurate or not doesnt take away the fact that human beings were exterminating other human beings out of fear and intolerance, the number doesnt matter, even if only one person was killed in the holocaust its still cold blooded murder and i hope to god we dont go down that path again.

[JJXB]

i don't think that beacuse 1 or 2 of the specified race/culture are *******s, the whole race/culture is. the only way i may be perceived as racist is when it comes to the lazy immigrants (not the ones who actually do some work and rightfully earn their money, they aren't lazy bastards which makes them fine to live in this country as long as they don't change all of our native culture) the lazy ones lust piss me off since they do nothing and get paid for it. and when i'm onabout our "native culture", i mean the culture you personally take part in (i.e. don't go forcing changes on cultures they aren't naturally part of - muslims forcing everyone else to change the name of christmas to "winterval" to be politically correct is wrong since they are interfering with a culture they aren't an actual part of.) i don't get offended by other cultures (by any means i accept them as something good), i just don't like one minority forcing their beliefs into another culture because it will offend that minority. please don't take any of these comments in a nasty way, i just don't like seeing one culture forcing their beliefs upon another.

OT: F**king Auto Log-out *bangs head against wall*

[Boltzmann]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

they imo could be branded as conspirecy theorist, they feel that the media and political groups and governments are being manipulated

That's cultish behavior. Most supremacist groups behave like this - the n_azi also had several crank notions akin to this.

It can also be found in today's new age books and websites. They seem to believe in vast conspiracies by the "scientific stablishment" to discredit their ideas.

This is another example of inborn human irrationality - blaming "the others" for your woes.

Originally Posted by jonc2006

and controlled by the "jews" and that the whole world is conspireing against them.

My own father buys into this "jew conspiracy" thing, although he's quite sure that they have joined the communists

Originally Posted by jonc2006

its actually quite funny how their insecuritys about themselves stick out like a sore thumb. i find it mind numbing that they say the "jews" are lying about the number of deaths in the holocaust. the number of people who died is irrelevent imo, weather the number is acurate or not doesnt take away the fact that human beings were exterminating other human beings out of fear and intolerance, the number doesnt matter, even if only one person was killed in the holocaust its still cold blooded murder and i hope to god we dont go down that path again.

That's a good point. The true numbers do not really matter (although historical evidence discredits the holocaust deniers claims) - the deed by itself is bad enough.

[industrian]

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

That's cultish behavior. Most supremacist groups behave like this - the n_azi also had several crank notions akin to this.

You do realise the word Nazi is no longer censored.

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

It can also be found in today's new age books and websites. They seem to believe in vast conspiracies by the "scientific stablishment" to discredit their ideas.

Sensationalist bulls**t sells more newspapers than the "boring" truth.

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

This is another example of inborn human irrationality - blaming "the others" for your woes.

You get that in everything nowadays, and it pisses me off. No-one wants to admit to their own failings.

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

My own father buys into this "jew conspiracy" thing, although he's quite sure that they have joined the communists

The whole Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion conspiracy cracks me up.

I'm willing to bet that within a year or so, some dude is gonna find this post on Page 203 of a Google search and sign up just to make a misguided tirade BTW.

[jonc2006]

Originally Posted by JJXB

i don't think that beacuse 1 or 2 of the specified race/culture are *******s, the whole race/culture is. the only way i may be perceived as racist is when it comes to the lazy immigrants (not the ones who actually do some work and rightfully earn their money, they aren't lazy bastards which makes them fine to live in this country as long as they don't change all of our native culture) the lazy ones lust piss me off since they do nothing and get paid for it. and when i'm onabout our "native culture", i mean the culture you personally take part in (i.e. don't go forcing changes on cultures they aren't naturally part of - muslims forcing everyone else to change the name of christmas to "winterval" to be politically correct is wrong since they are interfering with a culture they aren't an actual part of.) i don't get offended by other cultures (by any means i accept them as something good), i just don't like one minority forcing their beliefs into another culture because it will offend that minority. please don't take any of these comments in a nasty way, i just don't like seeing one culture forcing their beliefs upon another.

OT: F**king Auto Log-out *bangs head against wall*

well i dont "hate" lazy immigrants, but the ones that do honest work are really good people because they dont take what money they make for granted. here people complain about not being paid enough when they are getting like 10-13 dollars an hour (at my job) but the hispanics that work for us work harder and get more work done than anyone else i work with and are grateful for the pay they recive.

"change the name of christmas to "winterval" to be politically correct is wrong "

well, some people just really hate the holidays

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

This is another example of inborn human irrationality - blaming "the others" for your woes.

well in a way i almost feel sorry (....scratch that, i dont.) for some of them because that type of hate isnt givin to you at birth, its fed into you by the people who raise you. these people teach their children the same type of viewpoint and the circle keeps going round and round, its sad that children are raised like that. and im for freedom of speech and soforth but this type of propaganda is just downright evil, it never has solved problems, its only created more of them.

[Demigod]

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

100% agree.

That's why I ditch the concept of race altogether. The only race I belong to is the human race

Agreed. To divide people up for minor superficial differences is just plain stupid. I believe Richard Dawkins said that there are more genetic difference within races than between them. Separating people by "race" is like dividing up people by their hair color or the shape of their nose. I long for a day when everyone will be recognize as just "human", without any racial references.

As for the stormfront site I couldn't read more than a page of it. It makes me very sad to see that there are such bigots in the world.

[Boltzmann]

Originally Posted by industrian

You do realise the word Nazi is no longer censored.

My bad. I've been away for too long

Originally Posted by jonc2006

well in a way i almost feel sorry (....scratch that, i dont.) for some of them because that type of hate isnt givin to you at birth, its fed into you by the people who raise you. these people teach their children the same type of viewpoint and the circle keeps going round and round, its sad that children are raised like that. and im for freedom of speech and soforth but this type of propaganda is just downright evil, it never has solved problems, its only created more of them.

The tendency to blame others is innate. It happens in all cultures, in all time periods. I'd even call it a human universal.

Now, the question of WHO is to blame for your problems, that's mostly a cultural phenomenon. The parents are part of the problem, but a lot of it is absorbed from the culture as a whole. A community where racism is encouraged is more likely to breed racists (the same goes for violence, BTW).

Originally Posted by jonc2006

and im for freedom of speech and soforth but this type of propaganda is just downright evil, it never has solved problems, its only created more of them.

And I agree that it's evil, but I still wouldn't censor it.

The problem is: who gets to decide what's "evil". If it were up for George Bush, I'm quite sure he would label atheist websites "evil". That's why I oppose censorship on principle: no one can be trusted to be free of biases in their judgement.

We must fight with science, ethics and rationality as our allies, not censorship.

[Player-X]

They operate on irrationality and so therefore no amount of rationality would work on them.
"We have to use irrationality in order to push the irrational towards rationality." - me

Personally I have been called controversial but I think both the people being Nazi style racists and the people trying to censor stuff to be "sensitive to other races" are both equally racists as for me racists are people who actually care about the differences between races.

Besides I have been told that I seem to thrive on racist stereotypes of Asians especially Chinese and I regularly make Chinese jokes based on the principle of "It's not racist if you are one" and "It's not racism if you are actually acting stereotypically", I don't get why some non Asians feel offended by me joking about the stereotypes that I actually fit.

I think the best way to combat racism is to overuse racists ideas that they literally wear out from becoming so ridiculous that no one cares abut them, that or do it like Malaysia where racism is more of a casual generalization than a wedge.

[Cid Highwind]

Racism and racial / sexual discrimination disgusts me... too bad the Dutch goverment thinks of it as a good thing. "Positive discrimination", yeah right, employ a non-native Dutch person simply because he isn't from the Netherlands, while ignoring the native Dutch person while he has superior skills. I really wonder how many people in this country I live in know the actual meaning of the word in the first place.

[jonc2006]

Originally Posted by Boltzmann

My bad. I've been away for too long



The tendency to blame others is innate. It happens in all cultures, in all time periods. I'd even call it a human universal.

Now, the question of WHO is to blame for your problems, that's mostly a cultural phenomenon. The parents are part of the problem, but a lot of it is absorbed from the culture as a whole. A community where racism is encouraged is more likely to breed racists (the same goes for violence, BTW).



And I agree that it's evil, but I still wouldn't censor it.

The problem is: who gets to decide what's "evil". If it were up for George Bush, I'm quite sure he would label atheist websites "evil". That's why I oppose censorship on principle: no one can be trusted to be free of biases in their judgement.

We must fight with science, ethics and rationality as our allies, not censorship.

guess what cracks me up?

their definition of superior

and i thought bob saget was creepy.

[Player-X]

Originally Posted by jonc2006

guess what cracks me up?

their definition of superior

and i thought bob saget was creepy.

That is to be expected.

[jonc2006]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...29413p118.html

there is the page my post is on, im anxious to see what these assclowns say in reply.