good news for file sharers inside .

[upwardexhalebwn]

A federal appeals court has upheld a controversial court decision that said file-sharing software programs such as Grokster or Morpheus are legal.
Following the lead of a lower court decision last year, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in Los Angeles said on Thursday that peer-to-peer software developers were not liable for any copyright infringement committed by people using their products, as long as they had no direct ability to stop the acts. (Download the decision.)

The ruling means that companies that write and distribute peer-to-peer software can't be shut down because of the actions of their customers. But it doesn't shield peer-to-peer users who download copyrighted files from lawsuits, such as those filed against thousands of individuals by the Recording Industry Association of America.

The long-awaited decision did not say that file-trading itself was legal, and lower courts in the United States have said that individual computer users are breaking the law when they trade copyrighted files without permission. But the ruling does lift the cloud of potential liability from defendants Grokster and StreamCast Networks, as well as from many of their rivals.

"The (record labels and movie studios) urge a re-examination of the law in the light of what they believe to be proper public policy," the court wrote. "Doubtless, taking that step would satisfy the copyright owners' immediate economic aims. However, it would also alter general copyright law in profound ways with unknown ultimate consequences outside the present context."

The decision marks a substantial--if not entirely unexpected--setback for the big record labels and movie studios, which have tried hard to win legal rulings that would clamp down on anarchic peer-to-peer networks such as Kazaa or eDonkey.

[RZetlin]

Can you please provide a link this news because I'm hearing something different.

Congress and the music industry is busy working on the Induce Act which pretty much bans digital technology like the iPod and P2P software.

When this pass, America will have to revert make to sticks and stones.

[upwardexhalebwn]

*link removed*

[Binzo]

Ironic, sharing is wrong. Stealing is ok.

[Kirby]

no matter...they can never shut down IRC >

[ArchIBaLD]

hmmm why do you talk about that? isnt it phorbitten?

an let me ask you a question: why do you have to pay alot of money (50$) for doom 3 instead of just downloading it and erasing it later (cinse it sucks :LOL

[Razor Blade]

Talking about it in general isn't forbidden.

Just if you said "I downloaded X Game from the internet" That wouldn't be allowed.

>>an let me ask you a question: why do you have to pay alot of money (50$) for doom 3 instead of just downloading it and erasing it later

Because the act of downloading it is illegal, and buying a game supports the companies who published and developed it.

[ArchIBaLD]

first of all there are no rulez agains downloading. what RIAA is doing is not very effective. those are not rulez. if there are written rulez please direct me to them.

Edit>> Ho and what about the emulators? you are stealing from Sony Nintendo Sega and so one and so on. the only commortial emulator that i know of is bleem!
so what do you have to say about that?

[Cid Highwind]

IIRC there's an article on NGEMU about this written by Lord Kane.
I'll try to find it.

[Kane]

Did I write something like that? I remember one on 'perfect' emulation, but that's about it.

[ArchIBaLD]

So? can someone answer me?

>>Ho and what about the emulators? you are stealing from Sony Nintendo Sega and so one and so on. the only commortial emulator that i know of is bleem!
so what do you have to say about that?

[Razor Blade]

Umm ... This is what I have to say ...

>>Ho and what about the emulators? you are stealing from Sony Nintendo Sega and so one and so on. the only commortial emulator that i know of is bleem!

How are you stealing from Sony Nintendo and Sega? Authord/Coders made those emulators, so it is their work. If you knew some emulation history you would know that bleem! was the one making a profit off of Sony's losses (using manufactured bios and making money from them)

So the comment you just posted isn't really right. You aren't stealing anything at all.

[FLaRe85]

Originally Posted by ArchIBaLD

So? can someone answer me?

>>Ho and what about the emulators? you are stealing from Sony Nintendo Sega and so one and so on. the only commortial emulator that i know of is bleem!
so what do you have to say about that?

I'm sorry, but you're severely incorrect regarding that matter. Firstly, the emulator simulates the hardware environment of the console it is meant to emulate. It is intended to be a replacement for the console. However companies like Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony lose money on the sale of the consoles, because it costs them more to manufacture it than the amount of the sale. The real money is made on the licensing of games. So, in a sense, the emu authors are doing those companies a favor. Though, in the case of consoles that use a BIOS, the individual is only legally entitled to have a copy of that BIOS if they own the original console. So, in this case, the emulator acts as somewhat of a supplement rather than a replacement.

I kind of get the idea that you don't understand the general intent or purpose of emulation. It seems that you think the reason emu authors code their works so that it's possible to pirate games, which is quite the opposite, actually. I take it you're not a programmer so it would be difficult for you to comprehend the enjoyment factor that goes with coding such a difficult project. Emulators also come in handy as great development tools for game production and debugging.

Anyways, I don't feel like going into a rant so I'll stop here. I think I got my point across.

[FLaRe85]

Originally Posted by Razor Blade

If you knew some emulation history you would know that bleem! was the one making a profit off of Sony's losses (using manufactured bios and making money from them)

That sort of sends the wrong message with the way you have it worded. Yes, Bleem! was a commercial emulator. It was very similar to PCSX in that it bypassed the requirement to have an actual PSX BIOS through the use of a reverse-engineered internal HLE BIOS. Bleem! did manage to stir up a lot of commotion in its time, which eventually caught the attention of Sony who ended up taking Bleem! to court several times. Though, each time, Bleem! was found to be legal. They just ran out of money in the end.

[Razor Blade]

Still ... and this is a personal opinion

I don't think emulation should be making a profit unless it is from the company itself and is perfect. Not saying that some out now aren't perfect or near that. I wasn't all that saddened when Bleem! got the boot.

To tell you the truth around the first times that Bleem! was in trouble that's when I discovered ngemu ...

[ArchIBaLD]

hmm good point flare.. never thought of that :\
if a person is descovered the creator of the emulator, will the console compeny sue/sew (maybe both wrong :X) him? just out of curiosety..

O and i know alot of emulaton history.. from Dark Watcher's site (if that is his nick.. i dont remember.. )

[Razor Blade]

I don't think so. They just coded a program and plus it is free. They aren't making a profit on anything and aren't breaking any laws (like using internet bios, or packaging illegal things with the emu) Also it does no harm.

On a side note - most people who use these emulators usually has a console and games for it anyways. For me emulators made me buy even more games because they almost get a second chance for being better. So in the end The gaming companies are making more money from consumers buying those games - In some cases.

[ArchIBaLD]

hmm that's because you buy.. i dont. I download (shhhh ) and that's the main reason why the compeny will sew
Any way the compeny will probebly sew.. its still a copy of there prodact.

the fact that it is free doesnt mean much..

thats my opinion

[Razor Blade]

>>the fact that it is free doesnt mean much..

The emulator is free - the games aren't supposed to be.

>>hmm that's because you buy.. i dont. I download (shhhh )

I told you in a previous post that saying you download games is against the RULES Please don't mention that again and read the rules thouroughly.

You shouldn't download the games - you should be supporting the companies who work hard to make the games. It's people who just download the games who make emulation have a bad name.

[ArchIBaLD]

so you mean i have to pay for a game 70$? coz thats the price of an avarge game where i live.

but lets not talk about it..