Pixel Shaders

jareg · April 20th, 2004

Can anywon tell my how much pixel shader support has Geforce 4 MX Cards

Yust Curios

April 20th, 2004

None.

**fivefeet8** · April 20th, 2004

None what so ever. Geforce4 mx cards are dx7 class. You'd need atleast a Geforce3, 4ti, or newer.

Mr. Killjoy · April 20th, 2004

Yeah, just like me they got you... you bought a PC with GF4 and you thought
"Yay, I have a GF4... I can sell my GF2MX!!!"
But that GF4 has MX in the name, meaning that it's just a GF2MX Turbo

No pixel shaders, not even the first versions

... and Vertex Shader isn't even hardware

**FLaRe85** · April 20th, 2004

Don't you hate that?

I've been playing PoP lately and it uses quite a bit of pixel shader effects so I had to castrate the video settings and disable a lot of the special effects just to get it to run properly on my card. It didn't turn out too bad though.

http://blog.flaretech.net/media/pop_battle.wmv

jareg · April 20th, 2004

Oh Darn well anyway comp games work just fine with my gfx card so far

so thats that

Thanks for the anwser

Cool Video FLaRe85

DontBeAfraid · April 20th, 2004

Ya, but pixel shading makes things look so pretty.... You are missing out.

Player-X · April 20th, 2004

>Ya, but pixel shading makes things look so pretty.... You are missing out

So does DX9 functionality

Mr. Killjoy · April 20th, 2004

>> Oh Darn well anyway comp games work just fine with my gfx card so far so thats that

Repeat that when you try to play Silent Hill 3 or HL2 (HL2 works without, but it's damn slow and ugly)

**n_w95482** · April 20th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Killjoy

Yeah, just like me they got you... you bought a PC with GF4 and you thought
"Yay, I have a GF4... I can sell my GF2MX!!!"
But that GF4 has MX in the name, meaning that it's just a GF2MX Turbo

No pixel shaders, not even the first versions

... and Vertex Shader isn't even hardware

Ah, so that's why the vertex shader part of 3DMark 2001 ran so slow on my K6-2 box when I had my GF4 MX 420 in it

.

Frostmourne · April 20th, 2004

iam stuck with the same problem. i got a G4 mx 440 and i was waiting to get my hands on PoP. when i got it, i realised that my card dosen't have any @#$%!* pixel shaders

i had to play it at my friends place. its really wierd that the game dosen't support a GForce 4 when you see the nVidia logo in the intro :cuss2: "the way its ment to be played"

yeah right.

**fivefeet8** · April 20th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostmourne

iam stuck with the same problem. i got a G4 mx 440 and i was waiting to get my hands on PoP. when i got it, i realised that my card dosen't have any @#$%!* pixel shaders

i had to play it at my friends place. its really wierd that the game dosen't support a GForce 4 when you see the nVidia logo in the intro :cuss2: "the way its ment to be played"

yeah right.

The game can run and use pixel shaders fine on Geforce 4 ti cards and even on Geforce3 cards which also have PS. It's your video card that isn't allowing the game to use all the effects.

**Raziel** · April 20th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostmourne

iam stuck with the same problem. i got a G4 mx 440 and i was waiting to get my hands on PoP. when i got it, i realised that my card dosen't have any @#$%!* pixel shaders

i had to play it at my friends place. its really wierd that the game dosen't support a GForce 4 when you see the nVidia logo in the intro :cuss2: "the way its ment to be played"

yeah right.

It's not weird, it does support the GeForce 4, the real one, the GF4 mx is just an improved GeForce 2. And many games with the nvidia logo on them won't run with older hardware that can't provide the required features.

Frostmourne · April 20th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

The game can run and use pixel shaders fine on Geforce 4 ti cards and even on Geforce3 cards which also have PS. It's your video card that isn't allowing the game to use all the effects.

i don't have a Gforce4 Ti. i got a Gforce4 MX 440. the game does run but with really crappy graphics and its soooo slow that you think the whole game is running in "Bullet Time"(if you played Max Payne, you know what i mean by that

)

Mr. Killjoy · April 21st, 2004

There's no other way than changing for a better card

Aim for at least a GF5600 or its ATI equivalent, the prices are starting to be reasonnable (but still more than I can afford now

)

N1ghtw0lf · April 21st, 2004

Yea i have a Geforce4Ti 4200 and it has pixel shading...not the highest level (considering its not a dx9 card) but it still has some. It came with morrowind just to show it off

I got it for about $125 a year ago and it still does me just fine with everything i do

**cooliscool** · April 21st, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLaRe85

Don't you hate that?

I've been playing PoP lately and it uses quite a bit of pixel shader effects so I had to castrate the video settings and disable a lot of the special effects just to get it to run properly on my card. It didn't turn out too bad though.

http://blog.flaretech.net/media/pop_battle.wmv

It runs like complete ass on my card. I've turned everything to lowest with no effect. I don't think it's my CPU, I'm sure it can pull in more than 3fps.

How'd you do it?

Frostmourne · April 21st, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Killjoy

There's no other way than changing for a better card

Aim for at least a GF5600 or its ATI equivalent, the prices are starting to be reasonnable (but still more than I can afford now

)

no thankx dude. nVidia have already launched the GeForce 6800 Ultra. thankx to this mother of a card, the game developers will push the envelope even further. every damn gfx card has a lifespan of about 6 to 8 months. i really wonder why the hell they cost a fortune when they don't even last a year

i think were better off buying a console. atleast they last about 4 to 5 years

Player-X · April 22nd, 2004

>i really wonder why the hell they cost a fortune when they don't even last a year

it's called making a optimal profit from the market,Besides the employes(From the head honcho to the janitor) needs to eat

>i think were better off buying a console.

Done That

Sampah · April 25th, 2004

Geforce 4 MX does not support pixel shader right? it suppose cannot run Prince of persia sand of times but some of my friends says that they can run it on MX card, I've try it and it says required at least DX8 cards...yeah, my card only support DX7 CRAp!

April 20th, 2004	#1 (permalink)
jareg Just A Advicer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Estonia Posts: 386	Pixel Shaders Can anywon tell my how much pixel shader support has Geforce 4 MX Cards Yust Curios __________________ My PC: CPU+++AMD XP 2000+1.67GHZ+++ GPU+++64MB Geforce 4 MX+++ RAM+++256MB SDRAM+++ HDD+++40GB+++ Op Sys+++Windows XP SP1+++

April 20th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,587	None what so ever. Geforce4 mx cards are dx7 class. You'd need atleast a Geforce3, 4ti, or newer. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

April 20th, 2004	#4 (permalink)
Mr. Killjoy [Suggest a custom title] Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,753	Yeah, just like me they got you... you bought a PC with GF4 and you thought "Yay, I have a GF4... I can sell my GF2MX!!!" But that GF4 has MX in the name, meaning that it's just a GF2MX Turbo No pixel shaders, not even the first versions ... and Vertex Shader isn't even hardware __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 2GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF8800GTS 512MB OC - Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec Trio 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - WindowsXP-Pro SP2 --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

April 20th, 2004	#5 (permalink)
FLaRe85 I Need a Weapon Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,321	Don't you hate that? I've been playing PoP lately and it uses quite a bit of pixel shader effects so I had to castrate the video settings and disable a lot of the special effects just to get it to run properly on my card. It didn't turn out too bad though. http://blog.flaretech.net/media/pop_battle.wmv __________________ .: Flaretech.Net :: Flaretech.Biz Web Hosting :: H3 Stats :: My Blog :. .: Mac Pro :: Dual Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5400s :: 6 GB 800MHz DDR2 ECC FB-DIMMs :: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB GDDR3 :. .: Macbook Pro 17" :: 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo :: 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 :: ATI Radeon X1600 :. .: Home Server :: 2.41 GHz AMD Opteron 180 :: 4 GB DDR400 :: Windows Server 2003 Enterprise R2 :.

April 20th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
jareg Just A Advicer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Estonia Posts: 386	Oh Darn well anyway comp games work just fine with my gfx card so far so thats that Thanks for the anwser Cool Video FLaRe85 __________________ My PC: CPU+++AMD XP 2000+1.67GHZ+++ GPU+++64MB Geforce 4 MX+++ RAM+++256MB SDRAM+++ HDD+++40GB+++ Op Sys+++Windows XP SP1+++ Last edited by jareg; April 20th, 2004 at 11:25.

April 20th, 2004	#2 (permalink)
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	None.

April 20th, 2004	#7 (permalink)
DontBeAfraid Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 142	Ya, but pixel shading makes things look so pretty.... You are missing out.

April 20th, 2004	#8 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	>Ya, but pixel shading makes things look so pretty.... You are missing out So does DX9 functionality

April 20th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
Mr. Killjoy [Suggest a custom title] Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,753	>> Oh Darn well anyway comp games work just fine with my gfx card so far so thats that Repeat that when you try to play Silent Hill 3 or HL2 (HL2 works without, but it's damn slow and ugly) __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 2GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF8800GTS 512MB OC - Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec Trio 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - WindowsXP-Pro SP2 --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

April 20th, 2004	#11 (permalink)
Frostmourne ^_^ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: India Posts: 620	iam stuck with the same problem. i got a G4 mx 440 and i was waiting to get my hands on PoP. when i got it, i realised that my card dosen't have any @#$%!* pixel shaders i had to play it at my friends place. its really wierd that the game dosen't support a GForce 4 when you see the nVidia logo in the intro :cuss2: "the way its ment to be played" yeah right.

April 21st, 2004	#15 (permalink)
Mr. Killjoy [Suggest a custom title] Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,753	There's no other way than changing for a better card Aim for at least a GF5600 or its ATI equivalent, the prices are starting to be reasonnable (but still more than I can afford now ) __________________ Leader of "The Pessimists' Club" CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3GHz - RAM: 2GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF8800GTS 512MB OC - Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec Trio 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - WindowsXP-Pro SP2 --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/

April 21st, 2004	#16 (permalink)
N1ghtw0lf Crasher of Castles Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 6,836	Yea i have a Geforce4Ti 4200 and it has pixel shading...not the highest level (considering its not a dx9 card) but it still has some. It came with morrowind just to show it off I got it for about $125 a year ago and it still does me just fine with everything i do __________________

April 22nd, 2004	#19 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	>i really wonder why the hell they cost a fortune when they don't even last a year it's called making a optimal profit from the market,Besides the employes(From the head honcho to the janitor) needs to eat >i think were better off buying a console. Done That

April 25th, 2004	#20 (permalink)
Sampah The Handsome Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Unlucky Place Posts: 881	Geforce 4 MX does not support pixel shader right? it suppose cannot run Prince of persia sand of times but some of my friends says that they can run it on MX card, I've try it and it says required at least DX8 cards...yeah, my card only support DX7 CRAp! __________________ PROCESSOR: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ @1.8Ghz RAM: Kingstone 512MB PC3200 MOBO: ECS Nforce4 A939 VGA: Pixelview Geforce 6600GT (Golden Limited Edition) 128MB OS: WinXP pro Service pack 2

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