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April 10th, 2004
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Hostage crisis in Iraq!
I knew something like this was going to happen... -data- Aljazeera television on Thursday aired a silent video of the three Japanese - two men and a woman - and read out a statement addressed to "the friendly people of Japan" from an Iraqi group called Saraya al-Mujahidin. The statement gave Tokyo three days to withdraw its forces from Iraq or have its citizens executed. "We are the sons of Muslim Iraqi people. We were friends and on good terms. Why did you betray us and support the US forces which have violated our soil, our sacred places and land and shed the blood of our children?" demanded the statement. "It is time to retaliate. Three of your nationals are now in our custody and you have either to withdraw, or we will burn them alive." Noriaki Imai is an aid worker who arrived in Iraq one week ago A Japanese government spokesman said Tokyo had no plans to withdraw its troops and demanded the immediate release of its citizens. Japan's NHK television identified them as two journalists and an aid worker. One of the hostages being held by Saraya al-Mujahidin is a woman. The captives were named as as Noriaki Imai, Soichiro Koriyama and Nahoko Takato. Imai, an aid worker, had left for Iraq on 1 April, NHK reported. Controversial mission Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has been one of the strongest backers of the US-led invasion of Iraq, a stance that has raised concern over Japanese troops being targeted. Japan has sent 550 troops to the southern town of Samawa on a non-combat mission. It is Tokyo's riskiest military deployment since the second world war and critics say it violates the country's pacifist constitution. No Japanese soldier has fired a shot in action or been killed in combat since 1945 and casualties could undermine support for PM Koizumi's government ahead of Upper House elections in July. --Koreans freed-- Meanwhile, seven South Koreans who were captured near Baghdad on Thursday, have been released. US ally South Korea has 600 army personnel stationed in Iraq The missionaries, all members of an evangelical South Korean Presbyterian church, were travelling in two cars from Jordan to Baghdad when they were seized on Thursday by a group of 25 to 30 armed men on a road just north of the capital. "At first we were scared and afraid of what would happen. I felt a major gap between our culture and theirs," Lim Young-sup, a church minister, told Reuters. A total of eight missionaries were travelling in the cars but one managed to escape, the others said. The remaining seven were blindfolded and taken to a house by the kidnappers, who initially accused them of being members of the CIA. --Proving innocence-- Hong Kwang-chun said the missionaries tried to tell the Iraqis they were NGO workers and meant no harm. "One of us knew some medicine and so we got our medical kit and showed them that we were doctors and nurses," he said. "Then their attitude changed completely and they became very friendly. They gave us food and something to drink." They were held for around five hours, the Koreans said, before being driven back to the outskirts of the capital escorted by their abductors. They were left with all their possessions apart from $30,000 in cash they had brought into Iraq. US-ally South Korea has 600 military engineers and medics in Iraq and plans to send 3000 more for reconstruction. The incident took place after two South Koreans were released on Tuesday after they were detained for 14 hours by Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr's militiamen. --Others captured-- Two Arabs have also been captured in Iraq, reported Israeli media on Thursday. Iraq is becoming increasingly dangerous for foreigners In footage from Iranian television that was rebroadcast on Israeli television, the men identified themselves as Nabil Razuk, 30, and Ahmad Yasin Tikati, 33. They identified themselves as aid workers. Antoine Razuk said his nephew, who has an Israeli citizenship and lives in occupied East Jerusalem, was working with the US Agency for International Development (USAID). It was unclear whether Tikati also has Israeli citizenship. The Israeli Mossad security service is overseeing the investigation into the report, reported Israeli security sources. --Briton held-- Meanwhile, a British civilian was kidnapped this week in the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriya, the scene of heavy fighting between al-Sadr militiamen and Italian troops, said an occupation official on Thursday. The official named the man as Gary Teeley, a British contractor. British media said Teeley, 37, was said to be a resident in the Middle East and had been working at a US airbase. A Foreign Office official in London confirmed that Teeley was missing, but would not say what he was doing in Iraq or comment on the manner of his disappearance. Separately, a Canadian man working for a US humanitarian organisation has been taken hostage in Iraq, a foreign ministry spokesman said Thursday. --more--- Japan works on hostage release. A group of kidnappers calling themselves the Mujahideen Brigades have said they will burn their civilian captives alive on Sunday unless Japan pulls its troops out of Iraq. Japan has rejected the kidnappers' demand, saying it would be "playing into the hands of the terrorists" to withdraw. The three Japanese were among 12 overseas nationals kidnapped in recent days in various incidents within Iraq, a seemingly new tactic by insurgents to try to drive a wedge in the U.S.-led coalition. Senior Vice Foreign Minister Ichiro Aisawa, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's special envoy, arrived early Saturday in the Jordanian capital of Amman. Aisawa told reporters: "Our goal is to rescue the hostages", adding that "nothing is beyond us". Hundreds of people staged a candlelight vigil outside the prime minister's office in Tokyo Friday night and demonstrators followed up with more protests Saturday calling for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney is due in Tokyo Saturday for talks with Koziumi. Japanese reacted in shock and anger at the videotape showing the three Japanese nationals held hostage at gunpoint and threatened with knives. The video was delivered to the Arab television network Al-Jazeera with a written demand: Withdraw Japanese troops from Iraq within three days, or the hostages will be burned alive. Koizumi defended the government's position, when a reporter asked the Japanese leader if "push comes to shove, you wouldn't withdraw?" "We must ensure and do all it takes so it doesn't come to that," Koizumi said. Japan has more than 500 troops on the ground in Iraq, part of a 1,000-strong contingent heading there for humanitarian missions. Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hatsuhisa Takashima told CNN that the troops were in Iraq to help the Iraqi people reconstruct their country. The sending of troops has stirred up controversy in Japan with many critics arguing that the dispatch violates the nation's pacifist constitution. Opinion polls showed most Japanese were against the Iraq war and also opposed to the deployment of troops. Despite the public's initial opposition, Takashima said most people now support the Self-Defense Forces in Iraq. "With the television showing the people of Iraq welcoming the Self-Defense Forces, it has become very popular," Takashima said. Video of the three Japanese hostages shows them being manhandled, humiliated and threatened with guns and knives -- at times, the knives pressed to their throats. The three hostages -- Noriaki Imai, 18, freelance journalist Soichiro Koriyama, 32, and aid worker Nahoko Takato, 34 -- apparently were taken captive while they were traveling overland from Amman to Baghdad. ---Also--- Tape shows apparent U.S. hostage Search on for other foreign nationals missing, kidnapped in Iraq An Australian television network broadcast footage on Saturday of armed militants in Iraq holding a man who appeared to be an American, as U.S. and coalition forces searched for foreign nationals who have been kidnapped or reported missing in recent days. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation showed a car stopping on a highway and masked, armed men getting out and asking journalists to look at a hostage, who was sitting in the back seat next to a gunman. A journalist asked the man what happened and the man, white and middle-aged, replied in a slight Southern U.S. accent that "they attacked our convoy. That's all I'm going to say." It is unclear if the man on the video is referring to an incident Friday when a fuel convoy was attacked near Baghdad International Airport. He gave his name. Then the men got into the car and drove off. The network said the video was shot on the road between Baghdad and Fallujah, where U.S. Marines have been fighting pitched battles with insurgents for control of the town. Marines have paused in their strikes on Fallujah, with coalition authorities asking for talks between Iraqi authorities and insurgents. Sporadic fighting continues, however. (Full story) The Pentagon said two U.S. soldiers and four civilian contractors -- some of them American -- are unaccounted for after a fuel convoy was attacked near Baghdad International Airport Friday. The four were from the same company. One U.S. soldier and an Iraqi driver were killed in the incident and 12 people were wounded. U.S. officials in Baghdad are working with the employer of the civilians to try to trace the normal routine, duties and whom the civilians are regularly in touch with in an attempt to piece together what could have happened to them, a State Department official said. The official said "we know that they are missing but we don't know more than that." Meanwhile, the German Foreign Ministry Saturday confirmed that two security people assigned to the German Embassy in Baghdad were missing. An Interior Ministry spokesman said he could not rule out that the two were dead. German media has reported that the men -- members of the elite GSG9 force --were part of a convoy driving from Amman, Jordan, to Baghdad. The rest of the convoy reportedly arrived safely to the embassy, a small office where a handful of diplomats are working.(Full story) A Japanese official arrived in Jordan Saturday to try to learn more about the kidnapping of three Japanese citizens in Iraq, and negotiate their release. A group calling itself the Mujahedeen Squadrons demanded Tokyo withdraw its troops from Iraq by Sunday, or it will kill the hostages. So far, Japan has refused to give into the terrorists' demands. A videotape released Thursday showing the three Japanese nationals held hostage at gunpoint and threatened with knives. (Full story) Protesters packed the streets of Tokyo for a second day on Saturday demanding the government to meet the kidnappers' demands. Two Israeli-Arab foreign aid workers also remain in captivity. Seven South Korean missionaries were released unharmed Thursday, hours after they were taken. --Other developments-- Fighting continues in several cities around Iraq. In the southern city of Kut, U.S. troops battled the banned militia loyal to militant Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The coalition said on Saturday it has control over about 70 percent of Kut. The militia has partial control of Ramadi and full control of Najaf. On Sunday, about 5 million Shiite worshipers are expected to converge on the holy city of Karbala for the festival of Arbayeen, marking 40 days after the death of Imam Hussein. Celebrations will also take place in Najaf. Sunday also marks the end of 40 days of mourning since more than 180 people were killed in Baghdad and Karbala during the Shiite festival of Ashura in March. Fugitive insurgent Abu Musab Zarqawi, believed to have ties to al Qaeda, has called for the killing of Shiites during pilgrimage -data- Last edited by Katsuya; April 10th, 2004 at 20:04. |
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April 11th, 2004
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Reading that makes me feel sick... They took the japanese hostage because they want to divide the US-led coalition, and turn the other nations against Bush. I say we just hand them Bush, Cheney, and Condoleeza Rice on a silver platter and be done with the whole thing. (Plus Bush and Cheney's bank accounts.)
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Well George Bush did say, "Bring them on!" Looks like he got his wish.
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good news  http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...C41B0E93D0.htm
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(Let's also hope they release that American. and anyone else held hostage) Last edited by Katsuya; April 11th, 2004 at 02:07. |
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Most of you dont seem to have a good understanding of the situation. They are fighting because : 1) Their country has been invaded 2) Their boys, girls, men and woman get killed on daily basis. Missiles are always fired on mosques and residental areas and justified by one lame excuse or another 3) A goverment was chosen which did not gain the majority of iraqis support. In otherwords, a government is imposed on them whether they like it or not, which is a form of suppression Their reply? Assaults against the people who invaded them. Ofcourse, kidnapping and threatening to kill hostages is an un acceptable act. The goal doesnt justify the method. However, the only reason they would let go of the hostages is because Islam forebidden innocents kidnapped or burned during war. Quoting what Mohammad said ( not the exact words, but more of what they mean ) "No one tortures someone alive with fire except the Lord of the fire himself ( aka : God ) " If you read the news carefully, it says that after the shiite ( a branch of islam, whether it does belong to islam is debatable, but lets go for now as a "branch of islam" ) Councel spoke with the group of kidnappers, they are now willing to let go. It wouldnt be suprising that they would let them go after they recieved " guidance" that what they are doing contradicts their believes and I sincerly hope that they do As for the matter of kidnapping soldiers, I think thats an act of war, they should be treated as war prisoners rather than hostages, where they are treated equally and not tortured. Yours, -Elly
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(RZetlin shakes his head) What can I say... The world warned about the mess that will happen with Iraq, but I guess some people have to learn it the hard way.
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First: During war, you can kill your opponent, but if your opponent has innocent people as hostage, try to prevent them from dying. If your opponent surrenders and returns to you, DON'T kill him. From another topic: Second: Islam allows revenge on an equal measure. life to life, eye to eye, etc. But also it has been said that it is supreme to forgive. This makes me confused. I am not shiite, so may be there are difference, but I am directly talking from Quran. But then again, my knowledge is scarce. These two points when applied to this situation can be contradictory. I will talk to my Islamiat Teacher about this. From my personal view. I don't give a damn. So many inoocent lives are being destroyed everyday without notice then why make such a big fuss over three more?
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 but here's my "humble" understanding of itIslam has rules of war , when you fight, you only kill the people who fight against you , so there's no : - killing women, - killing children - Killing eldery, - Destroying buildings and public property As far as I know, the concept of Jihad ( no, its not a "holy war", damned media  - A holy war is a fight between people who try to impose their religon onto others because they think its right ), envolves defending yourself when you are attacked, and islam gives muslims the right to return the damage they got.I dont know about the Shiite Either, but I assume that applys to them as well. What I am certain about is that in order to acheive anything in Islam, your: a) Goal has to legit b) Your means to achieve that goal has to be legit And in this case, the people who kidnapped innocent civilians broke the second part of that rule. Again, this is what I understand from it,..please correct me if you feel I missed something out/ commited a mistake somewhere  Yours, -Elly
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I believe in Linux lol actually I am Christian, but could pass for a Jew being from israel and my family is and all lol..anyway yeah I hope everything works out over there in Iraq. It is a shame when anybody even a "bad guy" dies. They are all the Lords children so to speak.
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Let's see here. There's got to be some type of radical view on this subject. http://www.rightnation.us/forums/ind...howtopic=35597 http://www.cooperforpresident.com/id181.html Quote:
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"The female of the group (Takato) was also a known loopy leafy lefty who went to Iraq a year ago, when British and U.S. tanks entered Baghdad. " LOL. It's almost funny to read. When the heck are the neo-cons going to realize that: War on Iraq != War on Terrorism.
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I don't know about u guys , but i'm actually very confused . they the right to do this as they r defending their land , but on the other hand we muslims never kill women , children , old ppl . what were this 3 japanese doing ? if they were part of this war , then they deserve to die , they r opponents now . i guess so . i really hope japan takes it's army out of iraq (why did they go there in first place ? ) I hate when nations unite for war on weak countries with no logic reason (where are these weapons , huh ) then they pretend to be innocent . One word finally : If God gave us the opportuninty to give peace , will we use it ? i hope so . |
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Seta-San, I do not appreciate the insults. We can all see your bias on this situation do to your need for insulting *shows your anger*. anyway disregarding the insult, I am not convinced what so ever that the Iraqi war was justified. War is and should be the last option however Bush and Rumsfield think its 2nd on the list after the threats. Yeah Saddam was a man that needed dealing with and I DO believe the people disliked him, but they also dislike foreign presence in their country. I predict years and years of struggle for Iraq and possibly the world. I believe WW3 will eventually develop and Armagedon consumes whats left of this world. Could this be a small step in a plan set in motion for ww3? only time will tell. Also ive lived through terroristic situations most of my life living in Israel and still think the Israeli gov't needs changing.. so in terms of your friend dieing or whatever im sorry about that but I am not fooled by deaths because there are many who think life is cheap and a disposable comodity. Gov't would love you to flare up because somebody killed your friend/family whatever.. because it suits their cause. insite? my insite grows stronger each day by not blowing my emotions all out of proportion by death. Look at the cause and not the effect and maybe your insite will grow enough to stop insulting. peace.
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Hellmasterx . i don't think i've fully understanded u , but i think that what makes wars  stop thinking about bad side and good side , they r two sides each thinking he is the good one . look at the american soldiers , i believe that they know that what they make is wrong , but what can they do , nothing as these r the orders . as a reaction iraq ppl can do what they see right to save their homes . i remeber during the invasion of usa , i was chatting with an iraqian girl , she told me that she hates Saddam but she doesn't want USA to come too . they r weak clueless nation who were sucked by Saddam wicked plans and r now suffering the american invasion
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