Your ideas on: governing systems

Proto · October 26th, 2003

Well since people seem to have some headaches with the latest philosophy threads my next topic will be down to more practical grounds

First of all lets make sure there is no confusion. We will try to talk about governing system, not exactly economical system. So no, communism and capitalism aint governing systems :P

So you can choose between fascism, plutocracy and all the ---cracy stuff.

Ok now back to the topic

Nowdays it would seem that the world is living in a democracy. Wrong. Earth is now dominated currentl by a blatant plutocracy, that is, goverment of the merchants (of the rich/corporations in this case) All the important decisions in ths world are taken biases towards the interests of the rich countries, and behind the rich countries we have the rich industries. Very decision is taken to increase the profits of the mentioned, everything under the disguise of a neat, clean, but yet false democracy.

Yet, can we expect democracy to be able to really work on a socity as big as ours?

Well, now i want your thoughts on the ideal governing system

/me shivers and wait for the inevitable...

Andrew Hruska · October 26th, 2003

Oh no, not another discussion! We will all die from brain overloads and such!

The ideal governing system: Let super-advanced aged, wise humans and robots make a super-powerful, fair, governing system while we sit back and relax in our lazeboys. In other words: Just don't give a care?

**Kane** · October 26th, 2003

I think a partial democracy (I don't really have the right words for this) where only those who have been in the armed services can vote. That way only people willing to die for thier country are allowed to have a say in the running of it.

Andrew Hruska · October 26th, 2003

So, chickens that haven't been in the armed forces can't say of running it? This wouldn't exactly be fair, there are people who want to die for there country, but can't join the armed forces for lots of reasons.

Proto · October 26th, 2003

Well Kane, although such system have many pros, such as people who really care for their country being able to take place in the decisions, such system would be easily corrupted. Actually such system already existed in the past (in my country, mexico, during the XVII century, only soldiers were permited to vote). Such a system leaves all the power in the army.

And what andy said was true. There are many people who are not allowed in the army (physically limited people among others) but who could have many good ideas.

Yet the system idea could be good. Only those who have actually made something for their country can participate (not just the army though).

Andrew Hruska · October 26th, 2003

Now, how about this. We let smart, genious apes to control our world?

But on a *more serious* note..
We could have a more fair and equal system - all we need to do is eliminate the word "monopoly" from our world. We need more equality right now - so why not make some "poorer" people decide alot more then the monopolys/enterprises and companys like that? Right now it seems that all the companys are controlling us like ventriquist dummies. So somebody needs to fix that. We should control companys, or make them stop controlling us. Then something very good or very bad would happen. But who knows those?
Of course, this is coming from ME, a almost useless person. My thoughts should count and get cricitzed and stuff. So, what do you think about mine?

destructicator · October 26th, 2003

your vote does not matter anyway.
the president-non-elect of the united states whom is currently making a mockery of democracy wasn't even elected by the majority of americans. who wants to participate in that kind of system?
the whole thing is screwed beyond repair.

Andrew Hruska · October 26th, 2003

If our votes do not matter, then that's the first thing we should try to change.

Strider · October 26th, 2003

i prefer a socialistic democracy with a tad bit of constitutional monarchy (they wont have any power, its just that if we had an emperor or something it would sound cool

)

DB7 · October 26th, 2003

Dictatorship is by far the best form of Government out there, once an order is given its carried out, no me3ssing about with 2nd houses or courts.

The trouble is it's bloody impossible to find a benevolent Dictator.

Proto · October 26th, 2003

Still, I say that a democracy is hardly suitable for a population that is way too big. A big population means too many different ideas, which means way too many arguments for every problem, which means little or null resolutions in the end :/

Zapages · October 26th, 2003

A democratic Calphiate would be nice.

op3n_skill · October 26th, 2003

Communism-dictatorship is the best way to go....

the only problem would be a great leader..
Someone like Chairman Mao/Lenin..
And anything but Fidel Castro...

netghost2.0 · October 26th, 2003

Quote:

Originally Posted by op3n_skill

Communism-dictatorship is the best way to go....

the only problem would be a great leader..
Someone like Chairman Mao/Lenin..
And anything but Fidel Castro...

..................

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not since your statement is so ridiculously absurd. I suppose the millions of dead Chinese and Russians who died under the totalitarian regimes of Mao and Lenin would attest to their "great leadership abilities".

**_E_** · October 26th, 2003

I would say democracy. But again, no one has been carrying out democracy the way its supposed to be, including the US. Its not just about voting, but about rights. Some people dont have equal rights with each othre IMO.

Yours,
-Elly

op3n_skill · October 26th, 2003

I said "someone like", not "Another"....
comparing them to the emperors of china or stalin and the tzars..
They dont look "that" bad.....

Quark · October 26th, 2003

A semi-democracy. Have some sort of testing mechanism to decide how politically smart people are. Then, based off that test, have their votes count for a certain percentage.

The problem comes in having a fair, non-corrupt test and/or testors. I see nothing wrong with giving idiots less chance to influence decisions.

Proto · October 26th, 2003

Now i agree with that idea, yet, as you say, it would be diff to find non-biased testers. My best bet is to develope some reliable AI who could develop its own standards, according to human history, and who could apply the test in a fair way.

Regulus · October 27th, 2003

I think tyhe USA's system is pretty good. yea, it has its flaws and some corruption, but you really cant have a perfect government......

Exodus · October 27th, 2003

no known government works, you can only go by the idea behind it. they all have their advantages and disadvantages and sound nice, but it doesn't work because of all the corruption.

if anything, we should go back to the ancient greek democracy where the leaders only had a 1 year term, and with popular vote by the people, could be exiled for 10 years.

exile rocks.

October 26th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Posts: 5,581	Your ideas on: governing systems Well since people seem to have some headaches with the latest philosophy threads my next topic will be down to more practical grounds First of all lets make sure there is no confusion. We will try to talk about governing system, not exactly economical system. So no, communism and capitalism aint governing systems :P So you can choose between fascism, plutocracy and all the ---cracy stuff. Ok now back to the topic Nowdays it would seem that the world is living in a democracy. Wrong. Earth is now dominated currentl by a blatant plutocracy, that is, goverment of the merchants (of the rich/corporations in this case) All the important decisions in ths world are taken biases towards the interests of the rich countries, and behind the rich countries we have the rich industries. Very decision is taken to increase the profits of the mentioned, everything under the disguise of a neat, clean, but yet false democracy. Yet, can we expect democracy to be able to really work on a socity as big as ours? Well, now i want your thoughts on the ideal governing system /me shivers and wait for the inevitable... __________________

October 26th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
Andrew Hruska Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere Posts: 1,121	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Oh no, not another discussion! We will all die from brain overloads and such! The ideal governing system: Let super-advanced aged, wise humans and robots make a super-powerful, fair, governing system while we sit back and relax in our lazeboys. In other words: Just don't give a care?

October 26th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems I think a partial democracy (I don't really have the right words for this) where only those who have been in the armed services can vote. That way only people willing to die for thier country are allowed to have a say in the running of it. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

October 26th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
Andrew Hruska Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere Posts: 1,121	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems So, chickens that haven't been in the armed forces can't say of running it? This wouldn't exactly be fair, there are people who want to die for there country, but can't join the armed forces for lots of reasons.

October 26th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Posts: 5,581	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Well Kane, although such system have many pros, such as people who really care for their country being able to take place in the decisions, such system would be easily corrupted. Actually such system already existed in the past (in my country, mexico, during the XVII century, only soldiers were permited to vote). Such a system leaves all the power in the army. And what andy said was true. There are many people who are not allowed in the army (physically limited people among others) but who could have many good ideas. Yet the system idea could be good. Only those who have actually made something for their country can participate (not just the army though). __________________

October 26th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Hruska Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere Posts: 1,121	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Now, how about this. We let smart, genious apes to control our world? But on a more serious note.. We could have a more fair and equal system - all we need to do is eliminate the word "monopoly" from our world. We need more equality right now - so why not make some "poorer" people decide alot more then the monopolys/enterprises and companys like that? Right now it seems that all the companys are controlling us like ventriquist dummies. So somebody needs to fix that. We should control companys, or make them stop controlling us. Then something very good or very bad would happen. But who knows those? Of course, this is coming from ME, a almost useless person. My thoughts should count and get cricitzed and stuff. So, what do you think about mine?

October 26th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
destructicator old no. 7 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: brooklyn Posts: 66	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems your vote does not matter anyway. the president-non-elect of the united states whom is currently making a mockery of democracy wasn't even elected by the majority of americans. who wants to participate in that kind of system? the whole thing is screwed beyond repair. __________________ my specs: AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1.73Ghz 512MB PC2700 DDR333 RAM \| Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200RPM UltraATA Geforce FX5700 256MB \| Creative Labs 5.1 \| Logitech Z-640 5.1 140W Surround Sound Artec 16x DVD-ROM \| LiteOn 52X32X52 CDRW Windows XP Pro

October 26th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
Andrew Hruska Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere Posts: 1,121	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems If our votes do not matter, then that's the first thing we should try to change.

October 26th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
Strider Living Paradigm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,224	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems i prefer a socialistic democracy with a tad bit of constitutional monarchy (they wont have any power, its just that if we had an emperor or something it would sound cool ) __________________ My Deviant Art

October 26th, 2003	#10 (permalink)
DB7 Miserable Bugger Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 997	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Dictatorship is by far the best form of Government out there, once an order is given its carried out, no me3ssing about with 2nd houses or courts. The trouble is it's bloody impossible to find a benevolent Dictator.

October 26th, 2003	#11 (permalink)
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Posts: 5,581	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Still, I say that a democracy is hardly suitable for a population that is way too big. A big population means too many different ideas, which means way too many arguments for every problem, which means little or null resolutions in the end :/ __________________

October 26th, 2003	#12 (permalink)
Zapages Prince of Persia Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,099	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems A democratic Calphiate would be nice. __________________ Prince of Persia Legacy and Prince of Persia Gallery

October 26th, 2003	#13 (permalink)
op3n_skill Finally!! :D Join Date: May 2003 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,840	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Communism-dictatorship is the best way to go.... the only problem would be a great leader.. Someone like Chairman Mao/Lenin.. And anything but Fidel Castro... __________________ Member of "The Pessimistics Club"

October 26th, 2003	#15 (permalink)
_E_ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 8,639	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems I would say democracy. But again, no one has been carrying out democracy the way its supposed to be, including the US. Its not just about voting, but about rights. Some people dont have equal rights with each othre IMO. Yours, -Elly __________________ -= Now watching=-

October 26th, 2003	#16 (permalink)
op3n_skill Finally!! :D Join Date: May 2003 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,840	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems I said "someone like", not "Another".... comparing them to the emperors of china or stalin and the tzars.. They dont look "that" bad..... __________________ Member of "The Pessimistics Club"

October 26th, 2003	#17 (permalink)
Quark Has an extra GOTO 10 Line Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 250	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems A semi-democracy. Have some sort of testing mechanism to decide how politically smart people are. Then, based off that test, have their votes count for a certain percentage. The problem comes in having a fair, non-corrupt test and/or testors. I see nothing wrong with giving idiots less chance to influence decisions.

October 26th, 2003	#18 (permalink)
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Posts: 5,581	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems Now i agree with that idea, yet, as you say, it would be diff to find non-biased testers. My best bet is to develope some reliable AI who could develop its own standards, according to human history, and who could apply the test in a fair way. __________________

October 27th, 2003	#19 (permalink)
Regulus SEGA Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nebraska, U.S. Posts: 1,579	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems I think tyhe USA's system is pretty good. yea, it has its flaws and some corruption, but you really cant have a perfect government...... __________________ SEGA owns you http://www.exemu.net

October 27th, 2003	#20 (permalink)
Exodus Now the stars don't match Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Null Posts: 14,431	Re: Your ideas on: governing systems no known government works, you can only go by the idea behind it. they all have their advantages and disadvantages and sound nice, but it doesn't work because of all the corruption. if anything, we should go back to the ancient greek democracy where the leaders only had a 1 year term, and with popular vote by the people, could be exiled for 10 years. exile rocks. __________________ No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

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