3 Questions and a Muslim scholar.

Syed Fawad · March 9th, 2003

Heard this a while ago. Sorry for some rough translation:

Quote:

There was a young man who went overseas to study for quite a long time. When he returned, he asked his parents to find him a religious scholar or any expert who could answer his 3 questions. Finally, his parents were able to find a Muslim scholar.

> Young man: Who are you? Can you answer my questions?

> Scholar: I am one of Allah's slaves and insha-Allah (God willing), I will be able to answer your questions.

> Young man : Are you sure? A lot of Professors and experts were not able to answer my questions.

> Scholar: I will try my best, with the help of Allah(SubHana Wa Ta`ala ).

> Young Man: I have 3 questions:

> 1. Does God exist? If so, show me His shape.
> 2. What is takdir (fate)?
> 3. If shaitan (Devil, Satan) was created from the fire, why at the end he will be thrown to hell that also created from fire. It certainly will not hurt him at all, since Shaitan (Devil) and the hell were created from fire. Did God not think of it this far?

> Suddenly, the Scholar slapped the young man's face very hard.

> Young Man (feeling pain): Why do you get angry at me?

> Scholar: I am not angry. The slap is my answer to your three questions.

> Young Man: I really don't understand.

> Scholar: How do you feel after I slapped you?

> Young Man: Of course, I felt the pain.

> Scholar: So do you believe that pain exists?
>
> Young Man: Of course.

> Scholar: Show me the shape of the pain!

> Young Man: I cannot.

> Scholar: That is my first answer. All of us feel God's existence without being able to see His shape.

> Scholar: Last night, did you dream that you will be slapped by me?

> Young Man: No.

> Scholar: Did you ever think that you will get a slap from me, today?

> Young Man: No.

> Scholar: That is takdir (fate).

> Scholar: My hand that I used to slap you, what is it created from?

> Young Man: It is created from skin.

> Scholar: How about your face, what is it created from?
>
> Young Man: Skin.
>
> Scholar: How do you feel after I slapped you?

> Young Man: In pain.

> Scholar: Even though Shaitan (Devil) and also the hell were created from the fire, if Allah wants, insha-Allah (God willing), the hell will become a very painful place for Shaitan (Devil).

> We must all rise above the few cultural differences that separate us and try our best to educate one another.
>

Don't go slapping around everybody

Opinions appreciated.

Macaijah · March 9th, 2003

That's very clever--I like that.

**Kane** · March 9th, 2003

It's a very clever way of answering the questions. Guy isn't a scholar for nothing.

Hanamichi · March 9th, 2003

Not bad. I'd probably tell him to shut it if I were asked these questions.

Boltzmann · March 9th, 2003

Greetings,

Although I don't agree with the answers they're certainly clever (and he has done it in way to prevent refutations). A good stoty nonetheless.

EDIT: Sorry, I really mean STORY (forgive me this error)

Live long and prosper.

Macaijah · March 9th, 2003

What's a stoty? Did you mean story?

Recca · March 9th, 2003

Hey Fawad, that was really interessting.
Thanx for posting that, i will prolly show this to my family

Syed Fawad · March 10th, 2003

No doubt preachers are interesting ppl to talk to. I have another story at hand, but it is in my mind in complete URDU and I need heavy translation. So I'll post it when I am in the mood.

Valeron · March 10th, 2003

Very interesting , btw..which country are u from Fawad? u seemed to learn malay too?

fonzieahmed · March 10th, 2003

very cool fawad!!!

Syed Fawad · March 10th, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by valeron
Very interesting , btw..which country are u from Fawad? u seemed to learn malay too?

Though I am Pakistani and living in Pakistan for a few years, I had grown up and learnt much in Saudi Arabia.

No, I have no freakin' clue about Malay

Valeron · March 10th, 2003

oh ok..
btw...devil it spelled as SYAITAN in my country..
same pronoucation but differrent writings...

Janus · March 10th, 2003

Thats...a moral sotry huh. More on faith....
Where did you find that story fawad?

Syed Fawad · March 10th, 2003

Quite similar pronounciation in English: Satan.

poloy · March 10th, 2003

ur a very religious man fawad. the world needs more people like you. even if ur just posting a message u r still helping in proving God's undeniable presence

Gamer1 · March 10th, 2003

>>ur a very religious man fawad. the world needs more people like you

IMO... religion slows the progress of man. my religion takes a back seat when it comes to logic.

**_E_** · March 10th, 2003

That a very nicy story indeed. I think you should post it whenever someone starts debating about god's existance

Boltzmann · March 11th, 2003

Greetings,

GAMER1 is right, religion cannot be an excuse for not thinking. But I like the story anyway, because the arguments are solid, and as consistent as such metaphysical matters can be (and it also shows a reasonable mode of reasoning).

As I have no religion myself I'm very imparcial about these matters.

Live long and prosper.

Kraelis · March 11th, 2003

I don't see how religion can take a back seat to logic. Religion has a logic of its own. Otherwise, it would just be chaos, right?

poloy: Well... it's not exactly a proof of God's existence...

fujita · March 11th, 2003

I did heard story like this before, but I think it was a little bit different. The first question was answered with the scholar mentioning about wind. Wind or air has no shape, but we can feel it and we know it exist. Though I didn't remember about the other questions.

valeron : Fawad is a Muslim who lives in Pakistan. You may be mistaken because some of the words he used are the same as in Malay, because those words are not Malay's but in Arabic as stated and used in Islam. For example, "Insha-Allah" (spelled Insya Allah in M'sia, although the pronounciation is the same). This coincidences is not because of similarity in races and languages, but because of similarity in religion.

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	It's a very clever way of answering the questions. Guy isn't a scholar for nothing. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Boltzmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 7,649	Greetings, Although I don't agree with the answers they're certainly clever (and he has done it in way to prevent refutations). A good stoty nonetheless. EDIT: Sorry, I really mean STORY (forgive me this error) Live long and prosper. __________________ "The Improved Man will be a king over you. And give women their dowries as appointed." - Anders Sandberg The Hell Law says that Hell is reserved exclusively for them that believe in it. Further, the lowest Rung in Hell is reserved for them that believe in it on the supposition that they'll go there if they don't. - HBT; The Gospel According to Fred, 3:1 - The Principia Discordia BTW, Don't Forget to Desecrate your Quran. Last edited by Boltzmann; March 9th, 2003 at 17:53.

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Recca Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Where ever fate shall lead me. Posts: 3,946	Hey Fawad, that was really interessting. Thanx for posting that, i will prolly show this to my family __________________ この世に悪があるとすれば、それは人の心だ。エドワ-ド・D・モリスン

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,261	No doubt preachers are interesting ppl to talk to. I have another story at hand, but it is in my mind in complete URDU and I need heavy translation. So I'll post it when I am in the mood. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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Valeron Breathe Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kuala Lumpur , Malaysia Posts: 1,378	Very interesting , btw..which country are u from Fawad? u seemed to learn malay too? __________________ Pentium 4 2.4ghz , Gigabyte GA-8SR533P motherboard , Apacer 512 DDR266 Ram , MSI GF4 Ti4200 , Sound Blaster Live! Audigy DE , 60gb Maxtor Hard Disk , SONY 40x CD 16x DVD Rom ,SONY 8x/4x/32x Burner ,19" 300lbs Colour Monitor , Altec-Lansing Speaker , Proton Putra 1.8 EXi :guitar:

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Macaijah \| Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 160	That's very clever--I like that.

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Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,562	Not bad. I'd probably tell him to shut it if I were asked these questions.

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Macaijah \| Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 160	What's a stoty? Did you mean story?

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fonzieahmed Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 39	very cool fawad!!! __________________ AYE!!!

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Valeron Breathe Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kuala Lumpur , Malaysia Posts: 1,378	oh ok.. btw...devil it spelled as SYAITAN in my country.. same pronoucation but differrent writings... __________________ Pentium 4 2.4ghz , Gigabyte GA-8SR533P motherboard , Apacer 512 DDR266 Ram , MSI GF4 Ti4200 , Sound Blaster Live! Audigy DE , 60gb Maxtor Hard Disk , SONY 40x CD 16x DVD Rom ,SONY 8x/4x/32x Burner ,19" 300lbs Colour Monitor , Altec-Lansing Speaker , Proton Putra 1.8 EXi :guitar:

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Janus Memories are all I have.. Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In my memories... Posts: 423	Thats...a moral sotry huh. More on faith.... Where did you find that story fawad? __________________ When the pages of the book of my life ends. You'll be the most colourful chapter i ever had. If it'll be open again, i'll start with the moment i knew you. [sig=390]

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,261	Quite similar pronounciation in English: Satan. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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poloy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: in front of the pc Posts: 18	ur a very religious man fawad. the world needs more people like you. even if ur just posting a message u r still helping in proving God's undeniable presence

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,237	>>ur a very religious man fawad. the world needs more people like you IMO... religion slows the progress of man. my religion takes a back seat when it comes to logic. __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

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_E_ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 8,590	That a very nicy story indeed. I think you should post it whenever someone starts debating about god's existance __________________ -= Now watching=-

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Boltzmann Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 7,649	Greetings, GAMER1 is right, religion cannot be an excuse for not thinking. But I like the story anyway, because the arguments are solid, and as consistent as such metaphysical matters can be (and it also shows a reasonable mode of reasoning). As I have no religion myself I'm very imparcial about these matters. Live long and prosper. __________________ "The Improved Man will be a king over you. And give women their dowries as appointed." - Anders Sandberg The Hell Law says that Hell is reserved exclusively for them that believe in it. Further, the lowest Rung in Hell is reserved for them that believe in it on the supposition that they'll go there if they don't. - HBT; The Gospel According to Fred, 3:1 - The Principia Discordia BTW, Don't Forget to Desecrate your Quran.

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Kraelis Fallen Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Moonlight Spire Posts: 1,393	I don't see how religion can take a back seat to logic. Religion has a logic of its own. Otherwise, it would just be chaos, right? poloy: Well... it's not exactly a proof of God's existence... __________________ --KrÆlis Cross Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur =============== Athlon 64 x2 3800\| Asrock ALiveNF6G-VSTA \| Kingston DDR2 1 Gb RAM Last edited by Kraelis; March 12th, 2003 at 06:03.

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fujita Tiger of Jiang Dong Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inter Galactic & Dimensional Center Posts: 964	I did heard story like this before, but I think it was a little bit different. The first question was answered with the scholar mentioning about wind. Wind or air has no shape, but we can feel it and we know it exist. Though I didn't remember about the other questions. valeron : Fawad is a Muslim who lives in Pakistan. You may be mistaken because some of the words he used are the same as in Malay, because those words are not Malay's but in Arabic as stated and used in Islam. For example, "Insha-Allah" (spelled Insya Allah in M'sia, although the pronounciation is the same). This coincidences is not because of similarity in races and languages, but because of similarity in religion. __________________ Elly taught us that sometimes sacrifices only lead to more suffering. Aribeth taught us that sometimes the public don't deserve protection. Jeane taught us how important to respect the privacy of others. SOR PROJECT : WHERE EVERYTHING IS REAL

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