Remembering the crew of Shuttle Columbia

[Sanhime]

"'Give me a challenge and I'll meet it with joy'...they
prepared for the journey and waved goodbye and 'slipped the surly bonds of earth' to 'touch the face of God.'"
-Ronald Reagan

Rest in Peace

[zrepiV]

yeah... condolences to all the relatives that these astronauts had. rest in peace crew of columbia...

anyway, i don't like the fact that these people are being called heroes. i find that a way of sucking up. why call them heroes? why call them anything? they died, and they died, that's it. let them die as astronauts, astronauts that had a little chance of survival. like i said before, rest in peace...

[OK-OK]

Poor people, but dont forget, 7 died in a shuttle but 100s just died cuz of hunger.

[Sanhime]

Originally posted by OK-OK
Poor people, but dont forget, 7 died in a shuttle but 100s just died cuz of hunger.

No offense OK-OK, but that was probably the most mindless thing you've just said, becuase it points to nothing of relevance in the context of this thread.

But thats ok, maybe when you get older, you'll understand there is more to living a "life" than measuring it in numbers. :eyes:

If it helps you, there is a purpose for why I shared that quote from Ronald Reagan. There is a moral to that quote, or as they say: "moral of the story". Think about it.

Originally posted by zrepiV
why call them heroes?

Think about mothers, fathers, doctors, scientists, teachers, academics, and more...there are people who always gave themselves so that others can succeed.

[Kamina]

I agree, it's quite sad... Not only the human tragedy but it's quite a blow to future space ventures. I wonder what affect this will have on any of NASA's previous plans on a manned mission to mars?

Oh, and just to rile you up sanhime... Please, no more reagan quotes

[Sanhime]

Originally posted by Kamina
I agree, it's quite sad... Not only the human tragedy but it's quite a blow to future space ventures. I wonder what affect this will have on any of NASA's previous plans on a manned mission to mars?

Oh, and just to rile you up sanhime... Please, no more reagan quotes

Oregon, eh? Figures. :fingers:

Let me guess, you probably consider Carter or Clinton :rockets: as the greatest President ever.

I see you were more concern about where the quote originated, rather than meaning of the quote itself. (gotcha!)

[Kamina]

Gimme a little credit, I'm more a Nixon sort of guy. Compared to clinton, nixon had a real vision for the country and a significant amount of ethics. Not to mention a great deal of chutspah

Ahem... let's try to leave it at that. If you want to add more to our tirade, just pm me or we'll end up cheapening the whole purpose for this in the first place.

[Prafull]

Originally posted by zrepiV
anyway, i don't like the fact that these people are being called heroes. i find that a way of sucking up. why call them heroes? why call them anything? they died, and they died, that's it. let them die as astronauts

They died for a reason ,they died for THE SCIENCE. They were not working there for themselves, they were working for the whole mankind. You ever wondered why soldiers are called heroes ? coz they work for their mankind, they risk their lives for the mankind. similarly these astronauts (and I am not including those who are millionaires and paying for their visits) are risking their lives for development of science i.e. for the welfare of whole mankind.

They are definitely HEROES.

[OK-OK]

Poor africans, never even got the chance of thinking of becoming a hero...

[Shiori]

Originally posted by Prafull
You ever wondered why soldiers are called heroes ? coz they work for their mankind, they risk their lives for the mankind.

Soldiers don't die "for mankind", they die for their country.

Anyway, I just think it's plain bad luck. No need to glorify an freak accident like that and call the shuttle's occupants as "heroes". Lots of people have died doing more extraordinary deeds with no more notice than a tiny spot in a paper's obituary section. It just so happened they died in a space shuttle, that's why they became high-profile "heroes" all of a sudden.

A space shuttle has to be one of the safest vehicles made by man, with layers upon layers of fail-safe devices in case of any emergency. It's just that the odds of something bad happening, no matter how remote, caught up with them... and that's all there is to it. **** happens all the time.

[OK-OK]

7 teenagers died in canada cuz of an avalanche and guess what? no1 cares about it. how are they different from the astronauts? we're all human, they should all get the same respect.

[Betamax]

Well I have to disagree on the safety issue. If you compare the accident/usage ratio, the safest form of machanical travel is by plane, followed by trains. The shuttle is actually statistically the most dangerous, even worse than an automobile. If your average car had the same safety ratio, then your'd be dead within 2 months of purchasing it.

Anyways a loss to mankind.: Definately. A tragedy: most certainly and I have to feel for their families. But heroes I am not too sure.

[OK-OK]

Originally posted by Betamax
Anyways a loss to mankind.: Definately. A tragedy: most certainly and I have to feel for their families. But heroes I am not too sure. [/b]

I second that... most of them probably had a happ family.

But, space shuttles are very safe, there about 2% chance of dying when flying in a space ships.

[doggieiscool]

hmm.. very sad.. i really feel for the israeli naut's father.. in israel, they had a special show for him and his father practically watched it unfold with his own eyes.. may they all rest in piece

[Carmofin]

remembering those people?
im sorry, but why should i?
it is just a bunch of strangers.
they are not more heroes then the family father who dies in a car accident while type this, or the one who dies while you read this.
the only difference is that those astronauts KNEW they were doing a dangerous job!
im sorry, but every day things happen that are more tragic about a thousand times and i dont see anyone of you being sad about those.

[Sanhime]

Ok, this is getting a little out of hand. This thread suppose to be a simple tribute to the crew of Shuttle Columbia. However there are people here who do not have the brains to share the common respect of courtesy. Instead now there are people with one-dimensional thinking interjecting subliminal messages of their narrow-mind political idealogy or anything else hat is not relevant to this thread.

And I will say this up front, there are people here who are blantantly stupid in what they say, whether it is intentional or not.

I did NOT put up this thread to be forum for ANYONE'S IDEALOGY, nor for anyone's disrespect for the quality of "life", let alone not understanding the "life" granted.

OK-OK, do you have any clue of the premises you are interjecting, relative to the theme of this thread? And how both contradicting and disrespectful it is?

That's twice already!

Originally posted by OK-OK
7 teenagers died in canada cuz of an avalanche and guess what? no1 cares about it. how are they different from the astronauts? we're all human, they should all get the same respect.

I'm still waiting for you to make the "moral equivalence" convicted death-roll murderers and serial killers.

Originally posted by OK-OK
But, space shuttles are very safe, there about 2% chance of dying when flying in a space ships.

"Safe" is a relative term, space shuttles are only as good as the people that take care of them. Don't make it sound like as if it's as simple as taking care of a car.

Originally posted by Carmofin
they are not more heroes then the family father who dies in a car accident

Altruism

That's exactly why people want to remember them, but also for doctors, scientists, teachers, parents, fire fighters, police officers, and more. It's because of the attitude of most people,they take life and the people/things around them for granted. Every individual, from the parent to the noble prize receiptient all share a common aspiration, which is to do good for the benefit of future generations. Life is fullfilled and lived to those who aspire, seek, pursue, and challenge.

No one is forcing anyone to remember them. This has nothing to do with "should". Some may not call these people "heroes", but for other people, it sure come close to being one.


OK-OK, Carmofin: Here's a little example to help you two: There is a reason why we have "eulogies" for those who pass away.

[Carmofin]

the space shuttle was perfectly alright, it was the rocket that had problems and damaged a wing of the shuttle.

[_E_]

hmmm,.....as for the hereo's stuff.......Its up to you to choose that, I will keep my comments to myself

As for the main topic. Yes, my condolences to the families of those who died. May they rest in peace..

[Sanhime]

Originally posted by Kamina
Gimme a little credit, I'm more a Nixon sort of guy. Compared to clinton, nixon had a real vision for the country and a significant amount of ethics. Not to mention a great deal of chutspah

Ahem... let's try to leave it at that. If you want to add more to our tirade, just pm me or we'll end up cheapening the whole purpose for this in the first place.

Eew, Nixon? LOL, no probs!

Just FYI, the quote I just shared was a paraphrased quote in Reagan's address in the Challenger tragedy. I sought to used this quote because it seemed respectly appropriate.

I'm more than confident that NASA space exploration policies will continue on. It'd be kind of stupid to put a halt on the entire thing over thjis incident.

[Sanhime]

Originally posted by Kingstar
hmmm,.....as for the hereo's stuff.......Its up to you to choose that, I will keep my comments to myself

As for the main topic. Yes, my condolences to the families of those who died. May they rest in peace..

Yes, as for the "heroes" issue. That is and should only be left to the individual since a "hero" can come in all shapes and sizes.

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For the rest of you guys, what is up with this "hero" stuff? I never mention anything about heroism in the first place. If you guys are refering to the news, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! There is no need to insert your personal or political idealogy.

This thread was meant to be a simple tribute, let just keep it that way.