Female Circumcision.

[koko-goal]

Sadly, I've read that people in Africa are keep doing circumcision for girls and that's made me make this thread to see your opinion about female circumcision.

Circumcision is a great thing for males, but isn't for females at all. Why?
Read this :

Other serious long term health effects are also common. These include urinary and reproductive tract infections, caused by obstructed flow of urine and menstrual blood, various forms of scarring and infertility. Epidermal inclusion cysts may form and expand, particularly in procedures affecting the clitoris. These cysts can grow over time and can become infected, requiring medical attention such as drainage.[42] The first episode of sexual intercourse will often be extremely painful for infibulated women, who will need the labia majora to be opened, to allow their partner access to the vagina. This second cut, sometimes performed by the partner with a knife, can cause other complications to arise.

Female genital cutting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it's a great protection for males, how?
Read this :

Penile cancer

The American Cancer Society (2006) stated, "The current consensus of most experts is that circumcision should not be recommended as a prevention strategy for penile cancer."[182]

The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated that studies suggest that neonatal circumcision confers some protection from penile cancer, but circumcision at a later age does not seem to confer the same level of protection. Further, because penile cancer is a rare disease, the risk of penile cancer developing in an uncircumcised man, although increased compared with a circumcised man, remains low.[60]

The age-adjusted annual incidence of penile cancer is 0.82 per 100,000 in Denmark, 2.9-6.8 per 100,000 in Brazil, 0.9 to 1 per 100,000 in the USA, and 2.0-10.5 per 100,000 in India.[60] Researchers have reported that the risk of penile cancer is greater in never-circumcised men than in men who had been circumcised at birth; estimates of the relative risk include 3[183] and 22.[184]

Don't forget to do circumcision for your sons

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by koko-goal

Circumcision is a great thing for males

WTF. No it's not. Mutilate your own junk if you want to, leave mine alone.

Don't forget to do circumcision for your sons

Because there's not enough child abuse in the world?

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Hmm, I don't feel abused........

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[snickothemule]

circumcision for blokes is A-OK in my books, its just skin after all, not as if the end of your knob is removed.

As for the lady's, disgusting practice and one that should definitely be stopped.

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[Irukapooka]

I heard that they did female circumcision to also make sure that they will be virgins until they are married and then to also give the males more pleasure when they have sex with the circumcised females. I think they sew them up after they circumcise them but I forgot. It's a horrible practice because it hurts the female for the rest of her life.

Btw, let's not have an all out full blown war because some people don't see what's wrong with circumcision and for others, some people don't like it. They're opinions, people. Let's not crucify people for their own opinions. And let's just focus on the topic.

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I know I don't have the right to say that kind of stuff, but I just don't like the fact that some people have to tear off the other person's head off because they have the opposite opinion. >.<

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by snickothemule

circumcision for blokes is A-OK in my books, its just skin after all,

Taking it off causes a large decrease in sensitivity and possible urethra problems. I don't think it should be legal for any parent to elect to perform this procedure on their child. Once you're an adult, if you still want to voluntarily cut a piece of yourself off then go right ahead. But how many adults do you see doing this? What does that tell you?

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[snickothemule]

I disagree about the sensitivity, and having the skin removed reduces the chances for infection of that area, plus it is easier to keep clean. There are health benefits to being circumcised, but just like any operation if your doctor's fists are made of ham then there is a chance that any alteration can go sour.

Its no where near as bad as it is made out to be and I feel that parents should have the ability to make this decision. If you disagree that's fine, but male circumcision is nothing to really get the pitchforks out for.

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When circumcisions go extremely wrong

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Its not bad at all trust me. I had to undergo it due to some surgery i underwent. Trust me makes u fell more manly

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Naix he has a mac, do you really need to make his life worse?

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

When circumcisions go extremely wrong

yeh thats a very sad story.

*but*, its very confusing to me how you can damage a penis that much during circumcision.
the doctors must've been horrible.

even 2000 years ago people were able to give circumcisions w/o the technology we have today; so its pretty epic fail (and sad for the child) for the doctors to make such a mistake...


anyways, i think if done right circumcision for males is generally a good thing as it helps prevent infections.
this is also might be a reason why the Christian Bible (and other religious texts) promote circumcision (as a way to reduce infection during a time where the people were most-likely not so cleanly)

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Originally Posted by Spyhop

Taking it off causes a large decrease in sensitivity and possible urethra problems. I don't think it should be legal for any parent to elect to perform this procedure on their child. Once you're an adult, if you still want to voluntarily cut a piece of yourself off then go right ahead. But how many adults do you see doing this? What does that tell you?

I agree with you man, to me it should be a decision of an adult who can reason what's best. Circumcision out of religious reasons should be banned in any case. If there's medical reasons it's a whole other deal, then it falls under the parents' responsibility to take good care of their children.

As for women, there's only one word for it: Barbaric. It's sad that they have to mutilate their women out of the idea that they should be subjected to men in every single way. Some parts of this world could definitely use a bit of renaissance in their medieval culture.

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ALL Circumcision reduces sensitivity to some extent as the glans rubs against the fabric of the underwear and toughens up.

ALL Circumcisin decreases the max full size of the penis, permanently.

Circumcision does not prevent STD's.

Women who have experienced Circ, vs Uncirc prefer UnCirc.

The majority of circumsion is done WRONG, they remove to much of the forskin and permanently damage the penis.

Circumsion can cause Brain damage, heart failure, stroke, Asphyxiation, simply by being performed.

The penis, and foreskin are highly sensitive area's. Only the foolish believe that it will not harm an infant, because they won't remember it. Any sudden removal of a high sensitive appendage can cause the body to go into shock, and shut down.


Numerous circumcision deaths have happened in the past year, many of them were covered up by the hospitals and applications involved via their secondary cause of death, as listed above.

I consider any parent who circumcises to be a barbarian, and I will treat them as such.

I doubt any of you have the stones to actually get through the circumcision video that is going around the web atm to promote the prevention of Cicumcision.

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[snickothemule]

wow, the last guy certainly raises some important points about circumcision, most of which I had never heard of before.

I personally have never had any permanent trauma or had any negative impact on me due to the circumcision, but then again I am only speaking from personal expererience. Certainly has altered my perception on the practice of circumcision (doing it as early as 8 days seems horrifically early).

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btw whats the religious theory for circumcision??......just asking....

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Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

I consider any parent who circumcises to be a barbarian, and I will treat them as such.

Uhhhhh..............

Do you mean most muslims and jew's by that ?



As for the religious theory, i have no clue. Maybe it has something to do with Mohammed having a accident at one time, i dont know. Dont flame me on it ppl.

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[shafeen]

Its a sunnat(act of prophet).....it aint in KORAN i guess(as far as i know )......kok0/gamefreak can throw more light on it.........

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[koko-goal]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

WTF. No it's not. Mutilate your own junk if you want to, leave mine alone.
Because there's not enough child abuse in the world?

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Circumcision of males represents a surgical "vaccine" against a wide variety of infections, adverse medical conditions and potentially fatal diseases over their lifetime, and also protects their sexual partners. In experienced hands, this common, inexpensive procedure is very safe, can be pain-free and can be performed at any age. The benefits vastly outweigh risks. The enormous public health benefits include protection from urinary tract infections, sexually transmitted HIV, HPV, syphilis and chancroid, penile and prostate cancer, phimosis, thrush, and inflammatory dermatoses. In women circumcision of the male partner provides substantial protection from cervical cancer and chlamydia. Circumcision has socio-sexual benefits and reduces sexual problems with age. It has no adverse effect on penile sensitivity, function, or sensation during sexual arousal. Most women prefer the circumcised penis for appearance, hygiene and sex. Given the convincing epidemiological evidence and biological support, routine circumcision should be highly recommended by all health professionals

CIRCUMCISION: An Evidence-Based Appraisal

Originally Posted by Irukapooka

I heard that they did female circumcision to also make sure that they will be virgins until they are married and then to also give the males more pleasure when they have sex with the circumcised females. I think they sew them up after they circumcise them but I forgot. It's a horrible practice because it hurts the female for the rest of her life.

*hides under blanket and goes to make cookies*

I know I don't have the right to say that kind of stuff, but I just don't like the fact that some people have to tear off the other person's head off because they have the opposite opinion. >.<

Nope. You have the right to say this, you're our beauty queen

The majority of circumsion is done WRONG, they remove to much of the forskin and permanently damage the penis.

People do that before the BC and they still do it wrongly in your country?....funny.

Squall, my parents circumcised mine and I still have my brain and my good healthy, thanks to Allah in anyways.

Originally Posted by shafeen

Its a sunnat(act of prophet).....it aint in KORAN i guess(as far as i know )......kok0/gamefreak can throw more light on it.........

The traditional cultural practices of FGC predate Christianity and Islam. A Greek papyrus from 163 B.C. mentions girls in Egypt undergoing circumcision and it is widely accepted to have originated in Egypt and the Nile valley at the time of the Pharaohs. Evidence from mummies have shown both Type I and Type III FGC present.[41] (Note that the earliest evidence of male circumcision is also from Ancient Egypt.)

Most Muslims reject this practice in its entirety, however it remains a tradition within certain countries which was not entirely overcome by the arrival of Christianity and Islam. A lack of religious education among these people leads them to mistakenly believe this ancient tribal practice is a religious observance.

UNICEF reports that:

"... Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, the highest religious authority in Egypt, issued a statement saying FGM/C has no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions and that it is harmful and should not be practiced." In fact, this pre-Islamic barbarity runs contrary to the Islamic tenet which dictates that a man should make sure his wife enjoys their lovemaking.

Coptic Pope Shenouda, the leader of Egypt's minority Christian community, said that neither the Quran nor the Bible demand or mention female circumcision.

[deamonhunter]

1- to answer shafeen question ; its a sunna , but in releigion you have many sources of regulations , and the The Prophet Muhammed ecouraged this act ( male circ ) . so we do it

2- as for female circ , its not related to Islam , its the tradition of local Africans , I guess since its most comon in africa , south Egypt even , and Sudan ,

3 -To coment on Bree "To make sure that they will be virgins until they are married" thats not it , from what i've heard is that they cut a chunk of the Clit and parts of the labia (which is a very sesitive sexually ) so that she doesnt get easily stimulated by the slightest movements or touching , so she wont go out and seek sex , this is their logic , i dont approve it , ok Plastic surgery for the girls with Huge clits is Ok , most guys dont like a girl with a little penis , but hey for each his own


as for male circumsison , its cleaner to cut the forskin of , and we live in a socity that has been doing it for a long time now , its healthy and the only complication might come from non sanitary procedures , and we never had proplems with breast feeding unless the mother had small ones that dont give enough milk .

and we do it between the age of 4 months to 1 year max , so no psycological trauma from being mutilated or disfugred , it only makes the kid cry for 2 days , but the infant cries for 2 years anyway .

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Surgery is 'man-made' anyways,

For certain things I prefer 'natural';
for instance, human body.

I'd avoid surgery if it is not necessary.
If we are evolved to have this form, then there's a meaning for each part of our body.
Why remove certain parts due to some man-made theories?

Religion or not, it's funny how religion is against science,
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Originally Posted by shafeen

Its a sunnat(act of prophet).....it aint in KORAN i guess(as far as i know )......kok0/gamefreak can throw more light on it.........

Certain Islamic historians believe, and preach that the Qu'ran does infact, NOT dictate the requirement for circumcision, this is rather preached by individual sects of the faith and is very much frowned upon by Islamic doctors.

CIRCUMCISION IS INFACT DIRTIER, THAN UNCIRCED.

The Glans, and Foreskin are self cleaning precipices, and are more prone to infection by the removal of the protective skin and oils that cover the glans.

BIOLOGY 101 kids, our skin is our biggest protection against infection. Removing even a part of it is begging for trouble.

Penile hygiene in the intact non-circumcised male

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