Tantrum 911

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Irukapooka

I hope you never have children.

Did I say this stuff was a good idea? No. I explicity said it was stupid didn't I. I simply object to this asinine practice half the population has with calling everything a damn drug.

If this stuff enters your system and reacts with it, altering your body chemistry, THEN it's a drug. If it simply cause your brain to react via simple stimulus then it's not a drug, it's external stimuli. Calling it a drug paves the way for *******s like Jack Thompson to claim video games are a drug, since they produce similar effects.

Originally Posted by Irukapooka

Besides, laughing is natural.

Singing is natural.

Smelling is natural.

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[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Don't sing to your kids if they're upset. It produces a chemicals reaction in their brains.
Don't make them laugh.
Don't ever give them a candy.

A smell is just another form of stimulus. Your only hangup is that it's chemical. Well so what, so is everything. That stuff could be nothing more than mild perfume.
Like I said, using that **** as an emotional crutch is dumb. But you're all carrying on like it's ****ing blow or something.

Okay spyhop stop.

There is a danger in introducing foreign chemical to the brain. Remember what you were telling me about your experience with long term use of caffeine, the dependance and long term nasty effects. And remember my thread about ritalin, how much it destroyed my life, and i've had to rebuild myself, and in which pretty much every member who took long term it and posted acknowledged that it messed them up.


Now man, its not that hard of a leap in critical thinking to understand that that if alcohol were ever put into a potent spray form, and people inhaled this alcohol spray that the negative consequences would be similar to drinking beer. One would obviously make the alcohol more pure then the 5% labatts we drink at the bar, since only a limited quantity would be inhaled. Now imagine if 60% alcohol were put into spray form. You could imagine someone inhaling the spray, particularily someone with a smaller body weight would get effects similar to drinking alcohol.

Stop and realize that this chemical regardless if oyu call it a perfume is very potent. If its can drastically alter children's behavior immediately then it must be quite potent. Potent in effecting the dopamine neurotransmitter systems.

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[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Did I say this stuff was a good idea? No. I explicity said it was stupid didn't I. I simply object to this asinine practice half the population has with calling everything a damn drug.

If this stuff enters your system and reacts with it, altering your body chemistry, THEN it's a drug. If it simply cause your brain to react via simple stimulus then it's not a drug, it's external stimuli. Calling it a drug paves the way for *******s like Jack Thompson to claim video games are a drug, since they produce similar effects.



Smelling is natural.

stimulant (drug) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

stimulant
drug
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any drug that excites any bodily function, but more specifically those that stimulate the brain and central nervous system. Stimulants induce alertness, elevated mood, wakefulness, increased speech and motor activity and decrease appetite. Their therapeutic use is limited, but their mood-elevating effects make some of them potent drugs of abuse.

stimulant is still a drug, OMFG!

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[Irukapooka]

Wow Spyhop, you took the words out of my mouth! You are catching on! Sorry, I must joke about this so I don't flip out too badly on you since I've already had a very ****ty night. ^_^

Yes, normal things that are taken in excess can cause addictive and drug like behaviors (like your example, video games).

Yes, smelling is natural but smelling a drug isn't.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

okay spyhop stop.

There is a danger in introducing foreign chemical to the brain.

As far as I understood that website, this is a simple odor. Pretty much just aromatheropy. I explicity asked if this **** had narcotic properties, because that would be a different story. But if this is just a smell, then it's not like sniffing coke.

Originally Posted by Fadingz

stimulant is still a drug, OMFG!

yeah man, I go into the bakery and take a big whiff all the time. My family had an intervention for me last week.

Yes, stimulANTS are drugs. StimuLI can be anything. Touch, taste, smell, sight, sound. Stimuli isn't drugs.

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[Fadingz]

if it was just a smell then it wouldn't calm people down >.>

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[Irukapooka]

Geez, Spyhop. You are just reading the website and trusting what they say? Of course they are only going to advertise good things on their website. This is a business and they need to make money.

If you did some research, you would maybe start to understand why everyone else here is freaking out about this DRUG.

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[DefianceofGod]

I'm going to sum up this thread.

Tantrum 911 is a nasal spray that "re-boots" children. The long term effect of this may not be known, it may cause damage.
-- Sounds like a drug to me.

Spyhop either has his head shoved so far up his ass, its coming out his mouth, or he's a complete idiot.
-- Sounds like a fail troll.

That's just my objective observation.

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[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

As far as I understood that website, this is a simple odor. Pretty much just aromatheropy. I explicity asked if this **** had narcotic properties, because that would be a different story. But if this is just a smell, then it's not like sniffing coke.



yeah man, I go into the bakery and take a big whiff all the time. My family had an intervention for me last week.

Yes, stimulANTS are drugs. StimuLI can be anything. Touch, taste, smell, sight, sound.

Do you understand the concept of smelling, like how you smell?
How can a substance you smell be called 'stimulus'?

Do youself a favor, go to the libary and search in all biology/psychology literature until the definition of 'stimulus' is pellucid to you.

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[Cheesus]

I'm going to have to agree with Spyhop here... And then take it a step further.

Tantrums extend further then in infants. I clearly remember seeing an 8 year old screaming and yelling madly in the middle of a supermarket, lost in a tantrum. Naturally, his mother had absolutely no idea how to deal with him. The boy made such a mess of the store, that the staff actually had to escort the mother and son out of the store. It was a mess of a situation, and based of the mother's reaction, it wasn't the first time this had happened.

It may turn out that dealing with this child's desire for the smell will be much easier to manage then his erratic behaviour. Consider it the lesser of two demons.

If this stuff is given on prescription, to the right people, it could have the same effect as arm-bands do to children learning how to swim. An aide.

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Originally Posted by TheCloudOfSmoke

"Save the balls, save the world."

[Irukapooka]

Well, it's not a prescription. And people that could freaking teach their children won't. Only because they're freaking lazy and don't want to deal with the problem. There should not be a drug for this. People have taught us how to deal with tantrums or we either grew up and realized it quickly instead of being retarded. Seriously. This is so stupid that they even have this drug made and that they are selling it so excessively.

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[Fadingz]

I don't care what you people think, in my opinion this drug is totally wrong like snow in hell.
This not an aid in learning, this completely contradicts the way human learns.
For more about learning, look more into literature and study about learning...


However, I want to make one thing clear before I go to sleep:
Stimulus is an action, a phenomenon, and it is not an substance.

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[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

As far as I understood that website, this is a simple odor. Pretty much just aromatheropy. I explicity asked if this **** had narcotic properties, because that would be a different story. But if this is just a smell, then it's not like sniffing coke.



yeah man, I go into the bakery and take a big whiff all the time. My family had an intervention for me last week.

Dopamine anbalogues are used to treat parkinsons patients, but has serious side effects of desensitizing dopamine receptors from prolonged use, and can cause permanent long term side effects. So Dopaminergic drugs are obviously not something to dally with.


And as for this aroma balony, how long are we going to run in circles here?

Aromatherapy, odors, scents, smells those are just vaporized delivery systems in transporting a substance. Regardless of the delivery system the inherit properties of whatever is being sprayed remains the same.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Irukapooka

Geez, Spyhop. You are just reading the website and trusting what they say?

So far, that's the only information I have to go on. I'm not going to just throw up my hands and say, "that must not be the whole truth!". Reasonable people don't make **** up like that. They ask for more information and....wait....what did I do in my first post......hmmmmm

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[Fadingz]

Wait, you people just wait....

What is wrong with tantrum? Is it a disease? Is it an illness? Is it an inability? Why do you need to treat it?

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

Aromatherapy, odors, scents, smells those are just vaporized delivery systems in transporting a substance. Regardless of the delivery system the inherit properties of whatever is being sprayed remains the same.

If the substance isn't reacting with the body, beyond simply affecting odor receptors, then it's benign and NOT a drug.

Anyway kids, I gotta work tomorrow, and this conversation is annoying me, causing a chemical reaction in my brain, so I don't want to overdose on this drug of a thread!!

I'm just gonna do a couple lines of cookie odor, listen to some music drugs, and hit the sack.

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[Fadingz]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

If the substance isn't reacting with the body, beyond simply affecting odor receptors, then it's benign and NOT a drug.

Anyway kids, I gotta work tomorrow, and this conversation is annoying me, causing a chemical reaction in my brain, so I don't want to overdose on this drug of a thread!!

I'm just gonna do a couple lines of cookie odor, listen to some music drugs, and hit the sack.

music = sound wave lmao
Thought you need to learn more biology and chemistry, but now you need some physics too.


I know that you are ignoring my posts btw, since you've been talking about the same nonsense every time.

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[Irukapooka]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

So far, that's the only information I have to go on. I'm not going to just throw up my hands and say, "that must not be the whole truth!". Reasonable people don't make **** up like that. They ask for more information and....wait....what did I do in my first post......hmmmmm

You did ask a question. And that was great. We gave you an answer. It just doesn't seem like you understand what we're saying. I don't see how any of us is going overboard. We're just scared for these children. I don't see how that is "over reacting".

Okay, don't kill yourself on your cookie drug smells. *roll eyes*

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Fadingz

music = sound wave lmao

Dunno what's more sad. The fact that you honestly believe I don't know that, or that you're not making the connection between auditory stimuli and this argument.
Anyway, nite.

Originally Posted by Irukapooka

We gave you an answer.

No you didn't. I asked if it was narcotic, and I think I've more than explained since then what I meant. I wanted to know if there's anything in there that can, in itself, alter body chemistry. Seonsory stimuli != drug.

K, seriously gone now.

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[Irukapooka]

Good night our forum elder.

We crazy college kids will continue to inhale the toxins of the forums. Night.

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