Tantrum 911

[Ahielia]

Originally Posted by sassygrl

I am a good mother

I am a conservative christian that does not believe in drugs of any kind.

When a child is upset they have lost all reason. therefore trying to calm them down and talk to them is virtually impossible.

Logic fail.

Originally Posted by futurehopenow

It would prevent a LOT of child abuse!

No it wouldn't.
Any adult that dare physically and/or mentally abuse a child should be SHOT ON THE SPOT!

I have a granddaughter who, when she has a tantrum, will rip my glasses off or jam them into my nose, kick, hit, bite me. Her mother did the same thing, and all I could do was close the door and hold it closed while she pounded on it, screaming "I HATE YOU. I'm GOING TO KILL YOU WHEN I COME OUT OF HERE!!!"

You know, my (youngest) big sister was just like that.
This continues all the way through puberty, and with her going to shrinks, getting put on medications for ADHD and lord knows what...
Now she's 22, and quite a different person. All she needed was to actually be off those damn drugs, and stay away for a little while, to think. She's actually pleasant now, as opposed to what she was like back then.

Originally Posted by Miretank

no no, but i wonder how does it smell :3

Probably smells like hell... But maybe you'll be too drugged by it to remember it

Originally Posted by Squall

Spoiler:

I actually lasted 1min 24secs into that video before I was about to rip my head off...

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Originally Posted by Radix865

If you dare to say you hate anime because of pokemon I swear I'll kick you in the nuts so hard that even your unborn grandchild will become impotent!

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[BigIg]

Everyone is still missing the point of this:

It's just another thing to make parents be even lazier. Even assuming the drugs (or not drugs, whatever you call it) don't have an effect, lazy parenting like this sure will. So yes, even giving candy to your kids when they're being bad isn't a good thing, and it could have negative long-term effects.

No wonder everyone (including me.. heh) is so ****ed up. Lazy ass worthless parents.

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you're not that ****ed up :P, You turned out to be a decent bloke, while other guys would be off screwing anything that moves you've stuck with Katie.

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[bobrocks95]

Originally Posted by BigIg

(or not drugs, whatever you call it)

Is that what kids are calling them these days?

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[Paratech]

Boys whose parents don't keep them in line marry women who do keep them in line, and mother in laws that remind them there are worse things to fear than death!

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[Silenus]

Yeah great post Paratech.

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[BigIg]

Originally Posted by bobrocks95

Is that what kids are calling them these days?

Yeah, I smoke some not drugs every week.

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[strike105x]

Originally Posted by cooliscool

Took the words right out of my mouth. This product induces a response no different than the pleasurable response the child would normally get from say, candy, or anything else that has a pleasing odor.

I wish the company wouldn't have went into explaining the physiological reasons for this response, because people see "dopamine", correlate it to illicit euphoriants, and think "OH GOD THEY'RE DRUGGING OUR KIDS", without realizing that dopamine is responsible for all pleasurable sensations.

I wanted to reply this earlier but couldn't cause was to sleepy/lazy at that moment and after i was cut of with no internet.

So you saying that this has the same response as giving a child candy ? Well first of even in that vid it seems kind of forceful and kind of suspicious cause of its fast effects. But anyway lets say for the sake of argument your right and its just the same as giving candy, well i will say this: your raising a child not training a dog to play fetch or wave the tail at the cookie (well in this case candy). A kid who is just trained like a dog will turn in a looser and when he has to stand on his feet he will be unable to do anything. A kid should be prepared to face life on his own, of course all parents want to provide for there kids a good life style but it has to be done without spoiling him as for rewarding methods they should be as limited as possible. As for a beatings & punishments its good, it builds a bit of character (of course i mean a "light" one not bloody mutilation), that way even if its subconsciously the kid will now that doing something wrong can have painful repercussions.

As for smoking "not drugs" meah they are just a waste of money for me.

Spoiler:

since the only experience i got with it, was just that its slighlty stronger then a cigarette.

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[Irukapooka]

The real point in this thread as BigIg and Strike and myself and many other members have said, is that it doesn't really matter if this is a fragrance or not. This is just a cop out for parents. And whether or not you consider this a drug that will be harmful physically or not, you have to admit, that if you are giving this to your child then you are telling him that it's okay to not deal with the problem directly. Most likely, your child will take this to heart (since this tantrum 911 is most likely being used to children less than 5 years old), and use this as a philosophy for the rest of his life to not directly solve a problem but just to hide from the problem and not deal with it (ex. going to the bar and drinking himself silly so that he can forget about the problem. I'm not saying it could be to that extent, but I just want you to see what I'm saying).

So stop trying to argue the fact if it is a drug or not. All of us have our own opinions and none of us will most likely change our opinions. Look at the bigger picture.

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Indeed. Drugs are bad, and thoughtful beatings are good.

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[Irukapooka]

I never said anything about hitting a child. A simple spanking can be the extent of it, but nothing past that. You can tell the child that what they are doing is wrong and bad after they have calmed down. Children do have a thought process you know.

And of course it's going to be annoying as hell while they are throwing a tantrum. But every adult that has had a child has experienced it.

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[Exodus]

That's why I said thoughtful beatings, and not mindless ones.

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[Irukapooka]

Ah okay. Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic to me and misunderstood what I was trying to say earlier.

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[Paratech]

Originally Posted by Irukapooka

I never said anything about hitting a child. A simple spanking can be the extent of it, but nothing past that. You can tell the child that what they are doing is wrong and bad after they have calmed down. Children do have a thought process you know.

And of course it's going to be annoying as hell while they are throwing a tantrum. But every adult that has had a child has experienced it.

According to our government based education system, children must feel good about themselves no matter how badly they behave! So no spankings (That's child abuse) no calling them "bad" that's not P.C., and the child must be rewarded no matter how poorly s/he behaves...

Note this isn't how I believe children should be raised, but I'm not the government.

You can thank Dr. Spock and a bunch of drugged up hippies for wrecking the family...



Thank God I'm never having kids!

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[Irukapooka]

Lol the government is retarded.

If you don't let the child know that what they are doing is wrong, then they aren't going to know that when they get older. I see no problem telling them that they are being a bad boy or a bad girl if they are doing something bad. That isn't abuse if you are teaching the child right from wrong. Hell, if we didn't teach the child that then a lot of us would grow up being complete idiots and not caring about the consequences of life.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Dr Spock was the idiot who came up with the cry it out method, which causes more problems then it solves. (Especially since crying raises blood pressure, causes stress on blood vessels and can lead to oxygen to the brain issues)

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[catherinespark]

Tantrum 911 is not medicine, nor is it a drug - it's basically no more than a perfume. If you waved a nice commercial fragrance under your kid's nose it would probably have the same effect. Your argument that anything that changes brain chemicals (in this case dopamine) is a drug is not enough to be this angry about, nor is it enough to define a drug by. Anything that makes you happy produces dopamine in your brain.

Eating your favourite food produces dopamine in your brain, so by your arguments all nice foods are drugs. Taking exercise produces dopamine in your brain so by your arguments any kind of exercise would by your arguments be a drug. Watching a comedy film produces dopamine in your brain, so all comedy by your arguments is a drug. Getting Christmas and birthday presents produces dopamine in your brain so by your arguments all gifts are drugs. Spending time with loved ones produces dopamine in the brain, so by your arguments anyone you love is a drug! The list goes on and on.

The basic problem is that people are wary of 'miracle blends', which is a good thing, because they can rip you off and some of them can indeed be dangerous. Personally I think tantrum 911 is a bit of a bogus, as any nice smell could do the same thing. But I do not think it merits this amount of anger.

A drug is defined in medicine as a chemical that affects the body in a specific way by binding to specific receptors, carriers, enzymes or other chemicals. Tantrum 911 does not have any unique or specific effect because other chemicals can do the same thing in the same way. For this same reason neither can any of the examples in the above paragraph be classed as a drug.

[catherinespark]

It's behaviour-altering drugs that people seem to hate as well as miracle fixes. But if you read back you see that someone correctly mentioned the stress of frequent, prolonged crying causing problems. These would include a long-term alterered metabolsim, sleep difficulties, increased blood pressure, permanent brain changes, and increased cholesterol, all of which cause long term problems. I have studied these processes at university level also. Stress can also come from trying to suppress frustration and anger for fear of spanking.

As I said this is not a chemical that alters the brain in any way that a brisk walk doesn't, and a brisk walk is also an anger control mechanism. Therefore it could be said Tantrum 911 is a bogus. But you are not abusing walking if you are using it to calm down after anger, and since Tantrum 911 does exactly the same thing to the brain as a brisk walk it is logically the same principle.

And the fact that it's a chemical doesn't make it unnatural. Sniffing an orange when angry would be natural, have the same effect as a brisk walk, and is a chemical, but nobody would mind if you made your child sniff an orange during a tantrum.

Also when we are stressed we have no problem using chemicals to calm us down if they are marketed as 'aromatherapy', 'essential oils', 'bath essences' etc. It is an illusion that Tantrum 911 is any different from those.

If anyone doesn't believe me I will include reference links to prove that 1. I know what I am talking about and 2. What I am saying is true.