A Simple Arguement

Seta-San · September 14th, 2009

Everyone. I'm sure most of you are in the same room as your Wii. Look at your wii with all it's accessories. Most of you at least have a charging dock. It's getting disgusting on the third party side.. why all these accessories? Some might argue that it is due to the wii's popularity. I though must argue that most all accessories come from fundamental design flaws of the wiimote. Now i understand that the wiimote can't exactly become a racket, or a golf club, and most of these accessories are gimicks. I'm looking at the more practical ones; recharable batteries, docs, rubber inserts, and the motion plus. I believe that if nintendo had any respect for their future consumers they would immediate cease the production of the current model of the wiimote and make four or more important changes in order to fundamental upgrade it. First they would integrate the wiimote with the motion plus, it's not that consumers fault that the original wiimote didn't provide the 1:1 response that they expected. Second they need to have a replacable, recharable lithium ion battery back that comes first party. The battery should be recharable through a seperate docking station and it should charge through the nunchuck port on the bottem. It should be able to dock comfortable without leaving the rubber sleave. That is to say that the rubber only needs to come off to replace the battery pack. Third they need to upgrade the speaker on the wiimote to accomediate better than 8bit sound. Fourth, but certainly not least, they should start selling the nunchuck with the wii mote instead of seperate. It's insulting to a customer when they get what they think they need only to find out that they also need an "Accessory". The nunchuck isn't an accessory, it is standard issue!

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**Chrono Archangel** · September 14th, 2009

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Silenus · September 14th, 2009

I would like to see a price rundown of a Wii with the "essential" accessories and compare it to the PS3.

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StriderVM · September 14th, 2009

Left side of brain : Cost cutting, adding the additional stuff woulld also increase the price, it's an accessory for a reason, it may not be used.

Right side of brain : It's a money thing. More money for nintendo.

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Spyhop · September 14th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Seta-San

A Simple Arguement

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It's a pity people don't consider the cost of mandatory accessories for consoles. If they put more thought into it, the PS3 wouldn't be taking so much crap.

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Paratech · September 14th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Silenus

I would like to see a price rundown of a Wii with the "essential" accessories and compare it to the PS3.

Fine, as long as you include the corresponding PS3 items.

i.e., if you list 2nd wiimote, list a 2nd wireless PS3 controller...

BTW, I thought the PS3 wasn't competing with the Wii?

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BigIg · September 15th, 2009

This is going to sound like a fanboyish comment, but here goes: The Wii was never anything but a very well selling gimmick in the first place. Gimmicky accessories were to be expected.

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Paratech · September 15th, 2009

So you're bashing 50 million gamers? Interesting! and obviously they're so dumb they don't enjoy the Wii, but are too ashamed to be honest with others and just want to lie and tell them the system is fun because they want others wasting $250 as well?

Maybe a good percentage of Wii owners actually enjoy their systems?

But hey, whether you like it or not is your choice, but please don't insult others, ok?

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BigIg · September 15th, 2009

I wasn't insulting others. Gimmicks can be fun, I suppose.

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Paratech · September 15th, 2009

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Originally Posted by BigIg

I wasn't insulting others. Gimmicks can be fun, I suppose.

You're stereotyping at the very least...

A number of games I play, Neo Geo, Gamecube Retro/Console etc use the Classic controller. To imply that all games depend on the Wiimote as a gimmick when many games (i.e. Mario Kart Wii / Neo Geo games) can use the Wavebird, and others can use the Wavebird or the Classic Controller is a sign of not understanding the Wii.

The Wii can be versatile...

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BigIg · September 15th, 2009

I'm just saying, the Wii console in general and the (poor performing) motion controllers are nothing but gimmicks, along with most of the crappy accessories.

Though from a Business prospective, Nintendo was the smartest of all three companies.

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PCXL-Fan · September 15th, 2009

The accessory business scheme is one of the fundamental ones used! Don't diss it. It works on you, me, your mom, your dad & everyone all like a charm!!!

Everything from vacuum cleaners, to cordless telephones, to electric razors, to lawnmowers, to tvs, they all try and run on this business model, they lure in with with the reasonable price of the item your getting, then gouge you at the wallet with expensive accessories.

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Paratech · September 15th, 2009

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Originally Posted by BigIg

I'm just saying, the Wii console in general and the (poor performing) motion controllers are nothing but gimmicks, along with most of the crappy accessories.

Though from a Business prospective, Nintendo was the smartest of all three companies.

That's your opinion, but there are millions of happy Wii owners.

And how do you define crappy? I like the Classic Controller, there was no way it and the Wiimote could be made into one controller, and what's wrong with the Wavebird? or the Nunchuck?

If these were as bad as you claim, millions of gamers would not be buying the Wii, there would be bad mouthing from the millions who own the Wii, but alas the Wii is still selling...quite well... It may outsell the Gamecube by 2X...

You Wii haters are an interesting bunch, rather than being happy with your systems you own, you have to bash the Wii. I'd rather be happy enjoying my system than bashing the competition...

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BigIg · September 15th, 2009

I'm going to make a console that doesn't come with a optical drive. So right off the bat you need an accessory. Want ethernet? That costs extra. Wifi? You're paying out the ass. Want to have audio output? Just pick up the audio expansion pack. Video output module will be released soon.

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Thanakil · September 15th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Seta-San

Fourth, but certainly not least, they should start selling the nunchuck with the wii mote instead of seperate. It's insulting to a customer when they get what they think they need only to find out that they also need an "Accessory". The nunchuck isn't an accessory, it is standard issue!

I'm wondering, what exactly do you mean by that?
Do you mean when you buy a separate Wiimote? The Wii itself should come with a Wiimote and a nunchuck. If you mean when you buy a separate (additional) Wiimote, it's probably better if they keep the Wiimote and Nunchuck separate to give people the choice to either buy them together or alone. (Dunno, it just feels like a weird request)

As far as offering something better for the battery and the Wii Motion Plus, I agree, but I'm wondering the Motion + may not simply be added in a future bundle. (I wouldn't be surprised if they simply did a moderate price cut but added Motion + to the Wii)

I don't really see how the accessories for the Wii are that bad tho. The only one that I feel is "necessary" is the charging dock. I have a Classic Controller, but it was purely optional. (I started playing games because of my Father with the NES, so I thought it'd be fun to have him play back those old games on the Wii)

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BigIg · September 15th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Paratech

You Wii haters are an interesting bunch, rather than being happy with your systems you own, you have to bash the Wii. I'd rather be happy enjoying my system than bashing the competition...

Well frankly, I think all three of the systems suck.

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Paratech · September 15th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Thanakil

I have a Classic Controller, but it was purely optional. (I started playing games because of my Father with the NES, so I thought it'd be fun to have him play back those old games on the Wii)

If you want to play SNES games, fighting games, or Neo Geo games, you'll want the Classic Controller...

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Squall-Leonhart · September 15th, 2009

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I'm going to make a console that doesn't come with a optical drive. So right off the bat you need an accessory. Want ethernet? That costs extra. Wifi? You're paying out the ass. Want to have audio output? Just pick up the audio expansion pack. Video output module will be released soon.

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If you want to play SNES games, fighting games, or Neo Geo games, you'll want the Classic Controller...

lol fail.

Gamecube controller > Classic.

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Seta-San · September 15th, 2009

you all have been missing the main problem. The Wii was released fundamentally flawed. It failed to achieve the 1:1 motion it was suppose to have. They somehow failed to anticipate the fact that people could manage to throw the remote through a TV causing them to have to giveaway two more updates, a thicker strap and the rubber glove for it. Then, they managed to not see the fact people don't want to pay hundreds of dollars in batterys.

They need to release a Wiimote 2.0 that takes into consideration all these changes

wiimote--------------35.96
nunchuck------------17.96
motion+-------------19.96
nyko charge station--24.82
--------------------------
total $98.70 for what should be a 1 single package

ps3 Dualshock 3 42.96
xbox360 wireless 37.96

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Squall-Leonhart · September 15th, 2009

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Seta-San PCSX2ベータテスター Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,420	A Simple Arguement Everyone. I'm sure most of you are in the same room as your Wii. Look at your wii with all it's accessories. Most of you at least have a charging dock. It's getting disgusting on the third party side.. why all these accessories? Some might argue that it is due to the wii's popularity. I though must argue that most all accessories come from fundamental design flaws of the wiimote. Now i understand that the wiimote can't exactly become a racket, or a golf club, and most of these accessories are gimicks. I'm looking at the more practical ones; recharable batteries, docs, rubber inserts, and the motion plus. I believe that if nintendo had any respect for their future consumers they would immediate cease the production of the current model of the wiimote and make four or more important changes in order to fundamental upgrade it. First they would integrate the wiimote with the motion plus, it's not that consumers fault that the original wiimote didn't provide the 1:1 response that they expected. Second they need to have a replacable, recharable lithium ion battery back that comes first party. The battery should be recharable through a seperate docking station and it should charge through the nunchuck port on the bottem. It should be able to dock comfortable without leaving the rubber sleave. That is to say that the rubber only needs to come off to replace the battery pack. Third they need to upgrade the speaker on the wiimote to accomediate better than 8bit sound. Fourth, but certainly not least, they should start selling the nunchuck with the wii mote instead of seperate. It's insulting to a customer when they get what they think they need only to find out that they also need an "Accessory". The nunchuck isn't an accessory, it is standard issue! __________________

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September 14th, 2009	#2 (permalink)
Chrono Archangel Administrator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 7,846	Simple.... $$$$$$ It's all about the money and keeping third-parties interested in making products for them. __________________ When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide.

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Silenus Pilgrim Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 3,387	I would like to see a price rundown of a Wii with the "essential" accessories and compare it to the PS3. __________________ --ASUS G50VT-X1 - P8400 2.5GHZ - Geforce 9800GS 512MB - HDD 320GB - 4GB DDR2 800MHZ - WINDOWS 7 64 BIT - ZALMAN NC2000-- ...Mis sueños son mentiras que algun día dejarán de serlo...

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StriderVM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philippines Posts: 2,059	Left side of brain : Cost cutting, adding the additional stuff woulld also increase the price, it's an accessory for a reason, it may not be used. Right side of brain : It's a money thing. More money for nintendo. __________________ Current PC specs : AsRock 945GCM-S Pentium Dual Core E5200 @ 2912Mhz (233x12.5) Palit Radeon 4850 Sonic 512MB gDDR3 2x2048MB Kingston DDR2 800Mhz RAM

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BigIg I tell you what. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 2,274	This is going to sound like a fanboyish comment, but here goes: The Wii was never anything but a very well selling gimmick in the first place. Gimmicky accessories were to be expected. __________________ Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand

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Paratech Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Franklin, Pa Posts: 4,139	So you're bashing 50 million gamers? Interesting! and obviously they're so dumb they don't enjoy the Wii, but are too ashamed to be honest with others and just want to lie and tell them the system is fun because they want others wasting $250 as well? Maybe a good percentage of Wii owners actually enjoy their systems? But hey, whether you like it or not is your choice, but please don't insult others, ok? __________________ -Dreams of getting a new 360 XBOX in 201x. -Current consoles: Playstation 2 and Wii, also has DS/GBA and a PSP 3000 -PC: AMD 5000 2.6 Dual Core, 2GB Ram, 8600 GeForce GT video card, SB Live!, Win XP SP3

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BigIg I tell you what. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 2,274	I wasn't insulting others. Gimmicks can be fun, I suppose. __________________ Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand

September 15th, 2009	#11 (permalink)
BigIg I tell you what. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 2,274	I'm just saying, the Wii console in general and the (poor performing) motion controllers are nothing but gimmicks, along with most of the crappy accessories. Though from a Business prospective, Nintendo was the smartest of all three companies. __________________ Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand

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BigIg I tell you what. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 2,274	I'm going to make a console that doesn't come with a optical drive. So right off the bat you need an accessory. Want ethernet? That costs extra. Wifi? You're paying out the ass. Want to have audio output? Just pick up the audio expansion pack. Video output module will be released soon. __________________ Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand

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Seta-San PCSX2ベータテスター Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,420	you all have been missing the main problem. The Wii was released fundamentally flawed. It failed to achieve the 1:1 motion it was suppose to have. They somehow failed to anticipate the fact that people could manage to throw the remote through a TV causing them to have to giveaway two more updates, a thicker strap and the rubber glove for it. Then, they managed to not see the fact people don't want to pay hundreds of dollars in batterys. They need to release a Wiimote 2.0 that takes into consideration all these changes wiimote--------------35.96 nunchuck------------17.96 motion+-------------19.96 nyko charge station--24.82 -------------------------- total $98.70 for what should be a 1 single package ps3 Dualshock 3 42.96 xbox360 wireless 37.96 __________________ Last edited by Seta-San; September 15th, 2009 at 08:33..

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