Do you think suicide is right?

[mudlord]

mudlord received an infraction like anyone else would.

Shame on you! We want bannings damnit! Not pissy infractions!

[jonc2006]

are you sure this is really worth it mudlord?

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[mudlord]

are you sure this is really worth it mudlord?

Is it any business of yours? No...so frankly keep to yourself.

[sigmax]

suicide is not right and who do it is really silly.

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[RF]

Originally Posted by mudlord

Is it any business of yours? No...so frankly keep to yourself.

Even after three of our moderators have stepped in to stop both of you from flaming, you decide to continue AND give lip to jonc?

Both of you are removed for 7 days regardless.

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Originally Posted by sigmax

suicide is not right and who do it is really silly.

really silly?

consider my posts from earlier. With the jews who threw themselves on the electric fences to avoid torture experimentation and gruesome deaths. Or with David Reimer where they removed his genitals when he was an infant, pumped him full of estrogen for years, and tried to convert him into a girl.

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[Hatorijr]

i am only putting in a few words because i could rant on and on about this. i am going to say that what cottonvibes said at the end justifies it completely. if all someone knows in life is suffering why in the world would you make them stay on living and make them suffer even more, because at that point that's only considered torture and that in its self is immoral. those who condone torture are monsters in all accounts.

flame me if you want but at the same time i will say this as it was said by others, unless you truly have experienced it, you could NEVER know what its like and those who dare try to act as though they do, well for starters you are sickening for trying to force your views on others, i can not stand it being spoken to me in person and online its even worse.

religion is for those who try to give meaning to stuff they do not understand, i do not believe in it because i only believe what i see, no one knows anything about the after life if one even exists as another pointed out that there is no communication after death so for those religion nuts, stop with your trash already, i hear it enough from those i know in person, i wont stand for it online.

i do not care if others do not like the idea but you hold no authority over another's life, its that person's right to do with their body as they see fit to do. just as you have the right to do as you will to yours, are you going to let someone tell you you can't do something when you know full well you have the right?

i am done unless someone tries to flame me for my views and no i wont even touch on my own experiences because thats personal and my personal experiences stay off forums for good reasons.

[Kazuya Mishima]

Well, mudlord and spyhop have given a perfect example of forum suicide Go figure.

They were on a very caotic behavior that went destructive in the end and nobody could help them, not even Proto nor 3 mods with their reasonable, calm and happy thoughts, just like the ones people give to suicides. They didn't even think of the rest of the society (read forum) and keep doing it regardless of the pain (closed thread) they could cause.

They did the ultimate sacrifice: commited forum suicide just to show us the behavior of a suicide person and the results even when help is given.

I salute them

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[Squall-Leonhart]

As i said, if you want to die so bad, go join the army, atleast then you'd be doing something worthwhile in the process.

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Where's mudlord's red card for this insult? I've received one for less. Or does coding a plugin grant immunity on this forum to say whatever you want to people?

And you're still not successful in linking white supremacists to this argument. You're saying people who are insensitive to mental conditions are racists. You're saying people ignorant to mental conditions are white supremacists but you still haven't explained how...then at the end of your argument you insult those who are asking for an explanation and then explain it should be clear when you really haven't explained a damn thing. We're talking about suicide and mental problems and you're going of on people for being KKK members.

Actually, mudlord is right (except for the white supremecist bit). Suicide is a choice, whether a person has a mental illness or not, it is still their choice to listen to teh voices (if its that form of mental illness), Drive drunk/drugged (if its the kind of mental illness where they think they are fine even when they aren't), Kill themselves, (no matter how much pain you think you're in, someone somewhere else is hurting much worse then you ever could).

Everything we do is a choice, and while it is a valid choice, we should defer people from it, no matter what their personal background and history.

As i said, Euphanasia, isn't even in the same scope as Suicide, for a person that is slowy dieing anyway, it is a choice to die with dignity, of their own will, and not having to put themselves ando thers through the pain and misery of watching them waste away slowly.

Mudlord, has problems, I have problems, Everyone has problems. **** happens, lifes a ****ing *****, get over it and move on. If you think suicide is gunna help then obviously you aren't worth the air you breathe, nor are you worth any respect others show you. Killing yourself, is a fullstop. Theres no getting better, theres no chance of happiness. And for those with religion, theres no heaven either. infact i don't even think they get hell, They are probably stuck permanently in limbo... which imo is a far worse place to be then hell any day.

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Something which I have been mulling about ever since this thread started.
Let's say that just like some war movie you're hiding behind a little rock with a pistol and 10 heavily armed men are advancing towards you with intent to kill you. So whatever you do you're gonna die in a few minutes time.

So would deciding to go out in a blaze of glory and trying to take some of them with you be suicide or would your death still be the result of murder?

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Originally Posted by Hatorijr

i do not care if others do not like the idea but you hold no authority over another's life, its that person's right to do with their body as they see fit to do. just as you have the right to do as you will to yours, are you going to let someone tell you you can't do something when you know full well you have the right?

You may say its a right but its still a selfish course of action to take, you could also say its my right to kill then

[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

Something which I have been mulling about ever since this thread started.
Let's say that just like some war movie you're hiding behind a little rock with a pistol and 10 heavily armed men are advancing towards you with intent to kill you. So whatever you do you're gonna die in a few minutes time.

So would deciding to go out in a blaze of glory and trying to take some of them with you be suicide or would your death still be the result of murder?

I'd take some of the bastards out with the standard issue grenade i have on my belt.

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[Hatorijr]

calling it selfish is a double edged sword as someone else said, so call it selfish but you are just as guilty at the selfish bit as the one who does it.

[Urine Sample]

Yeah but sometimes the needs many outweigh the few, the relatives happiness should not be sacrificed by a guy whos not even going to be happy dead

[Hatorijr]

sometimes that does not matter, would you rather a person who is suffering die and not suffer anymore or be made to live and basically live every day being constantly tortured by being made to live?

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

I'd take some of the bastards out with the standard issue grenade i have on my belt.

All you have is a little pistol with 6 bullets...nothing else...not even a pebble to chuck at one of them.

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[Zappatista]

Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

The problem with all those happy and positive thinkers is that even when there are lots of them in the world, suicides are happening in bigs numbers and are very real and should be aknowledged as such.

It's obvious that the current trend of positive thinking and trying to live for the community and your family and all the rest of good thoughts are not working. If they did then the suicide rate would be lower or even null. Their thoughts are useless.

So, positive thinkers, do you have another idea that could really lower the number of suicides, perhaps a real one this time?
Or should we stick to the current ones that keep the number of suicides on the rise?

I guess suicides are increasing not because of "positive thinking", wich I think it simply does not exist in society. Everyone think only for themselves, and **** the rest. This Generation Me is so selfish and stupid that once in a while someone shots himself in the head for some stupid reason, because he thought it. And **** the rest.

Most of these deaths don't are less stupid because these people were depressed. Why nobody questions why everyone feels so unhappy? And I should everyone respect a "decision" of someone to commit suicide, when this thought was induced by a mental disease? It's not something to be taken seriously. I don't know if I'm too worried about the people, but I think that, if a disease makes them think bull****, this disease must be cured. It's not an easy task for sure, but it must be tried.

(Of course there are those very rare and specific cases of rational suicides. When someone is so torn inside that life really can't be carried on. Something that DON'T relate to depression only.)

And yes, "life is beautiful, bla, bla, bla" is a bunch of empty words. Pure bull****. Life isn't beautiful, life isn't easy. But I wouldn't give mine away for anything.

If I would suggest something to lower the suicide rate, it is to people stop thinking only for themselves. This excessive egoism is hurting everything, from global climate to human relations. Specially human relations. So depression spreads in the minds of the people like a flu in the winter.

So, all I would ask is to people to come back to reality. And to see that this is a disease, that must be cured. But I guess society isn't too worried because it is less expensive to bury the dead than to cure the depressed. Unfortunately.

[cowfez]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

All you have is a little pistol with 6 bullets...nothing else...not even a pebble to chuck at one of them.

There's no right way to answer that schumi.

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

Just curious whether people would see it as suicide or murder...I can't make up my mind...

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[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

Something which I have been mulling about ever since this thread started.
Let's say that just like some war movie you're hiding behind a little rock with a pistol and 10 heavily armed men are advancing towards you with intent to kill you. So whatever you do you're gonna die in a few minutes time.

So would deciding to go out in a blaze of glory and trying to take some of them with you be suicide or would your death still be the result of murder?

Some people commit suicide by police (forget the exact term) where they take a fake toy gun and point it at police and the police are forced to defend themselves thinking its a real gun and kill the person.

For your example either way your not intending to die. Your forced into the situation.

Lets get another senario. Lets say your in a warzone and a enemy lobs a grenade at your platoon. The grenade is gonna go off maming or killing most of the platoon and you have a split second choice. Jump into the ditch beside you and save yourself or throw yourself on it to absorb the explosion saving a dozen lives. And you choose the latter.

Not such a selfish ***** now are you?!

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