Do you think suicide is right?

[cottonvibes]

some people are born with an easy life, and others aren't.

its not like those that don't commit suicide are better people.
the only reason they haven't committed suicide is because they weren't put in the same situation.

and some people are just naturally depressive.
i myself am naturally pessimistic and get depressed easily; its harder for someone with my mindset to keep myself from commiting suicide, than it is for people that have optimistic personalities and perfect lives.

but as i've said before, suicide is an act of selfishness since you're only thinking about ending your own suffering; while bringing more suffering to your family and friends.

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[mudlord]

I'm gonna kill myself and send my soul to hell early

How?

Please tell me how suicide is a one way ticket to your religion's definition of "Hell".

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

It's 1st degree murder of yourself as I pointed out earlier...

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[mudlord]

It's 1st degree murder of yourself as I pointed out earlier...

...and the bible says "Thou shall not kill"....

Talk about taking things literally. I thought the bible was a case of open interpretation, not a minefield of precise orders.

[chipsugar]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

some people are born with an easy life, and others aren't.

its not like those that don't commit suicide are better people.
the only reason they haven't committed suicide is because they weren't put in the same situation.

and some people are just naturally depressive.
i myself am naturally pessimistic and get depressed easily; its harder for someone with my mindset to keep myself from commiting suicide, than it is for people that have optimistic personalities and perfect lives.

I'm not so much a pessimist but have been quite depressive. However it is possible to build, with practice, a more realistic and hence more *positive* outlook (as pessimism and realism are very different). I believe that pessimism and optimism are often habits, as is depression. Also I've never heard of ANYONE that has either a perfect or an easy life.

but as i've said before, suicide is an act of selfishness since you're only thinking about ending your own suffering; while bringing more suffering to your family and friends.

Quite. It can also be cruel to strangers. I'm particularly thinking of train drivers.

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[Proto]

Suicide is for pussies. It's a sign of weakness and [sometimes] immaturity. It's like saying, "Oh man, my life sucks and no one understands me... boo hooo hoooooo! I'm gonna kill myself and send my soul to hell early...."

Hence why it is often useful for people to read the first episodes in a thread. We already tackled that early on. Suicide often requires more courage than living on.


Not to mention that not everyone here believes in afterlife, so the later part of the argument is moot.

It's 1st degree murder of yourself as I pointed out earlier...

Relying on legal definitions for something that is psychological in first and philosophical in second term might not be the best option though Not to mention that laws is nothing more than the institutionalization of a society's moral system, not the other way around.

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Forget religion and laws. Because once your dead nothing matters. Commiting suicide is being the ultimate leech, taking from society and family and only causing harm when you "escape" by dying. If you commit suicide you are just like everything that made you unhappy.

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by mudlord

Lets put it another way, people here discriminate. There's the ****ing link. Discrimination. I think however, if we look it up in the dictionary, we will see your face in it.

Horribly weak. Everybody discriminates for various reasons. Everyone. If you tell me you don't, you're lying. That doesn't make everyone a frigging white supremacist. Your arguments are lame and I think you just like to say the most outlandish **** possible so people pay attention to you.

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[mudlord]

Your arguments are lame and I think you just like to say the most outlandish **** possible so people pay attention to you.

And I think you do the same.
So we are even.

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by mudlord

And I think you do the same.
So we are even.

Except I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I say **** for a cheap laugh. You say **** that's horribly offensive. You just called everyone on this board a ****ing white supremacist. WTF is wrong with you?

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Lay off each other and argue with me

[mudlord]

Except I'm on the other end of the spectrum.

So that puts you on a moral pedestal?

I say **** for a cheap laugh.

Who cares.

You say **** that's horribly offensive.

Who cares.

You just called everyone on this board a ****ing white supremacist.

Who cares.

WTF is wrong with you?

Who cares.

[Proto]

Okay people, maybe you are not aware of this, but you are spoling the discussion for everyone else, not to mention that you are getting worked up over something that is not worth it. Step off from the thread for a while, cool your heads and continue later when you a little more calm.

Commiting suicide is being the ultimate leech, taking from society and family and only causing harm when you "escape" by dying. If you commit suicide you are just like everything that made you unhappy.

That is something I agree with. Even if I think that from an individual POV suicide is totally amoral, I agree that from a social POV suicide is detrimental. I haven't found an answer for this yet so I'll just comment that people who are on the verge of suiciding are not always the most socially productive people. This doesn't solve the problem though, but it softens it

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[mudlord]

Step off from the thread for a while, cool your heads and continue later when you a little more calm.

Not going to happen.

[MT]

It must happen Muddy. Or else I'll have to close the topic.

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[Urine Sample]

Originally Posted by mudlord

Not going to happen.

But if you continue, the thread might be removed and all our postcounts will go back to normal!

[mudlord]

It must happen Muddy. Or else I'll have to close the topic.

Fine.

I will rant with Spyhop somewhere else.

[MT]

Originally Posted by mud

Fine.

I will rant with Spyhop somewhere else.

=)

Forget religion and laws. Because once your dead nothing matters.

LOL yeah, I was thinking the same thing... unless death is not the end. o_O

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[Chrono Archangel]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Where's mudlord's red card for this insult? I've received one for less. Or does coding a plugin grant immunity on this forum to say whatever you want to people?

No it doesnt. mudlord received an infraction like anyone else would. I don't want to hear anymore whining about : "this guy has more stars and gets away with things... bouhouhou..."
Both of you are arguing for nothing... Proto is right when he says you guys should stay away from this thread for a while.

Back on topic.

I'll add just a bit by saying I think poeple that are having difficulties going though life, whether it be because of friends, family or work, should not commit suicide. There's help out there and it kills me to see poeple go away because of that. My friend lost his father a couple years ago and it was very painful.

However, I'm not all against the "assisted suicide" thingy for like medical patients that are in a great deal of pain and they have no cure for whatever they are sick from.

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[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by chipsugar

I'm not so much a pessimist but have been quite depressive. However it is possible to build, with practice, a more realistic and hence more *positive* outlook (as pessimism and realism are very different). I believe that pessimism and optimism are often habits, as is depression.

i think some people that have severe depression have hormonal/chemical imbalances in their brain, and its not something that a better attitude can cure.

Originally Posted by chipsugar

Also I've never heard of ANYONE that has either a perfect or an easy life.

well i'm sure some people have very easy lives.
but i mainly said that comment to try and show that people that live okay/good lives won't be able to understand the reasoning behind people with bad-lives committing suicide.

Originally Posted by chipsugar

Quite. It can also be cruel to strangers. I'm particularly thinking of train drivers.

yeah its also cruel to strangers; but its more of a "shock" cruelness instead of a "heart-break" like it would do to friends/family.

Originally Posted by Chrono Archangel

However, I'm not all against the "assisted suicide" thingy for like medical patients that are in a great deal of pain and they have no cure for whatever they are sick from.

yes i agree,
i had to put my dog to sleep a couple weeks ago since he was dieing from cancer.
it was a horrible day, but it was for the best.

why keep someone alive if their life is pure suffering?

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