Do you think suicide is right?

[V1ncent]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

My mother gave me the life to live on this world, and be damned if im gunna betray her and take myself out of it.

Seconded.

[Squall-Leonhart]

as long as you don't leave a mess i don't care.

if you want to die that badly, join the army.

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Why would someone commit suicide?

If your life sucks.......and i mean IT really sucks.......take into account that there is ALWAYS someone in this world that will take a liking to you.

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[V1ncent]

As I heard somewhere: no matter how bad the conditions are, there are people living happily in worse conditions than yours.

[mudlord]

as long as you don't leave a mess i don't care.

Thats the spirit Thats what worries me about people, why are they so non apathetic? Or maybe its just me, thinking in absolutes and having a extreme case of pessimism like Thanakil puts it.

if you want to die that badly, join the army.

Did I once allude to that? Noooo...so where does that argument come in?

Well, it is a fair point. Technically, it wouldn't be suicide if you are KIA.

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Why would someone commit suicide?

Many, many reasons. The person could have suicidial ideations in the first place, which leaves them in a severely depressed state at times.

If your life sucks.......and i mean IT really sucks.......take into account that there is ALWAYS someone in this world that will take a liking to you.

Fair point, but that is thinking optimistically. Thinking realistically however, makes that very unlikely. People are known to hide things, lie about things, and I quite agree to some people in this thread that human society in general is messed up. But that is the "emo" way to look at it, and not a proper solution. The proper solution is to escape while you still can, or grin and bear it.

As I heard somewhere: no matter how bad the conditions are, there are people living happily in worse conditions than yours.

...In some people's minds, that hardly crosses them. They are too overwhelmed in issues that others cannot possibly comprehend on a personal level. So that doesn't phase them.

[BigIg]

Weather suicide is right or not is a tough question for me the answer. I've had multiple family members commit suicide, so I know its hard on the people around them, but most of them hadn't been happy a day in thier life for 20 years before they did it, and it's real hard for me to say "Well, things would have gotten better so they shouldn't have done it" because honestly, I don't think things would have ever gotten better for most of them.

On the other hand, I'm completly against suicide just because your girlfriend breaks up with you. Especially if its a girlfriend you've only had for two months.

I get worried about myself and depression a lot. Depression (along with other mental diseases) run in my family, and just about any time I'm depressed I worry that I might have one of the diseases. I've thought about doing something stupid one too many times, but I don't really want to go to a phsyciatrist because I personally think they're all quacks, since most of the people in my family who have commited suicide had gone to a physciatrist anyway, and it didn't help them obviously.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Mudlord, i wasn't referring to any of your incidents when i posted, i was meaning in general,.... and generally everyone.

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Noone can deny in reality anyone of committing a suicide, since if someone really wants to die, noone can stop him. And afterwards noone can punish him either.

Now, for the point that society shouldn't criticize them that hard, and accept it as a matter of personal choice. First of all anything should be open to criticism. And secondly, why, will the dead person have worries about what the rest of society says about it?

Do we have the right to discourage or try to stop someone from committing suicide? The right to discourage definitely. The right to stop him is the same as asking if we have the right to try to help someone that just had an accident for example. You see a man lying on the street after a car accident, should you try to help him by calling for an ambulance at least, or just leave him there because he didn't asked for any help in the first place (who knows, he might even wanted to commit a suicide) ?

Practically asking to respect a suicide is like asking from the rest of the world, your family and friends to be complete as#holes. And that is as impossible to happen as asking from the rest of the world to be complete angels .

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well some people do have mental disorders which makes them wanna commite sucide.

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[Emucase01]

have you people heard of Pennsylvania mayor Budd Dwyer i think his name was?

theres videos on the net of this mayor who shoots himself right at a press conference! right up the mouth. horrible stufff really

do you think people like that go through some sort of super chemical imbalance, to make them feel high and primed with adrenaline right before death comes?
thats quite an anticipation. this guy was going to get imprisoned for X amount of years. but god, he was handing envelopes of his organ donor cards and suicide notes to people and they didnt even know untill he pulled out the last menilla folder with a revolver. suicide is ur right but its the wrong path to glory ya know.

[mudlord]

Practically asking to respect a suicide is like asking from the rest of the world, your family and friends to be complete as#holes.

No its not. It is asking them to do the right thing.

theres videos on the net of this mayor who shoots himself right at a press conference! right up the mouth. horrible stufff really

Not that horrible.

suicide is ur right but its the wrong path to glory ya know.

True, but suicide is still a choice nontheless, and it must be respected. Shame that most people don't condone it or that they feel that there are spiritual repercussions.....(which there is no proof that there is, since you can't communicate after you are dead).

[Urine Sample]

Originally Posted by mudlord

True, but suicide is still a choice nontheless, and it must be respected. Shame that most people don't condone it or that they feel that there are spiritual repercussions.....(which there is no proof that there is, since you can't communicate after you are dead).

Why should suicide be respected just because its a choice? Rape and murders a choice do you respect that? All it does is cause emotional trauma to family, freinds and the guy who has to clean up your body.

[cottonvibes]

yes good point Urine Sample.

which is why i think suicide is only wrong when you have friends/family that will miss you when you're gone.

if your life is pure suffering, and you don't have any friends/family, then i can totally understand suicide as being a reasonable choice.

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[DarkZoa1000]

Originally Posted by Urine Sample

Why should suicide be respected just because its a choice? Rape and murders a choice do you respect that? All it does is cause emotional trauma to family, freinds and the guy who has to clean up your body.

but its not most peoples fault that they do suicide. Like if you get bullied really and you got so much pressure on you because of that bullying you commit suicide. Whos fault is it going to be?

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[Paratech]

Originally Posted by DarkZoa1000

but its not most peoples fault that they do suicide. Like if you get bullied really and you got so much pressure on you because of that bullying you commit suicide. Whos fault is it going to be?

Bullying is a part of life we have to deal with, killing ourselves over it accomplishes nothing.

The point to learn in bullying, particularly if you're a male is that the bully will be defended as boys will be boys...

It's wrong, but often it's justified and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's something you have to deal with...constructively...

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Urine Sample

Rape and murders a choice do you respect that?

Except in the case of suicide, it's the perpetrator's choice to be the victim as well as the killer.

Suicide is not high on my list of **** to care too much about. I mean, yeah, if a buddy was feeling suicidal I'd probably wanna do something about it but there's too much crap in the world that people are doing to each other for me to care much about what someone chooses to do to themselves.

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[Einheri]

Originally Posted by Urine Sample

All it does is cause emotional trauma to family, freinds and the guy who has to clean up your body.

"Where were all they, including the cleaning guy, when we needed them the most" - that's what those who commited suicide would have probably said.

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[Soul Eater]

I ask where are some of your getting your information from?

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

if you want to die that badly, join the army.

Right. Because if you're in the Army you get a free death sentence since obviously according to you, that's what happens. Afterall it's not like people are in the Army alive today right? Or are they waiting to die? I should ask the father of this girl I know. Her dad went into the Army for a couple decades and is alive today.

Originally Posted by Phil

If your life sucks.......and i mean IT really sucks.......take into account that there is ALWAYS someone in this world that will take a liking to you.

Really now? The whole "special someone out there for everyone" B.S.? So what about those people who die alone? They didn't look hard enough or looked in the wrong place? What about those who have no friends? No family? You have some phrase full of lies to tell them?

Originally Posted by V1ncent

As I heard somewhere: no matter how bad the conditions are, there are people living happily in worse conditions than yours.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that! Because I know for a fact that YOU, V1ncent, if your entire family was raped and killed in front of you and their killer got off free that you'll stand tall with a smile on your face, not shed a tear and with your chin high to the sky recite: "As bad as I have it there's someone else out there who has it worse than me."

Here's what it is: If you're not in the situation yourself you have no idea what you're talking about. AT ALL. It's really easy to speak words when it's not you. If you know someone who can't walk you know what struggles they go through? Can you relate? Can you understand their anger? Their frustration? Will you actually tell them "Hey, as bad as you have it someone else has it worse." Or how about "There are people out there that'll like you for you." No don't try to help them. Feed them you little phrases.

If any of you here has some kind of hardship(disease, handicap, birth issue) who do you know that hasn't go through anything close to what you've been through can relate? Do they understand?

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Killing yourself only proves your enemies were stronger than you, by living, you show strength, that no matter how evil, cruel, or dark this world may be, that it will not destroy you without a fight.

I believe what comes around goes around, that those who do evil in this world will receive it at some point, it may not be in this world, but unless they repent, they will face justice.

I don't claim to understand how that justice works, but I believe in it.

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[Phil]

What i meant is think positive.

take your self down to your most visceral level......

Killing oneself??? for what reason? it hurts so much......oooo ive got to end it. friggen wimp. a lowly animal-be it frog bird insect or dog,-wont kill themselves. but yet humans will because "life" has been mean to them.

IF YOU KILL YOUR SELF TO SAVE OTHERS.....THATS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING ALTOGETHER.

BUT TO KILL YOURSELF FOR NOTHING? THEN SORRY IMO YOU ARE MOST CERTAINLY SCREWED IN THE HEAD.


WAKE UP PEOPLE.

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