Do you think suicide is right?

[snickothemule]

I agree PCXL, in some circumstances it can be considered humane, but if Joe Bloggs is dumped by his girlfriend after 2 weeks of going out and he kills himself, that is just ridiculous.

__________________

The ngemu Ghetto Art competition 2009 - now with real prizes!

[mudlord]

Suicide = murder = crime = sin

if you think your life is hard now, just wait till you end up in eternal damnation.

Sorry, eternal damnation is the exact same hellhole we live in now.
So suicide does seem like a appealing option.

[PCXL-Fan]

Another situation when I understand suicide.

Newbord David Reimer's penis was damaged in a botch circumsion. A gender identity expert Dr. John Money suggested an experimental gender change operation. They completely removed David's testicles and penis and started pumping him full of estrogen. They also tried teaching him to wear dresses and become a girl. But he never accepted it and always saw himself as a boy. Eventually in adulthood he committed suicide. The experiemental treatment had been performed on a number of other subjects and most of them too commited suicide.


(if embedded video link doesn't work click on this link)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pZNjX5j6dNQ

__________________

Try @ES the ultimate emulator frontend and all in one media player

Originally Posted by Exodus

Yes, I like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music and download video game music. Yes, I know... I've changed.

gamersat678's Bug Reporter ||| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs ||| GSdx plugin ||| DirectX End-User Runtime Web Installer

---

Last edited by PCXL-Fan; August 26th, 2008 at 01:21..

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

Another situation when I understand suicide.

Newbord David Reimer's penis was damaged in a botch circumsion. A gender identity expert Dr. John Money suggested an experimental gender change operation. They completely removed David's testicles and penis and started pumping him full of estrogen. They also tried teaching him to wear dresses and become a girl. But he never accepted it and always saw himself as a boy. Eventually in adulthood he committed suicide. The experiemental treatment had been performed on a number of other subjects and most of them too commited suicide.

That's like making a mistake and running with it. Science (and parents) sure can be cruel sometimes.

__________________
No, I don't like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music or download video game music. Yes, I know, I'm weird.

[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by Exodus

That's like making a mistake and running with it. Science (and parents) sure can be cruel sometimes.

did the video work for you?

Here's an interview with a ****ing smug doctor in the field of infant sex change from a number of years ago.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mnozs83MIZ4

So ****ing smug. Yet all the while he has been destroying kids. And they refuse to appologize for all the victims who commited suicide.

__________________

Try @ES the ultimate emulator frontend and all in one media player

Originally Posted by Exodus

Yes, I like anime, Street Fighter, Japanese music and download video game music. Yes, I know... I've changed.

gamersat678's Bug Reporter ||| cottonvibe's pcsx2 guide for noobs ||| GSdx plugin ||| DirectX End-User Runtime Web Installer

[Kazuya Mishima]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

XD seems I have caused a bit of a missunderstanding...that's not what I meant.

No if you commit suicide it's not life which places you in that situation that kills you, it's your own decision to step off that bridge or to take those pills, or whatever the chosen method. You were not in a life threatening situation before you made that choice.

And that is why this example is wrong, completely wrong.

It seems you too have misunderstood me.
There are 2 different things to take into account:
1.-The circumstances that lead you into suicide.
2.- The death itself.

1.- Regarding the circumstances. Neither the guy nor the mouse chose to be there.
2.- The both decide when to let go.

You state that life doesn't kill you, of course not, it merely places you in a situation that is little bearable. The rest is up to you.

And the mouse example is not wrong. Why?
Because:
1.- Soul Eater and I myself have stated it feels like the mouse when you have been there in the verge of suicide and we both know HOW it feels.

2.- You just have to substitute the stupid human putting the mouse in the bucket with life itself and all it's circumstances: it too puts you into a very dangerous place where you don't feel you can escape.

It's not another human, it's life itself. The choice to end it is both the mouse and ours.

Originally Posted by dle333

animals don't commit suicide because they are smarter and stronger than umans. scorpion's (and lemming's) suicide are only stupid legends.

And I guess your statement is made after a very careful research and scientific verification, right?

Swans have a mate for life. When it dies they commit suicide. Care to check National Geographic?

There is another small bird whose name in english I ignore that commits suicide when its mate dies. It starts flying in circles in front of another bird who's name in english I ignore too that happens to be it's natural predator.
(The first one is a red bird, any names?)

Originally Posted by dle333

only umans are so vile to commit suicide,

Nope, seriously, television is used for more than entertainment, you know? There are some educational channels.

Originally Posted by dle333

but is a good thing because humanity is a cancer

And in saying so you are part of that cancer too. Care to make your part in saving this world?

Or you are an exception and you judge sitting on a higher moral ground than the rest of humanity?

Originally Posted by dle333

is the only species tha doesn't evolve.

Damn, every museum will tell you otherwise. Care to listen to science class?

Originally Posted by dle333

sadly there aren't enough suicides. more suicides for a better world.

As I said, you are part of that cancer too, you are human too. Care to make this a better world?

__________________


Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

---

Last edited by Kazuya Mishima; August 26th, 2008 at 05:18..

[V1ncent]

Originally Posted by Kazuya Mishima

You phail Schumi
Suicide it's not a crime in any country in the world unless coerced by someobody else.

In India its a crime to kill yourself. No matter coerced or not.

Originally posted by wikipedia
In India, attempted suicide is a punishable crime by up to one year in prison and/or fine.

Legal views of suicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Kazuya Mishima]

Damn, I phail
Even so, it was in the Constitution but it was made valid until recently, it seems.
And take into account that the crime is "Attempted Suicide" which means that if you succeed... there is no punishment to any of your family members... and they can't punish you either

__________________


Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

[Zappatista]

It seems that suicide's been raising since people began to think more about themselves than society in general. When everyone starts thinking that all that matters is pleasing yourself, and **** the rest if needed, people start to get lonely and have no one to trust, and act selfishily. Like killing him/herself when the loved one doesn't want them anymore. Instead of going on, they act like a spoiled brat and do it just to get the attention of their object of desire.

And it makes easier for them to do this when they perceive that, in the world we're living in, they're useless. Western societies are becoming increasingly unhuman, leading to our environmental catastrophes, wars, urban violence, broken relationships and suicides. Humanity must change its way of thinking, quickly.

[Demi Fiend]

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Suicide is a sign of depression and despair. No matter how weak or coward someone is the instinct of survival is still there. When a man believes that things can't get better no matter what he does (sometimes this is true unfortunately) then suicide seems like the only way to "free" himself.
Keep in mind that everything is relative and what looks like a desperate situation to someone might be everyday life for someone else due to differences on their social, economical and generally their living ways. The world is different inside everyone's mind.

Couldn't be put in a better way. I completely agree with you. And I have something else to say... There's no point discussing if it's right or wrong.
We are not inside a suicidal person's mind. Maybe in their minds, bearing with their own reality is a great torture.

If our daily life inside our heads was a tormented one, without a damn minute of peace, would we not choose to end it ?
I can tell for sure, a tormented mind is worse than hell itself. There's no measure to the suffering and pain a sick mind can generate.

We shouldn't be hypocrites and say it's a cowardice, not before having a good taste of hell inside our souls.

Sorry for the bad english, I tried my best

[Kazuya Mishima]

It's not just western societies. In fact, Japan is one of the countries in the world with the higher rate of suicide.

The ones that act like spoiled brats are indeed looking for attention and their original intention was not to kill themselves but rather being perceived by others. More often than not their attempts end up in killing themselves.

But then, to label everyone who commits suicide as an attention whore is naive. There are toher causes too.

__________________


Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

---

Last edited by Kazuya Mishima; August 26th, 2008 at 10:50..

[Urine Sample]

Unless you die from suicide you are an attention seeker

[Kazuya Mishima]

But not all the ones who die from suicide are attention seekers

__________________


Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

[Cross]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

Another situation when I understand suicide.

Newbord David Reimer's penis was damaged in a botch circumsion. A gender identity expert Dr. John Money suggested an experimental gender change operation. They completely removed David's testicles and penis and started pumping him full of estrogen. They also tried teaching him to wear dresses and become a girl. But he never accepted it and always saw himself as a boy. Eventually in adulthood he committed suicide. The experiemental treatment had been performed on a number of other subjects and most of them too commited suicide.


(if embedded video link doesn't work click on this link)
YouTube - Botched Circumcision - David Reimer 1965-2004

Damn, that was really messed up.

As if "accidentally" removing your penis was not depressing enough, you soon learn after that your parents forced you to live a totally different life.

Life for him must be really ****ed up. I feel sorry for him.
This is why we should never allow circumcision at birth. Everyone should be given the opportunity to choose, wait for him to grow up and decide for himself. Like Religion. oh, wait.

[NexXxus]

suicide = senseless, thats what i say

__________________

My System: C2D E6700 @3.4ghz | Asus P5W DH Deluxe | 4GB DDR2 800 | eVGA Geforce GTX 260 55nm SC-Edition
Tutorial: Hardware Antialiasing in PCSX2 (DX9 only)

[Proto]

Hence I question you, what sense does life has by itself?

__________________

[Linktothepast]

Originally Posted by NexXxus

suicide = senseless, thats what i say

I agree. After all we are all going to die at a point, whether we like it or not, so what's the rush? I can understand euthanasia at times, like when a person suffers a lot, but suicide for petty emotional reasons, like i broke up with my girlfriend / wife, or my work isn't going well, etc... meh...

__________________

System Specifications: Athlon64 3200+ @ 2,12 ghz, 1GB DDR RAM, 9600GT 512MB, 200+250 GB HD, Windows xp sp3

[Proto]

suicide = senseless, thats what i say
I agree. After all we are all going to die at a point, whether we like it or not, so what's the rush?

You understand that the argument works both ways right? If we are going to die anyway, why wait for it to be decided by random events when I can decide it myself?

__________________

[ozzgx4]

Yeah that's a good point

__________________

Originally Posted by snickothemule

Q:What is the meaning of life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Proto

You understand that the argument works both ways right? If we are going to die anyway, why wait for it to be decided by random events when I can decide it myself?

Maybe because you always have the option when to die, but not when to live. You'll most likely think twice before you unexist yourself unless you have a very strong reason to do so.

__________________
My Filipino Online Journal: http://jesto.tabulas.com/