This is the reason i want to be rich

[Cheesus]

Originally Posted by Hard core Rikki

Rich => support a number of emulation projects (and a local charity, such as an orphanage). Being well-off does not mean you should be an insolent jerk to the rest of the society.

Anyone filthy rich and caring only for themselves is not worthy of respect.

Use that line when you try for Miss World.

Actually, I disagree with you completely. If whoever it is manages to get rich on their own esteem, and genuine hard work, deserves to burn their money anyway they like. If having 600hp of pure adrenaline in a garage is what tickles the biscuits, then why not??

Its a liberalist society, and I'm all for it. Freedom over equality, and that's just the way I love it .

Originally Posted by DCollins

What's stopping them from walking out and making a better life for themselves? Their own lack of will power.

I couldn't have said it better.

[hanibal81]

Originally Posted by Dcollins85

Money makes the world go round. What's the point of sitting in a hut with my family and daily bread doing nothing but working to make more bread.... I'm sorry, but I'd rather have my money and cars. Who says there's anything wrong with being materialistic? I say nothing. Enjoying the pleasures of life isn't a bad thing. And as far as misfortunate people in other countries go.. What's stopping them from walking out and making a better life for themselves? Their own lack of will power.

mmm,,,at least understand a woman's toughts

[Dcollins85]

Originally Posted by hanibal81

mmm,,,at least understand a woman's toughts

The money I have to buy her a nice kitchen and a Muscle Car to drive her to the grocery store will put plenty of warm thoughts into her head.

[Phil]

Theres nothing like starting a V8 with solid lifters up in the morning. its enough to brighten anyones day.

[Grv]

I suppose I missed doing this in english.

Originally Posted by ChankastRules

Yeah, I know someone would think they are much happier, with a car with a lot of horse power, destroying our earth. Such is the way of the capitalist world. They cannot understand someone living a simple life, getting their own daybread, and living a simple life togheter with their partner and children would be much happier. This capitalist world is sick, a lot of people I know are sad just because their favourite material thing is broken. I just say like good ridance, and they are angry.... people these days are way to focused on owning crap. The important thing for a happy life, is just to have a place to sleep, daily bread, and people whom you love and whom love you. But the people of today are just too stupid to realise that.

I find it a derogating and a most thoroughly superficial aspect of many supposed moralities (of which many classifiable as oppressions), that technologies and ideas that have helped shift normalities to new ones become equatable to being morally inferior, for even judgment and its inflicting psychology changes slightly, allowing each shift of normality. Imagine your judgment (which is quite old) being equated to inferior in a time where generations of your normality and another even older normality live side by side. Consider that the manner of judgment you apply now, would have been applied to your own. Also consider that every normality already offered such a thing as 'possessions', clearly an inherently human concept, one which Rousseau did not ponder long enough on (although I'll cut him some slack since he's not from this time or normality ). Today's materialistic obsession is just another way to achieve fulfillment in the inherently human aspect of 'possessing', with the (*) distinction of there generally being less mental clarity on necessity and in many cases more greed today due to the endless amount of consumer products and their offering of functionality. In other words, your alternative is analogical to the aspects which you'd consider distopian, for everyone who in their same rights consider yours distopian.

You call the capitalist world sick, to which I agree, as Capitalism spawned many flaws indeed, but.. according to my theory: none which you described. It spiraled society to a peak within its reach, from which it is tipping or has tipped down from, accelerating to a downfall in which capitalism will simply cease to work, unless a net is built strong enough to support society's mass, its ropes tough enough not to break by the then acquired speed it crashes down with. But that's economy. Everything you described is psychological, featuring a shifting normality much more complicated then what your and every similar judgment make it out to be, as it is entwined with ecological, cultural, technological and genetic changes, most of them autonomic and irreversible through the same utopian desires made vocal, inherent in people unhappy with their world.. like yourself, apparently. I have written a 'controversial' 46-page dutch paper on this subject that might scare some people ****less, as it effectively argues that which you just argued to be most responsible for that which you disapprove of.. but at least that is a factor infinitely easier to mold than any normality's dominant psychological needs. This is why, in addition to my previously mentioned lack of understanding, I disrespect these supposed 'moral responses'. That doesn't mean I disrespect the people voicing them, though. Besides, you yourself had earned my respect a long time ago.


So what are the implications concerning your response?

I am one of those people who revels in Capitalism, despite my understanding of its fallacies known to me. Statistically speaking, I couldn't be alone in these realizations and preferences. Is it that we are too stupid to realize what apparently works for you, but does not work for us? Is it that we cannot be as happy as you can be in our own way? Is it that we all get angry at things being broken because of some sort of materialistic obsession? How would you know? But more importantly, you and I both are not in a position to judge or condemn these aspects of any normality. And if you condemn the aspects that help "destroy our earth", be sure to condemn every preceding aspect that led up to it, including what made current-day society's benefits possible. No, give me my riches with which I could make a difference today.

As for your superior happiness.. Current knowledge points out that the neuron count in a human's neurological network define your cognitive resources, of which the more you have, the happier people can be. The neuron count shifts depending on sensory input and deep thought, and the amount of growth or loss in turn depending on age and genetic edge. Apparently, almost every dominant normality of a certain time frame and culture has had aspects evening this out (from ancient traditional Egypt, to pedophilic Greek, to capitalist West) by offering both interactive challenge (like philosophy and logic) and some form of "interactionless unchallenge" (no, that's not grammatically correct ), like lots of TV programs, but also novels, myths, religious dogma's and the act of fishing at a pond. With this, I contest your notion of the ability of being 'happier', as far as "to each his or her own" didn't already make that clear.



(*) .. but did it just bring greed and less clarity? I think not. It is but one of many aspects, of which each normality has morally good and bad ones.

[hanibal81]

What is that all about 'n' from where it used to be extracted,,,,Dont tell me you did write the whole enigma,,,I cant even read...

<<Chankastrules> you're underground!!

[Grv]

Originally Posted by hanibal81

What is that all about 'n' from where it used to be extracted,,,,Dont tell me you did write the whole enigma,,,I cant even read...

I suggest you don't look into my post history, then.

[Squall-Leonhart]

I've Decided i want 3 cars

Zonda F
Porsche 911 GT3
Nissan GTR R35

[Dcollins85]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

I've Decided i want 3 cards

Zonda F
Porsche 911 GT3
Nissan GTR R35

You know it's a Ricer when the exhaust has more Cubic Inches than the Engine!! ROFL

Originally Posted by Grv

Insert Grvs' long @$$ post here.

And for you Grv. I am reminded of these statements:

"The old appeals to racial, sexual and religious chauvinism and to rabid nationalism furber are beginning not to work. A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet."

"The whole system that we live in drills into us that we're powerless that we're weak that our society is evil ect. and so forth. It's all a big fat lie, we are powerful, beautiful and extraordinary. There is no reason why we cannot understand who we truly are, where we are going, there is no reason why the average individual cannot be fully empowered, we are incredibly powerful beings."

[Phil]

hey my 2 liter soda has more capacities then most ricers.

And GrV, my first posts were structered like yours...but the Bin and Name changed has ruined me

[ChankastRules]

I find it a derogating and a most thoroughly superficial aspect of many supposed moralities (of which many classifiable as oppressions), that technologies and ideas that have helped shift normalities to new ones become equatable to being morally inferior, for even judgment and its inflicting psychology changes slightly, allowing each shift of normality. Imagine your judgment (which is quite old) being equated to inferior in a time where generations of your normality and another even older normality live side by side. Consider that the manner of judgment you apply now, would have been applied to your own. Also consider that every normality already offered such a thing as 'possessions', clearly an inherently human concept, one which Rousseau did not ponder long enough on (although I'll cut him some slack since he's not from this time or normality ). Today's materialistic obsession is just another way to achieve fulfillment in the inherently human aspect of 'possessing', with the (*) distinction of there generally being less mental clarity on necessity and in many cases more greed today due to the endless amount of consumer products and their offering of functionality. In other words, your alternative is analogical to the aspects which you'd consider distopian, for everyone who in their same rights consider yours distopian.

You call the capitalist world sick, to which I agree, as Capitalism spawned many flaws indeed, but.. according to my theory: none which you described. It spiraled society to a peak within its reach, from which it is tipping or has tipped down from, accelerating to a downfall in which capitalism will simply cease to work, unless a net is built strong enough to support society's mass, its ropes tough enough not to break by the then acquired speed it crashes down with. But that's economy. Everything you described is psychological, featuring a shifting normality much more complicated then what your and every similar judgment make it out to be, as it is entwined with ecological, cultural, technological and genetic changes, most of them autonomic and irreversible through the same utopian desires made vocal, inherent in people unhappy with their world.. like yourself, apparently. I have written a 'controversial' 46-page dutch paper on this subject that might scare some people ****less, as it effectively argues that which you just argued to be most responsible for that which you disapprove of.. but at least that is a factor infinitely easier to mold than any normality's dominant psychological needs. This is why, in addition to my previously mentioned lack of understanding, I disrespect these supposed 'moral responses'. That doesn't mean I disrespect the people voicing them, though. Besides, you yourself had earned my respect a long time ago.


So what are the implications concerning your response?

I am one of those people who revels in Capitalism, despite my understanding of its fallacies known to me. Statistically speaking, I couldn't be alone in these realizations and preferences. Is it that we are too stupid to realize what apparently works for you, but does not work for us? Is it that we cannot be as happy as you can be in our own way? Is it that we all get angry at things being broken because of some sort of materialistic obsession? How would you know? But more importantly, you and I both are not in a position to judge or condemn these aspects of any normality. And if you condemn the aspects that help "destroy our earth", be sure to condemn every preceding aspect that led up to it, including what made current-day society's benefits possible. No, give me my riches with which I could make a difference today.

As for your superior happiness.. Current knowledge points out that the neuron count in a human's neurological network define your cognitive resources, of which the more you have, the happier people can be. The neuron count shifts depending on sensory input and deep thought, and the amount of growth or loss in turn depending on age and genetic edge. Apparently, almost every dominant normality of a certain time frame and culture has had aspects evening this out (from ancient traditional Egypt, to pedophilic Greek, to capitalist West) by offering both interactive challenge (like philosophy and logic) and some form of "interactionless unchallenge" (no, that's not grammatically correct ), like lots of TV programs, but also novels, myths, religious dogma's and the act of fishing at a pond. With this, I contest your notion of the ability of being 'happier', as far as "to each his or her own" didn't already make that clear.



(*) .. but did it just bring greed and less clarity? I think not. It is but one of many aspects, of which each normality has morally good and bad ones.

Great post I bet half of the people here didn't understand it. Yes I do in a way agree. I have used a too simple way to explain. The capitalism teaches us that material things are a way to happiness. I should not have said I would be more happy without it. Just that the ideology of that owning more makes us happier. It is what leads us to our destruction.

[Dcollins85]

Originally Posted by ChankastRules

Great post I bet half of the people here didn't understand it. Yes I do in a way agree. I have used a too simple way to explain. The capitalism teaches us that material things are a way to happiness. I should not have said I would be more happy without it. Just that the ideology of that owning more makes us happier. It is what leads us to our destruction.

Now she's calling half of you incompetent. You sure have strong beliefs agianst capitalism. Why not get rid of your computer? It's not "that" important after all, just an item.

What's so wrong with taking pride in having things you value? Even if it's unnecessary or just a luxury.

[ChankastRules]

What's so wrong with taking pride in having things you value? Even if it's unnecessary or just a luxury.

Yeah, what is happening now, the chinese is thinking in the same way, the africans will too. Even if you are not a genious you can figure out that it leads to our worlds destruction. What everyone have to do is to think the opposite, I do not need that crap, I can get a long fine anyway.

Why not get rid of your computer?

My work is computer based, I need it to survive. I am talking about things THAT you don't need.

[Dcollins85]

Originally Posted by ChankastRules

Yeah, what is happening now, the chinese is thinking in the same way, the africans will too. Even if you are not a genious you can figure out that it leads to our worlds destruction. What everyone have to do is to think the opposite, I do not need that crap, I can get a long fine anyway.


My work is computer based, I need it to survive. I am talking about things THAT you don't need.

My fiance is Chinese, she has many nice things. She likes to have alot of clothes, make up, etc.. I'm sorry, I guess I am not a genius since I don't grasp how the masses owning nice things is world destruction, or armageddon. Wouldn't everyone owning nice things be a good thing? Isn't that making everyone happier to have nice things?

You don't need your computer to survive. You just think you do. Learn to live off the land, kill animals with a bow & arrow you made out of wood on the ground. Cook the animals with a fire you made by rubbing sticks togheter. You only have your Video Game Design job that requires your computer so you can afford whatever it is the paychecks you get buys you. You should take a Survival Summer course. I had to do it in Boy Scouts for 3 months. We went up to Canada and lived off of nothing but the land. Granite it was me and 7 others and our scout master, but we did everything from tracking game to cooking the fish we caught with fishing poles we made ourselves. It was alot of fun. I know that I would be fine in the wilderness. Would you?

[ChankastRules]

My fiance is Chinese, she has many nice things. She likes to have alot of clothes, make up, etc.. I'm sorry, I guess I am not a genius since I don't grasp how the masses owning nice things is world destruction, or armageddon. Wouldn't everyone owning nice things be a good thing? Isn't that making everyone happier to have nice things?

You don't need your computer to survive. You just think you do. Learn to live off the land, kill animals with a bow & arrow you made out of wood on the ground. Cook the animals with a fire you made by rubbing sticks togheter. You only have your Video Game Design job that requires your computer so you can afford whatever it is the paychecks you get buys you. You should take a Survival Summer course. I had to do it in Boy Scouts for 3 months. We went up to Canada and lived off of nothing but the land. Granite it was me and 7 others and our scout master, but we did everything from tracking game to cooking the fish we caught with fishing poles we made ourselves. It was alot of fun. I know that I would be fine in the wilderness. Would you?

The earth has a limited amount of resources, there is not enough for 4 billion people, if each had a car, the earth would be destroyed very quickly. We wouldn't even have a forest left if they all used toilet paper. You just show how ignorant you are by your writings. We also couldn't all live only of what the earth gives us, since the earth is heavily over-populated now, we need to massproduce food in order to survive.

[hanibal81]

Originally Posted by ChankastRules

The earth has a limited amount of resources, there is not enough for 4 billion people, if each had a car, the earth would be destroyed very quickly. We wouldn't even have a forest left if they all used toilet paper. You just show how ignorant you are by your writings. We also couldn't all live only of what the earth gives us, since the earth is heavily over-populated now, we need to massproduce food in order to survive.

in order to survive...Whooooooo, 3000pts to Chankastrules!!

[Dcollins85]

Originally Posted by ChankastRules

The earth has a limited amount of resources, there is not enough for 4 billion people, if each had a car, the earth would be destroyed very quickly. We wouldn't even have a forest left if they all used toilet paper. You just show how ignorant you are by your writings. We also couldn't all live only of what the earth gives us, since the earth is heavily over-populated now, we need to massproduce food in order to survive.

Here's a piece of work being done, it's a car that produces air instead of harmful exhaust.. and even runs on compressed air. Granite it's still in it's infancy, it's just one example of how cars are becoming safer for the enviroment.

Air Car - First Air-Powered Car - Zero Emissions - Behind the Tech - Popular Mechanics

As far as food goes, I believe you know all about rice. But here's another method that is in the works. Mass produced organic food.

Mass Produced Organic Food - Is it Better? | Really Natural - ReallyNatural.com

And as far as land goes... I can't find the article off hand, but there is a movement going on about making land mass out of garbage, it's a lengthy process but it's possible. As soon as I find the article I'll post it for your viewing pleasure. Also, the Japanese ( who live in VERY limited space ) have also been working in making more land available for them to live on.

And I'm not ignorant. I just don't give a flying F about starving people in third world countries. That's their problem. ^^

And on another note, human beings have a way of always finding some way to "adapt". It's what humans are best at. Another thing, war kills a lot of people. Just in the vietnam war alone some 3 mill+ people were killed. Look at this "War on Terrorism" America is currently in. You think it's going to end anytime soon? No. It's going to drag out for as long as it possibly can. Killing as many people as possible. All to fuel Arms dealers and the Federal Reserves pockets.

One other thing, do you really think that this world is going to just stop being capitalist? No. I'm ignorant? No, you're just behind the times. While your anit-capitalist ideals are noble and I applaud you for holding onto them so strongly. Your ideals are doomed to failure. Big business and the rich aren't going to just cast aside their income, money, or possessions. Keep preaching your anit-capitalist ways, for soon they will fall upon deaf ears.