Naomi .. or not ? - Page 3

icronnya · January 26th, 2008

there are 2 other games dumped as far as I know.
Sega Marine Fishing and Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai 3.

A NAOMI cart has an EPROM and some surface mounted roms.
There are also Namco carts without EPROM.
You can see one above the romlist (171-7978B)

NexXxus · January 26th, 2008

oh wow, thats the first time i heard that there is a arcade station with dreamcast hardware

keep it up!

Bob Sakamanno · January 27th, 2008

Man, i have to post again!

Many, many guys of other forums i use are very happy with this news.

Keep up the good work talented Raziel!!!

PsyMan · January 27th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by icronnya

there are 2 other games dumped as far as I know.
Sega Marine Fishing and Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai 3.

A NAOMI cart has an EPROM and some surface mounted roms.
There are also Namco carts without EPROM.
You can see one above the romlist (171-7978B)

I would not trust current NAOMI dumps. There is a 101% possibility that some of them are bad.

SHADOVV · January 28th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by PsyMan

I would not trust current NAOMI dumps. There is a 101% possibility that some of them are bad.

Just remember people, there is still alot to be done before it goes any further then this!
Raziel has done a great job getting this far but it will take some extra special work to get further into Naomi Emulation!
Having said that good luck to Raziel in getting the extra work done that is required!
And take your own time to do it!

Shiro_Yamada · January 28th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

<update #5>
Fixed some bugs here and there and got vs2_2ka into working with sound

Amazing news! great advance in sound. that might the next release of nullDC gona be whit a lot of improvements!.

PD:that's w.i.p. apear in some news emulation pages.

sorry for my english...

RockmanForte · January 28th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiro_Yamada

Amazing news! great advance in sound. that might the next release of nullDC gona be whit a lot of improvements!.

PD:that's w.i.p. apear in some news emulation pages.

sorry for my english...

Maybe it will add to Mame as well. I can't wait.

SHADOVV · January 28th, 2008

It was brought up when HAZE was working on CPS3.
He said at the time that cause of the way Mames core is designed no Naomi games would ever run full speed.

RockmanForte · January 28th, 2008

Do you think so ? Maybe he change his mind because of this.

SHADOVV · January 29th, 2008

Apparently it has nothing to do if he wants it to or not, Apparently it has something to do with the core of the mame engine, not what he or anyone else at mame want to do
At the time he used Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting as an example of another game affected by the way the core of mame works.
If you haven't ever played that in mame it runs way too fast and it is something they are not willing to fix
Naomi games will have a similar fate in mame only they will run to slow to be enjoyable

Hard core Rikki · February 12th, 2008

status update ?

funkycatspangky · February 14th, 2008

o o o o ...

capcom vs snk 2 would be so sweet ... ~~~

isamu · February 15th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

Uhm, that info is slightly missleading, there was no cracking (or hacking) of the bios at all, i just had to edit some (small) parts of the existing code to get it running (and as i said before, nullDC isnt the first emulator to do this, chankast had done it quite a bit ago too).Before any games start to run they have to be dumped, and i need to find a dimm/gdrom board (and/or information about it) for gdrom emulation.Also, someone must translate the JVS documentation from jap so i can properly implement input ( http://www.jamma.or.jp/siryou/siryou02/JVST_VER3.pdf if anyone is interested )

Anyway, i edited the first post with a vid from vs2 2k

Raz, you are doing a great service for the emu community. Thank you so much for working hard for those of us into the emu scene. You, as well as ElSemi, are two guys I have the highest respect for in this industry. You are the guys making significant strides that no one else is doing. Thanks again bro.

Just got a quick question....should you manage to get close to pulling this off, what are the chances you can implement force feedback for Naomi racing games such as Ferrari F355, Initial D, Crazy Taxi, F1, etc into the emu?

**drkIIRaziel** · February 15th, 2008

I have absolutely no idea

isamu · February 15th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

I have absolutely no idea

Heh, OK no problem man. Well I can only hope you can look into it once you make more progress with it.

Oh yeah by the way....I just discovered there is a Naomi 2 as well. I know this may be a silly question but if you get Naomi games running, does this mean you can get Naomi 2 games running as well? Or would that require too much processing power?

isamu · February 17th, 2008

With the excellent talent of Raz, I predict he will get naomi games running at full speed way before anyone emulates Model 3

I brought this up at mame.net and it seems no one there gives a crap about model 3 anymore. I hate to say this, but I have had this ominous feeling for years, that Model 3 will remain one of those arcade boards that will never ever get emulated at full speed. Ville apparently has a prototype of SuperModel and says Daytona 2 and Super GT are both running full speed with no sound. He told me in a PM like two years ago that he will probably never finish it and may just give up. Well, that now appears to be the case, and I've heard he's suffering from a severe case of WoW addiction now.

Oh well, we can only hope that one of these days, either El Semi or drkRaziel will tackle the challenge of emulating this elusive arcade board from Sega. Playing Daytona 2 and Scud Race at home appears to be something I won't experience until I get to the afterlife

chotypsx · February 18th, 2008

the guru as dumped all the gdroms of naomi/naomi2. such as virtua fighter 4(naomi2), virtua striker 3(naomi2), etc. to drkIIRaziel what is the status of the emu and the current status of the emulation of naomi2. And other question, The guru is speech of the current dump of atomiswave as soon. The posibilities of that emu run atomiswave dumps is good?. Thank for you time.

**drkIIRaziel** · February 18th, 2008

As i have no gdrom board to do testing gdroms are not very useful atm.Naomi2 emulation is the same as 1, and that is just a base dc with extra ram.Atomiswave bios runs, i have no idea about the protections at it or how the hardware works.

RockmanForte · February 21st, 2008

Google

Samuele Zannoli is at it again.

thepunisher · February 21st, 2008

i remember last year on haze's website regarding naomi. he said mame could emulate it, but the speed will be around 1-3 fps average.

im guessing this is because mame's goal is to document the entire hardware, not make it run at an enjoyable framerate. for example, mame .117 added the cps3 cd-check. for the gamer, its annoying and adds a 100meg file to nvram. gameplay wise, it doesnt do anything, but its "accurate" emulation.

so even if samuele zannoli, belmont, and the rest of mamedev documents naomi, i think its safe to assume it wont even be playable for now. maybe intel's double quad-core platform will remedy this problem.

i only wish mamedev could release two versions of mame: the current version and an ultrahle-inspired version that allows hacks and whatnot.

January 26th, 2008	#42 (permalink)
NexXxus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 2,782	oh wow, thats the first time i heard that there is a arcade station with dreamcast hardware keep it up! __________________ My System: C2D E6700 @2.67GHz \| Asus P5W DH Deluxe \| 2 GB DDR2 800 \| GeForce 8800GT Extreme My FFXII GSdx9 Highres Screenshot Gallery (link fixed!) \| mixed pcsx2 screenshots Get the latest GSdx here and ZeroGS here If you search for pcsx2 betas, look here (but no support in the forums for it!)

January 28th, 2008	#48 (permalink)
SHADOVV @ES Co-Developer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane-Australia Posts: Mail You Dummy _______________________ Posts: 236	It was brought up when HAZE was working on CPS3. He said at the time that cause of the way Mames core is designed no Naomi games would ever run full speed. __________________ PC Spec ASUS M2A-VM Integrated Graphics Motherboard ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 AMD Athlon 64x2 6000+ 2GB DDR2 667mhz Ram 250GB Seagate HDD ide + 160GB Seagate HDD ide 2x sata DVD RW Drives ASUS VW192 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor WINDOWS VISTA ULTIMATE SP1 Try @ES it will change the way you emulate games!!! Please go here for @ES Bug reporting or Set-up Support!

January 28th, 2008	#49 (permalink)
RockmanForte Rockman fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth! Posts: 3,105	Do you think so ? Maybe he change his mind because of this. __________________

January 29th, 2008	#50 (permalink)
SHADOVV @ES Co-Developer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane-Australia Posts: Mail You Dummy _______________________ Posts: 236	Apparently it has nothing to do if he wants it to or not, Apparently it has something to do with the core of the mame engine, not what he or anyone else at mame want to do At the time he used Street Fighter 2 Hyper Fighting as an example of another game affected by the way the core of mame works. If you haven't ever played that in mame it runs way too fast and it is something they are not willing to fix Naomi games will have a similar fate in mame only they will run to slow to be enjoyable __________________ PC Spec ASUS M2A-VM Integrated Graphics Motherboard ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 AMD Athlon 64x2 6000+ 2GB DDR2 667mhz Ram 250GB Seagate HDD ide + 160GB Seagate HDD ide 2x sata DVD RW Drives ASUS VW192 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor WINDOWS VISTA ULTIMATE SP1 Try @ES it will change the way you emulate games!!! Please go here for @ES Bug reporting or Set-up Support!

February 12th, 2008	#51 (permalink)
Hard core Rikki JUMPIN' UP THE NATIONS Join Date: May 2004 Location: Perpetual Hawaii Posts: 4,321	status update ? __________________ < My deviantART \| GENERALEMU \| Webcomics VBA-M \| @ES May the fleas of 1000 camels infest the crotches of BIOS swappers! And may their arms be too short to scratch!

January 26th, 2008	#41 (permalink)
icronnya Emulation-Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 3	there are 2 other games dumped as far as I know. Sega Marine Fishing and Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai 3. A NAOMI cart has an EPROM and some surface mounted roms. There are also Namco carts without EPROM. You can see one above the romlist (171-7978B)

January 27th, 2008	#43 (permalink)
Bob Sakamanno Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 10	Man, i have to post again! Many, many guys of other forums i use are very happy with this news. Keep up the good work talented Raziel!!!

February 14th, 2008	#52 (permalink)
funkycatspangky Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 23	o o o o ... capcom vs snk 2 would be so sweet ... ~~~

February 15th, 2008	#54 (permalink)
drkIIRaziel Emu author Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Athens,Greece Posts: 451	I have absolutely no idea

February 17th, 2008	#56 (permalink)
isamu Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 73	With the excellent talent of Raz, I predict he will get naomi games running at full speed way before anyone emulates Model 3 I brought this up at mame.net and it seems no one there gives a crap about model 3 anymore. I hate to say this, but I have had this ominous feeling for years, that Model 3 will remain one of those arcade boards that will never ever get emulated at full speed. Ville apparently has a prototype of SuperModel and says Daytona 2 and Super GT are both running full speed with no sound. He told me in a PM like two years ago that he will probably never finish it and may just give up. Well, that now appears to be the case, and I've heard he's suffering from a severe case of WoW addiction now. Oh well, we can only hope that one of these days, either El Semi or drkRaziel will tackle the challenge of emulating this elusive arcade board from Sega. Playing Daytona 2 and Scud Race at home appears to be something I won't experience until I get to the afterlife __________________ I breathe, eat, drink, sleep, ****, piss and cum all things Ridge Racer!

February 18th, 2008	#57 (permalink)
chotypsx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: argentina Posts: 10	the guru as dumped all the gdroms of naomi/naomi2. such as virtua fighter 4(naomi2), virtua striker 3(naomi2), etc. to drkIIRaziel what is the status of the emu and the current status of the emulation of naomi2. And other question, The guru is speech of the current dump of atomiswave as soon. The posibilities of that emu run atomiswave dumps is good?. Thank for you time.

February 18th, 2008	#58 (permalink)
drkIIRaziel Emu author Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Athens,Greece Posts: 451	As i have no gdrom board to do testing gdroms are not very useful atm.Naomi2 emulation is the same as 1, and that is just a base dc with extra ram.Atomiswave bios runs, i have no idea about the protections at it or how the hardware works.

February 21st, 2008	#59 (permalink)
RockmanForte Rockman fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth! Posts: 3,105	Google Samuele Zannoli is at it again. __________________

February 21st, 2008	#60 (permalink)
thepunisher Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mars Posts: 7	i remember last year on haze's website regarding naomi. he said mame could emulate it, but the speed will be around 1-3 fps average. im guessing this is because mame's goal is to document the entire hardware, not make it run at an enjoyable framerate. for example, mame .117 added the cps3 cd-check. for the gamer, its annoying and adds a 100meg file to nvram. gameplay wise, it doesnt do anything, but its "accurate" emulation. so even if samuele zannoli, belmont, and the rest of mamedev documents naomi, i think its safe to assume it wont even be playable for now. maybe intel's double quad-core platform will remedy this problem. i only wish mamedev could release two versions of mame: the current version and an ultrahle-inspired version that allows hacks and whatnot.

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