The new release: A step back in a couple of things

[rod_audioslave]

Did anybody have some crashes with NullPVR EVEN downloading the latest version of DirectX? Keep reading then....

OK. We all are very excited about this new release and all.... like 9 months of waiting, and finally it is here.
The main problem that i have with the previous release, is that it didnt supported my intel IGP. Yeah yeah yeah, i know intel sucks, blah blah blah, but is a laptop! i cant do crap, im stuck with this igp.

So, i send a message to raziel some months ago, asking him that if there could be a chance to fix this, and he says:

Yes, next version will include a fix for that problem.

Yeah! I was very glad to read that. And I've been waiting since then. Cause its pretty reasonable that im asking for some support for a 2005 videocard emulating a 1998 piece of hardware.

The thing is, that i downloaded this new version, and for all Intel users here, it sucks. Why? Because this new version has some problems with shaders. It is not my DirectX because is completely up to date. So, i tried with chankast plugin, but it is worse.

Then, there is no gamepad support...

Anyway, i will leave here some usseful tips for the new nulldc_103 users:


1.- Even installing the latest directx version, my Nulldc crashes when i try to load a game with NullPVR video plugin.
This is because there is a problem with Pixel Shaders. Probably you have a crappy Intel IGP or something. You can fix this if you have a powerfull CPU that can emulate it. To do so, just download 3DAnalyze (3dfxzone.it - Tools Channel -> 3D-Analyze). Then, open the program, press "Select", select the nulldc exe, then click on "Emulate Pixel Shader Caps", and finally "RUN".

2.- I cant play with a gamepad now!!
This is because, for the moment, nobody can with this new version. You can download a VERY usseful tool called "Pinnacle Game Profiler" (Add gamepad / joystick support to any game - Pinnacle Game Profiler), that will help you not just with nulldc, but with EVERY game that lacks gamepad support.

3.- The console window is anoying, can i remove it with this new version?
Yeah!... Just open nullDC.cfg with notepad, and change the line "Emulator.NoConsole=0" to "Emulator.NoConsole=1". Also, if you want to load the game right away when you open the emulator, just change the line "Emulator.AutoStart=0" to "Emulator.AutoStart=1".


That's all. Congratulations to all nvidia and ati users that can enjoy this new release. Soon i will buy a new desktop and i will too. And of course, congratulations to the nulld team, because i know that you want the best for us, the nulldc users..... cause i know, the IGP and Intel people are just a minority, and you have to think of the future. Is just that im pretty disapointed, but then again, im just a minority.

Cheers.

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Last edited by rod_audioslave; August 21st, 2008 at 16:04.. Reason: TNL was not the problem... is something to do with Pixel Shaders

[drkIIRaziel]

Yeah, this release is a bit rushed up.In fact, its a lot rushed up.Still, better than waiting til the next vacation period to release isnt it ?

I didnt know of the maple problem til a few hours before the release ( i only use the keyboard ;p ).The plan is to get some fixes (like the 3d/fixed function problem that i wasnt aware of), joystick support and release an updated version before my exams start (= before sept. 1st).

I mainly test on my pc ( core2duo 6600, GF 8600 GTS), and psyman tests on his laptop (some crappy pentium-m proc, ati x600 gfx).All the other configurations (such intel IGPs, fixed function cards, vista pcs etc) are supported by 'guessing'.

How do you get drkpvr to crash anyway ? i was *sure* i detect lack of h/w shaders by now :/

[drkmasked]

Getting a error with 3DAnalyze saying "Error while injecting dll into target process".

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[PsyMan]

Bah, people always complain. First they demand a release, then they get a release and complain, despite our warnings of how broken this release might end up. I just lub you guys <3

Originally Posted by rod_audioslave

3.- The console window is anoying, can i remove it with this new version?

Yeah, yeah, that's in the readME... along with other various tips. Some useful, some not... If you can get the emu to run that is. You can always get a cheap shader model 4 capable video card for about 50 euros or so and be happy. Or even donate a test system to drk||raziel... I doubt most of you will though.

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[rod_audioslave]

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

Yeah, this release is a bit rushed up.In fact, its a lot rushed up.Still, better than waiting til the next vacation period to release isnt it ?

I didnt know of the maple problem til a few hours before the release ( i only use the keyboard ;p ).The plan is to get some fixes (like the 3d/fixed function problem that i wasnt aware of), joystick support and release an updated version before my exams start (= before sept. 1st).

I mainly test on my pc ( core2duo 6600, GF 8600 GTS), and psyman tests on his laptop (some crappy pentium-m proc, ati x600 gfx).All the other configurations (such intel IGPs, fixed function cards, vista pcs etc) are supported by 'guessing'.

How do you get drkpvr to crash anyway ? i was *sure* i detect lack of h/w shaders by now :/

Is good to read that is going to be a fix for the maple issue, thanks. I hope that you can erase the TNL requeriment too.
I tried Sonic Adventure 2 (with 3DAnalyze)... it runs like crap because i dont have a very powerfull CPU that can emulate the TNL, but i was VERY glad that FINALLY Sonic Adventure 2 doesnt have those awfull lines all over the screen anymore.... that shows that you keep your word and you really fixed that problem for the intel users. Thanks for that. I just hope that TNL will be no longer a requeriment for the next release.

Originally Posted by drkmasked

Thanks for the tip but im getting a error with 3DAnalyze saying "Error while injecting dll into target process".

Did you put the 3dAnalyze files in the nulldc folder? (Because you dont have to do that)
Try this: Delete all 3DAnalyze files. Then, download a different 3DAnalyze version and unzip it on a separated folder. Then, try again. I hope it works.

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Bah, people always complain. First they demand a release, then they get a release and complain, despite our warnings of how broken this release might end up. I just lub you guys <3

Yeah, yeah, that's in the readME... along with other various tips. Some useful, some not... If you can get the emu to run that is. You can always get a cheap shader model 4 capable video card for about 50 euros or so and be happy. Or even donate a test system to drk||raziel... I doubt most of you will though.

Im not complaining, im doing some usefull criticism. You didnt knew that it was the TNL issue that was crashing the Nullpvr for intel users till you read it here, cause all you said was "Download the latest directx!". Be more humble, like raz, please.
I know the "noconsole" thing is on the readme, but the "autostart" feature is not. Im just triying to help here.
And again, it doesnt have ANYTHING to do with shader model (cause my card has it)... is TNL support.... dont be so arrogant and read carefully next time.

Cheers.

[drkIIRaziel]

TNL is not required, hardware shaders however are.If there is no hardware shader support i force software shader processing.TNL is actualy older than shaders and i never used it ;p.

*edit*

Can you post a full log from the console when pvr crashes ? hopefully that'l help me on fixing the problem

[PsyMan]

Nah, I like being arrogant. All the stuff you mentioned were not things that we were not aware of or something... so meh

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Last edited by PsyMan; August 21st, 2008 at 15:44.. Reason: typos :p

[rod_audioslave]

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

TNL is not required, hardware shaders however are.If there is no hardware shader support i force software shader processing.TNL is actualy older than shaders and i never used it ;p.

*edit*

Can you post a full log from the console when pvr crashes ? hopefully that'l help me on fixing the problem

Ok, i didnt knew that you never used TNL.... Thats very strange because emulating TNL on 3DAnalyze "fixes" the problem... but now that you mention this, i tried emulating Pixel Shader (even when i have 2.0) without emulating TNL, and it also works... :S

When i try to run a game with NullPVR, it crashes on this line of the console:

Using Pixel Shaders/ps_2_0

Which is very strange, because on the previous release it passes that line without any problem. :S

[drkIIRaziel]

TNL was hardware acceleration for the fixed function pipeline vertex calculations.This was replaced with Vertex Shaders.Propably by "Emulate HW TNL" it also means to emulate vertex shaders.

Also, full log pls

[PsyMan]

Also, naming the intel GFX chip you have would be quite helpful too

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Last edited by PsyMan; August 21st, 2008 at 15:56.. Reason: hmm

[rod_audioslave]

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

TNL was hardware acceleration for the fixed function pipeline vertex calculations.This was replaced with Vertex Shaders.Propably by "Emulate HW TNL" it also means to emulate vertex shaders.

Also, full log pls

Uh, sorry =P ... i dont know how to save the log on a txt or something.... but here is the screenshot.

And the IGP is a 945GM.

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[ESE150]

When I open the emulator, this message appears:
"Unable to load nullPVR_Win32.dll, errorlevel=-104"

Then the screen to select plugins appears, and Chankast's video is the only graphic plugin that appears. And yes, I checked the plugins folder, and nullPVR_Win32.dll isn't missing.
I didn't have this problem with the previous nullDC release. I tried replacing nullPVR_Win32.dll for previous version of the plugin (the one I which worked with the previous nullDC release) and the problem persists, so it doesn't seem like my video card is the cause of it.

[PsyMan]

Originally Posted by ESE150

When I open the emulator, this message appears:
"Unable to load nullPVR_Win32.dll, errorlevel=-104"

Then the screen to select plugins appears, and Chankast's video is the only graphic plugin that appears. And yes, I checked the plugins folder, and nullPVR_Win32.dll isn't missing.
I didn't have this problem with the previous nullDC release. I tried replacing nullPVR_Win32.dll for previous version of the plugin (the one I which worked with the previous nullDC release) and the problem persists, so it doesn't seem like my video card is the cause of it.

Yeah... well, I have a link to the latest DirectX 9c somewhere in the readme. Go get it (yeah, that's the cause of the problem so far).

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[drkIIRaziel]

It seems i detect the lack of h/w vertex properly and use Software Vertex Processing (SVP).Could be some problem when shaders and svp are combined, i'l look into it ...

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Last edited by drkIIRaziel; August 21st, 2008 at 16:19..

[ESE150]

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Yeah... well, I have a link to the latest DirectX 9c somewhere in the readme. Go get it (yeah, that's the cause of the problem so far).

Thank you, but I've already got installed the last DirectX 9c version.

[PsyMan]

Originally Posted by ESE150

Thank you, but I've already got installed the last DirectX 9c version.

Do you happen to remember when you downloaded that version? One day ago? One week ago? one year ago? It's OK if you don't remember the exact date, just try to remember how recently you got it.

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[legend100]

Raz,

18 wheeler pro trucker is definetely broken. Can you look into this? It is a MMU game so maybe something got broke with that build. With or without using Interpreter, the game crashes with an opcode error. It used to do this with beta 1.5 or below - but did boot fine on 1.6.

The rest of my collection works fine though. So this, and of course the controller thing, are the only regressions that affect me.

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[drkIIRaziel]

Hmm, the fact that the mmu build isnt realy an mmu build could be the problem .. ;p

[legend100]

I would say so, if that's the case. Good to know. Sounds like its just a matter of uploading the correct build at some point then?

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[halomasta]

Originally Posted by drkIIRaziel

Yeah, this release is a bit rushed up.In fact, its a lot rushed up.Still, better than waiting til the next vacation period to release isnt it ?

I didnt know of the maple problem til a few hours before the release ( i only use the keyboard ;p ).The plan is to get some fixes (like the 3d/fixed function problem that i wasnt aware of), joystick support and release an updated version before my exams start (= before sept. 1st).

You only use the keyboard? How do you spray graf in JGR?