Help on testing NeonDS new version

**orz** · July 3rd, 2008

Hi all:
It has been several months since the last release of NeonDS, nice to see the forum is still here

Recently I have spend some time working on develop the emulator, the good news is that I completely rewritten the 3D rendering pipeline using OpenGL Shader Language (GLSL) and the result is very well, most 3D games have better lighting calculating and texture blending results. The downside of using shader to implement 3D rendering is that different graphic card may yield different results, or even do not run at all. Currently I'm using a NVIDIA 8800 graphic card and on my system the emulator runs smoothly, super mario 64 runs at 90-100 fps, castlevania portrait of ruins runs at 60-70 fps, and so on. Before I publish the next version of the emulator, I'd like to ask for people to help me try out the emulator WIP version and let me know how it is working on their systems. So, if you are interested in help me, please send a private message to me and I'll send you a copy of the WIP version. After trying it please let me know (post in this thread is ok) your system configuration (CPU/memory/graphic card) and your test result. And also, as the test program is still a WIP version, so please do not redistribute it. Thanks!

Oh, forgot to mention in the last post, to run the GLSL, you need at least an OpenGL 2.0 compatible graphic card.

Last edited by orz; July 3rd, 2008 at 07:22. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

**Chrono Archangel** · July 3rd, 2008

hey welcome back orz!

I made a small post on the mainpage. That should get you some volunteers real quick.

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RockmanForte · July 3rd, 2008

Welcome back!

Okay, where can I post the information ? Your site or here ? I am afraid that here might trigger n00b people to ask for your WIP, you know ?

I do have OpenGL 2.0 and OpenGL 3.0, I think.

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**shashClp** · July 3rd, 2008

orz: If you don't have a separate path for fixed pipeline, make clear that it won't run on anything lower than a Geforce FX 5600 or a ATI Radeon 9500, which are the lowest cards supporting GLSL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockmanForte

(...)I do have OpenGL 2.0 and OpenGL 3.0, I think.

openGL 3.0 specification isn't even out, so I'm pretty sure you don't support it. Else, go tell the Khronos Group, they'll be happy to know :P

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RockmanForte · July 3rd, 2008

Yeah, my mistake. Mine is now OpenGl 2.0, lol. Sorry about that. :P

Edit: Orz, thanks for pming me. Gone to test it now.

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**orz** · July 3rd, 2008

shashClp:
Thank you for the clarification. Yes you are right, in this version the fixed pipeline support was dropped and I dont want to develope or maintain fixed pipeline rendering any longer.

chrono archangle and rockman forte:
Thank you for your help.

For people get the wip version, here are some games I tested when I was developing the emulator, so you maybe also interested to try them:
the two castlevania games
super mario 64 and new super mario bros
mario kart ds
viewtiful joe double trouble
final fantasy 3, final fantasy xii revenant wings, final fantasy crystal chronicles
rockman zx, rockman zx advent
pokemon diamond is NOT PLAYABLE due to wifi is not emulated.
dragon quest monsters joker

finally, still NO SOUND.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockmanForte

Yeah, my mistake. Mine is now OpenGl 2.0, lol. Sorry about that. :P

Edit: Orz, thanks for pming me. Gone to test it now.

If you are using the 8800 card from your sig and installed the lastest NVIDIA driver, you should have OpenGL 2.1

Last edited by orz; July 3rd, 2008 at 15:42. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

**shashClp** · July 3rd, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by orz

shashClp:
Thank you for the clarification. Yes you are right, in this version the fixed pipeline support was dropped and I dont want to develope or maintain fixed pipeline rendering any longer.

I understand, maintaining several render paths is painful :P Btw, I made a little mistake on minimum card requirements (I'm a bit asleep), the minimum Geforce card is a GF FX 5200, not a 5600, obviously :P

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chris-007 · July 3rd, 2008

If needed, I could test it on my aging Athlon64 2,0 GHz / Geforce 6600GT. But there are not too many games here...

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RockmanForte · July 3rd, 2008

Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow:

Everything is fine and the speed is fast, wow!!! Good job but I decide to press start button to see the menu and I got this:

And also everything is fine until you meet a girl then return and you got messed up graphic:

Then going to magic seal and got black screen:

Megaman ZX:

Everything is fine expect this video flash and glitch:

I will test more then send you through pm as you requested.

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**orz** · July 3rd, 2008

[quote=RockmanForte;1387956]Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow:

Everything is fine and the speed is fast, wow!!! Good job but I decide to press start button to see the menu and I got this:

And also everything is fine until you meet a girl then return and you got messed up graphic:

Then going to magic seal and got black screen:

I have the same problem here if you skip the dialog when you first met the girl. If you keep patient and go through the dialog, everything should be fine. I did play through the magic seal and killed the first boss. I have no problem with the start button menu, maybe it is the same cause as I mentioned above?

Thank you, rockmanforte!

Update: I just tried again on castlevania DoS. It looks like the problem comes out somehow randomly, just press start to terminate the dialog somewhere in the middle and you'll get a good game afterwards. Good lock~~

Last edited by orz; July 3rd, 2008 at 17:58. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

Tyo · July 3rd, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashClp

I understand, maintaining several render paths is painful :P Btw, I made a little mistake on minimum card requirements (I'm a bit asleep), the minimum Geforce card is a GF FX 5200, not a 5600, obviously :P

now this makes me wonder if this will work on integrated graphic card such as intel GMA 950 or X3100 on most laptop

i could help test it on my laptop, i use a core 2 duo laptop with gma 950 integrated graphic

**shashClp** · July 3rd, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyo

now this makes me wonder if this will work on integrated graphic card such as intel GMA 950 or X3100 on most laptop

i could help test it on my laptop, i use a core 2 duo laptop with gma 950 integrated graphic

intel GMA 950 is not GLSL capable. GLSL is only meant to work on real cards :P

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RockmanForte · July 3rd, 2008

[quote=orz;1387966]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockmanForte

Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow:
I have the same problem here if you skip the dialog when you first met the girl. If you keep patient and go through the dialog, everything should be fine. I did play through the magic seal and killed the first boss. I have no problem with the start button menu, maybe it is the same cause as I mentioned above?

Thank you, rockmanforte!

Update: I just tried again on castlevania DoS. It looks like the problem comes out somehow randomly, just press start to terminate the dialog somewhere in the middle and you'll get a good game afterwards. Good lock~~

Yes, you are right. Everything is good afterwards. I pm you for my more test games which you asked for PM only. Your emulator look good and much better than 0.1.1 version. Good job. By the way, check your pm as you requested.

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Last edited by RockmanForte; July 3rd, 2008 at 20:16.

Tyo · July 3rd, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashClp

intel GMA 950 is not GLSL capable. GLSL is only meant to work on real cards :P

too bad :|
i hope orz would also develop maybe D3D rendering engine too (i'm wuite sure this would work, right)
thankz for the info

**shashClp** · July 3rd, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyo

too bad :|
i hope orz would also develop maybe D3D rendering engine too (i'm wuite sure this would work, right)
thankz for the info

Nope again, GMA 950 is a bad DirectX7 class card, not even supporting hardware TnL, so any emulator using a shader based rendering system won't work there. Some games work there because game developers care to have an audience as wide as possible, and usually code several render paths, for example, one with Pixel Shaders 1, one with Pixel Shaders 2, one without Pixel Shaders: that's not usual on hobby coding, because it's pain in the a**, and because it takes a huge amount of work.

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emurex · July 4th, 2008

yes, no pixel shader please. as long as the 3d is nicely done, fps is above 50 is all that is needed.
anyway to the author and teams of neonds. thanks for all the hardwork. keep it up.

RockmanForte · July 4th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by emurex

yes, no pixel shader please. as long as the 3d is nicely done, fps is above 50 is all that is needed.
anyway to the author and teams of neonds. thanks for all the hardwork. keep it up.

Yes, the fps is above 50 so far to me.. It is not up to you to decide about pixel shader. That's his decision, ok ? If you don't like pixel shader then make your own ds emulator instead, thanks.

No, there is no teams of neonDS. Just Orz himself is an author working on this project. He is great guy!!!!

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gaijinx1 · July 4th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by orz

Hi all:
It has been several months since the last release of NeonDS, nice to see the forum is still here

Recently I have spend some time working on develop the emulator, the good news is that I completely rewritten the 3D rendering pipeline using OpenGL Shader Language (GLSL) and the result is very well, most 3D games have better lighting calculating and texture blending results. The downside of using shader to implement 3D rendering is that different graphic card may yield different results, or even do not run at all. Currently I'm using a NVIDIA 8800 graphic card and on my system the emulator runs smoothly, super mario 64 runs at 90-100 fps, castlevania portrait of ruins runs at 60-70 fps, and so on. Before I publish the next version of the emulator, I'd like to ask for people to help me try out the emulator WIP version and let me know how it is working on their systems. So, if you are interested in help me, please send a private message to me and I'll send you a copy of the WIP version. After trying it please let me know (post in this thread is ok) your system configuration (CPU/memory/graphic card) and your test result. And also, as the test program is still a WIP version, so please do not redistribute it. Thanks!

Oh, forgot to mention in the last post, to run the GLSL, you need at least an OpenGL 2.0 compatible graphic card.

Oops, I just PM'd him about the NeonDS WIP. Is that acceptable, too?

Xblade · July 4th, 2008

IS this playable on a geforce 6150le? 0_0 I googled it and got some weird statistics

EDIT: From what my eyes can gather from google. I'm guessing, no. XD ITsays it supportd shader model 3.0 but gah wheres Sash when you need him?

Last edited by Xblade; July 4th, 2008 at 11:02.

jeng28 · July 4th, 2008

umm here is some result.

Hope it helps...

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July 3rd, 2008	#1 (permalink)
orz Emu author Join Date: May 2007 Location: China Posts: 43	Help on testing NeonDS new version Hi all: It has been several months since the last release of NeonDS, nice to see the forum is still here Recently I have spend some time working on develop the emulator, the good news is that I completely rewritten the 3D rendering pipeline using OpenGL Shader Language (GLSL) and the result is very well, most 3D games have better lighting calculating and texture blending results. The downside of using shader to implement 3D rendering is that different graphic card may yield different results, or even do not run at all. Currently I'm using a NVIDIA 8800 graphic card and on my system the emulator runs smoothly, super mario 64 runs at 90-100 fps, castlevania portrait of ruins runs at 60-70 fps, and so on. Before I publish the next version of the emulator, I'd like to ask for people to help me try out the emulator WIP version and let me know how it is working on their systems. So, if you are interested in help me, please send a private message to me and I'll send you a copy of the WIP version. After trying it please let me know (post in this thread is ok) your system configuration (CPU/memory/graphic card) and your test result. And also, as the test program is still a WIP version, so please do not redistribute it. Thanks! Oh, forgot to mention in the last post, to run the GLSL, you need at least an OpenGL 2.0 compatible graphic card. Last edited by orz; July 3rd, 2008 at 07:22. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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July 3rd, 2008	#2 (permalink)
Chrono Archangel Administrator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 7,830	hey welcome back orz! I made a small post on the mainpage. That should get you some volunteers real quick. __________________ When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide.

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RockmanForte Rockman fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth! Posts: 5,090	Welcome back! Okay, where can I post the information ? Your site or here ? I am afraid that here might trigger n00b people to ask for your WIP, you know ? I do have OpenGL 2.0 and OpenGL 3.0, I think. __________________ I have: Wii: Starfall, NeoGamma r7, and currently on 3.2u PSP PHAT: 1001k [TA-081] Custom Firmware 5.50 GEN-D2(FULL) CASE: EagleTech Sidewinder Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit CPU: Intel core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB) Processor Cooling: Thermaltake V1 CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video Memory: 2048GB [1024GB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand Sound Card: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard Last edited by RockmanForte; July 3rd, 2008 at 14:57.

July 3rd, 2008	#5 (permalink)
RockmanForte Rockman fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth! Posts: 5,090	Yeah, my mistake. Mine is now OpenGl 2.0, lol. Sorry about that. :P Edit: Orz, thanks for pming me. Gone to test it now. __________________ I have: Wii: Starfall, NeoGamma r7, and currently on 3.2u PSP PHAT: 1001k [TA-081] Custom Firmware 5.50 GEN-D2(FULL) CASE: EagleTech Sidewinder Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit CPU: Intel core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB) Processor Cooling: Thermaltake V1 CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video Memory: 2048GB [1024GB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand Sound Card: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

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chris-007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: alpha centauri Posts: 91	If needed, I could test it on my aging Athlon64 2,0 GHz / Geforce 6600GT. But there are not too many games here... __________________ AMD Athlon64 (Newcastle) 2,0GHz \| ASUS K8N \| 1GB Samsung DDR400-333 \| Leadtek WinFast A6600 GT TDH

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RockmanForte Rockman fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth! Posts: 5,090	Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow: Everything is fine and the speed is fast, wow!!! Good job but I decide to press start button to see the menu and I got this: And also everything is fine until you meet a girl then return and you got messed up graphic: Then going to magic seal and got black screen: Megaman ZX: Everything is fine expect this video flash and glitch: I will test more then send you through pm as you requested. __________________ I have: Wii: Starfall, NeoGamma r7, and currently on 3.2u PSP PHAT: 1001k [TA-081] Custom Firmware 5.50 GEN-D2(FULL) CASE: EagleTech Sidewinder Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit CPU: Intel core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB) Processor Cooling: Thermaltake V1 CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video Memory: 2048GB [1024GB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand Sound Card: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

July 3rd, 2008	#10 (permalink)
orz Emu author Join Date: May 2007 Location: China Posts: 43	[quote=RockmanForte;1387956]Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow: Everything is fine and the speed is fast, wow!!! Good job but I decide to press start button to see the menu and I got this: And also everything is fine until you meet a girl then return and you got messed up graphic: Then going to magic seal and got black screen: I have the same problem here if you skip the dialog when you first met the girl. If you keep patient and go through the dialog, everything should be fine. I did play through the magic seal and killed the first boss. I have no problem with the start button menu, maybe it is the same cause as I mentioned above? Thank you, rockmanforte! Update: I just tried again on castlevania DoS. It looks like the problem comes out somehow randomly, just press start to terminate the dialog somewhere in the middle and you'll get a good game afterwards. Good lock~~ Last edited by orz; July 3rd, 2008 at 17:58. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

July 4th, 2008	#16 (permalink)
emurex Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Malaysia Posts: 148	yes, no pixel shader please. as long as the 3d is nicely done, fps is above 50 is all that is needed. anyway to the author and teams of neonds. thanks for all the hardwork. keep it up.

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Xblade Lego My Ego Join Date: May 2008 Location: St.Croix Posts: 1,814	IS this playable on a geforce 6150le? 0_0 I googled it and got some weird statistics EDIT: From what my eyes can gather from google. I'm guessing, no. XD ITsays it supportd shader model 3.0 but gah wheres Sash when you need him? Last edited by Xblade; July 4th, 2008 at 11:02.